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I SoStoned
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.12.13 13:07:00 -
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To all of you new, old, and future delegates:
If you do not wish us, the players, to voice our opinions in all ways we possibly can (here, other subforums, and using the in-game mail) then you should increase your CSPA charge, or simply tell us to shut up because you don't honestly give a damn about any matters save your own personal issues.
If you don't increase, or even set, your CSPA charges to make people mailing you in-game costly then you should not argue when players communicate with you by that avenue.
You are the CSM, you've put yourself forward for the position, so don't bitch when people send you in-game mail.
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alt 12345
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Posted - 2009.12.13 13:38:00 -
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2009.12.13 13:42:00 -
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Oh, you must be the guy who forwarded one particular proposal of his to the entire CSM by means of a mass mail.
fyi - I told you not to do that again not because I don't care, but because having your inbox spammed silly by people who think they have the greatest idea since sliced bread is FKING ANNOYING
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Helen Highwater
Gallente
Ultrapolite Socialites
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.12.13 14:00:00 -
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 Originally by: I SoStoned
you should increase your CSPA charge, or simply tell us to shut up because you don't honestly give a damn about any matters save your own personal issues.
That's a nice false dichotomy you've got there.
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Alpha195
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Posted - 2009.12.13 15:25:00 -
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In game Channel: CSM Public
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Maxsim Goratiev
Gallente
Imperium Technologies
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Posted - 2009.12.13 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Alpha195
In game Channel: CSM Public
Exactly!
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ElvenLord
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Posted - 2009.12.13 19:22:00 -
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All of CSM members read Assmbly Hall threads on a regular basis. We even discuss most of them and we also raise issues together. Appart from that, as mentioned above, there is in game chat channel called "CSM public". |
Empire Dweller
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.12.13 21:41:00 -
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Im not sure which i find funnier..
that the OP thinks csm members care
or that the OP thinks the csm members do anything
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Bunyip
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.12.14 04:55:00 -
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While I agree that CSM members should set their CSPA charge to 0, this is by no means required. The job of a delegate is both an ambassador, a liaison and an idea filter; and therefore I think communication with the delegates is essential.
That being said, as a democratic process, you elect the officials with the attitudes and morals which best align with yours, and thus you get what you got. Here in America, that principle is proven every election, just as with the CSM.
And to the last poster, the CSM does indeed have some power, but people must see us as commanding the very attention of every CCP employee or something. We do filter, and we can have say in some limited circumstances as to which options do become available or not (a la Skill Queue), but we are only liaisons and filters, and thus our power is as limited as any other ambassador here in the RL.
TL;DR: Rock the vote and elect those which represent you.
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Helen Highwater
Gallente
Ultrapolite Socialites
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.12.14 10:35:00 -
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Originally by: Bunyip
While I agree that CSM members should set their CSPA charge to 0, this is by no means required.
That wasn't his point. The OP was suggesting that any CSM delegate who didn't have his CSPA charge set to an unreasonable level was implicitly agreeing to be spammed by people who are too special to use any of the normal channels such as this forum, the CSM public channel etc.
Further, he suggested that having no CSPA charge and not agreeing to be spammed by said special snowflakes clearly means that the delegate in question has no interest in communicating with the rest of the playerbase.
It shouldn't be necessary to point out the failure of logic in either of those positions.
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TeaDaze
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Posted - 2009.12.14 12:15:00 -
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I don't like the idea of people attempting to raise ideas directly instead of using the Assembly Forum. The CSM process needs to be transparent so people can see what is being raised and by which players etc. Suggesting things directly to avoid putting your name to a proposal makes people suspect that there are shady deals going on behind the scenes.
That said at least one of the mass-mails was to attempt to gain support for an already raised proposal thread and not having access to my ingame mail right this second I can't check who sent that one.
I would also suggest that this type of thread be put in the Jita park speakers forum.
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2009.12.14 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: TeaDaze
That said at least one of the mass-mails was to attempt to gain support for an already raised proposal thread and not having access to my ingame mail right this second I can't check who sent that one.
It was a friend of the OP.
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