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Ol'summer bedLinen Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2009.12.14 06:41:00 - [31] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Ol'summer bedLinen I suppose Garst was trying to correct it in Otelen. Looked to me like he was mostly bleating for remote rep That's what he wants you to think. It's part of our grand scheme. ---- "There will be neither compassion nor mercy; Nor peace, nor solace For those who bear witness to these Signs And still do not believe." - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 25:10
Icarus3 Gallente DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.12.14 09:14:00 - [32] Originally by: Bashiri Garst got attacked by 20 sf t1 cruisers we all rr him kept him alive. SF change into higher dps ships we killed one of there guardians garst tanks sf gang for 1 hour(nobody had killrights on sf) sf finally gave up and we all went home. You seem to be mistaken. Attacked by 20 SF? I wasn't aware that friendly bumping counted towards an actual attack? If all "20" of us were indeed able to fire upon Garst he would have been destroyed... the number was more around 5 just FYI
theRaptor Caldari Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2009.12.14 09:30:00 - [33] Ah delusional Star Fraction who believe that tagging EW mods onto POS and sentry gun kills means their alliance got the kill. If such is true than I alone have destroyed over 3 billion worth of TLF and Star Fraction assets in the last two days. I also quite enjoy Constantine's bipolar statements about the Fleet Commanding abilities of Admiral Tyrell. When he doesn't jump into a trap it is cowardice, when he does it is hubris. This shows Constantine has no interest in fighting in space just on the IGS. And Constantine now out right admits that her irrelevant alliance hides behind the power of the empires manifest in CONCORD. How pathetic. I assume the reason they are no longer fighting for the "cause" in 0.0 space is because they are afraid to confront a drone armed Hulk without CONCORD holding their hand. Their futile campaign has left them unable to fly anything in combat but basic cruisers and without the money to war declare No.Mercy. --- Paladin Crusader of Amarrian Retribution (24th IC).
Lord Meriak Amarr Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2009.12.14 09:47:00 - [34] I am sorry pel for all the threads as it soon became all about a certain memebers of eve, who lets just say, for all their chest beating have proven that they can not kill a bs in high sec after 1 hour of shooting it.. I am Glad to see that the years the Amarrain people have spent with the mins have sparked some culture and I praise you on a well written poem.
Cadirro DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.12.14 10:09:00 - [35] Meh. We keep accusing you of delusion, you keep accusing us of delusion. Over and over again, this is tiresome and leads to nothing. I'm working on a video report displaying the engagements of that days, may everyone make up their own minds once its finished.
Horus Isis No.Mercy	Posted - 2009.12.14 10:15:00 - [36] I look forward to seeing the "Results" from the other side. _______
Icarus3 Gallente DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.12.14 11:19:00 - [37] Originally by: Horus Isis I look forward to seeing the "Results" from the other side. As do I Horus... as do I I am sure I will be very pleased of my pilots ability to capture such sweet carnage against the cowardly No.Mercy One day without the amarr militia to back No.Mercy it is my hope that Garst and the rest of you are able to see yourselves for exactly what you truly are.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.12.14 12:27:00 - [38] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 14/12/2009 12:27:07 Originally by: thecRaptor Their futile campaign has left them unable to fly anything in combat but basic cruisers and without the money to war declare No.Mercy. Its true we have no isk. We can't afford tech2 mods even. All we have left in the hangers are our little cruisers and though we are continuing the fight and destroying you every time we undock its only a matter of time before somebody calls our bluff and wardecs us to put the "finishing touch" to our utter annihilation ... Isn't it? I mean I'm sure you wouldn't lie about these things on a public forum. That would be silly. True Knowledge
Theophilas Amarr DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2009.12.14 13:56:00 - [39] No matter who won, Star Fraction always has the fanciest IGS sigs. And that means a lot.
Cadirro DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.12.14 14:01:00 - [40] Originally by: Theophilas No matter who won, Star Fraction always has the fanciest IGS sigs. And that means a lot. In case you mean Icky's and mine, ill take that as a compliment. :)
Lord Meriak Amarr Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2009.12.14 15:14:00 - [41] Battle of auga, from star fraction kill board, this is with the minmater + pos shows sf:- Saturday 4 sf kills and 19 amarr.. this is not including all the min or carrier kills, this is just sf and amarr with pos and minmater help. Sunday a better day the min & sf 10 kills and 6 kills Amarr this is off sf killboard. Grand total of well i let you work it out. it's a good job we are Immortal.
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.12.14 15:29:00 - [42] Originally by: Lord Meriak Battle of auga, from star fraction kill board, this is with the minmater + pos shows sf:- Saturday 4 sf kills and 19 amarr.. this is not including all the min or carrier kills, this is just sf and amarr with pos and minmater help. Sunday a better day the min & sf 10 kills and 6 kills Amarr this is off sf killboard. Grand total of well i let you work it out. it's a good job we are Immortal. Well, the first night was a test run for our tactic. The idea initially coined for future Space & Freedom defences, but it seems none of you have the balls for round 2 of that fight *ChipMo laughs.. We honed our skills and I dare say near perfected it by now. The first 2 - 3 waves of T1 Cruisers were never intended to survive, and were suitably inexpensive. While we lost a lot of these the first day the price tag of those 4 ships we did kill (456m) cost more than all our losses (only 17 ships btw, at a cost of 362m). Round 2, well, we had the kill rights in place, we'd all had some practice doing what we planned and it worked a charm. Killing 10 ships (8 BS & 2 Guardians) for a respectable economic hit of aprox 1280m isk, to our 6 losses, a bargin at 60m. So over the weekend of Auga action we end up with: 14 kills, 23 losses. 1.736Bn Damage done, at a cost of 0.422Bn.
Lord Meriak Amarr Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2009.12.14 16:07:00 - [43] Saturday mins + pos + sf killed - 33.... Amarr killed 89 Including 2 carriers Sunday mins + pos + sf 32...... Amarr Killed 36. You cant put isk on lives or fun :) CCP put Alliance + all the other stuff that only Alliance can use to claim 0.0. CCP put Fw for Amarr & Cal v Min- Gal. CVA is out in 0.0 you could have your own version of our fun.
Mazca Lopez Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.12.14 16:46:00 - [44] Lets give credit where credit is due. I tip my hat to the minmatar posgunners. Objective complete, pos was saved, for now... Regards
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.12.14 17:10:00 - [45] Originally by: theRaptor Their futile campaign has left them unable to fly anything in combat but basic cruisers and without the money to war declare No.Mercy. That was a really dumb statement. Are you going to try and replace Merdaneth as the new idiot minister of propaganda? Your smack is already starting to descend into illogic and hyperbole. You know better too, you were there for the fighting under Lord Bastables. What a disingenuous and petty little worm you have become.
Captain Vaguy Royal Order of Security Specialists	Posted - 2009.12.14 17:21:00 - [46] Well looks like I've been missing all the fun...I'm back now and I'm back to kick serious amarr ass
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.12.14 18:01:00 - [47] Originally by: Lord Meriak Saturday mins + pos + sf killed - 33.... Amarr killed 89 Including 2 carriers Sunday mins + pos + sf 32...... Amarr Killed 36. You cant put isk on lives or fun :) You pull these numbers out of your arse? This is utter rubbish. Saturdays Engagement: Amarr Say: 33 Kills (1.58B), 10 losses (0.28B) - No Pods destroyed, PoS was saved. Minmatar Say: 15 Kills (1.29B), 27 losses (4.02B) - 2 Pods lost, 1 Pod Killed, PoS was saved. Star Fraction Say: 4 Kills (0.456B), 17 Losses (0.362B) - No Pods Destroyed, PoS was saved. Sundays Engagement Amarr Say: 25 Kills (0.96B), 21 Losses (2.08B) - 1 Pod Killed, None lost, PoS was Saved. Minmatar Say: 44 Kills (3.54B), 15 Losses (0.68B) - 7 Pods Killed, None lost, PoS was saved. Star Fraction Say: 10 Kills (1.28B), 6 Losses (0.06B) - No Pods Destroyed, PoS was Saved. Summary As you can see there are conflicting views on the weekends events, to clump them all together and say "this is it" is just not possible. We (SF) do not deny many more Amarrians died that day than what we were involved in, nor do we deny that the Matari took significant damage in defending their PoS. All we can do is give our perspective relative to our involvement. For us, it was an excellent weekend with no loss of Capsuleer life on our part. All of our 'disposable' vessles are only ever crewed with an absolute bare bones crew who are well trained in evacuation procedures. Your battleship crews? I don't know... but I suspect you were the ones to suffer on the humanitarian front. I suppose we can clump the 2 engagemnets into 3 perspectives of the weekend, which would break down somthing like this: Amarr Say: 58 Kills (2.54B), 31 losses (2.36B) - 1 Pod Killed, None lost, PoS was saved. Objective Failed - the Pos stands. More ships destoryed than lost, but about even on isk value. 1 Enemy Capsuleer Killed, no loss of friendly life. imo even from your perspective, given you had a far superior force in terms of numbers and ship class at both battles, the weekend as a whole has been an embaressing pharse for you and your allies. Minmatar Say: 59 Kills (4.83B), 42 losses (4.7B) - 2 Pods lost, 8 Pod Killed, PoS was saved. Primary Objective Achieved - Amarr were successfully baited into deploying considerable assets into a desirable engagement. Secondary Objective Achieved - PoS Survived the battle. Matari destroyed more enemy vessles than they lost, and inflicted heavy damaged on the Amarrian Militia. Had the friendly capitals not been deployed, well the isk battle would be decisive. As it stands Matari forces lost slightly more than the amarrians. 8 Enemy Capsuleers were killed, 1 honorable freedom fighter lost his life. imo, a great victory for the Matari on all fronts, I belive the pilots who lost their carriers will be able to replace them & the logistical challenge faceing both forces to resupply I believe will be won by the Matari. Capital assets just take 1 big push to replace, hoards of individual battleship losses are a pain in the arse to get back into the war zone. Star Fraction Say: 14 Kills (1.74B), 23 Losses (0.42B) - No Pods Destroyed, PoS was saved. Operation Objective Achieved - Annoy the hell out of the hostile fleet. 'Sources' have proven this to be the case. Combat wise, took more losses than kills, but our kills were of much more quality than the enemies (BS' vs Cruisers). ISK battle decisively won in our favor. imo, for our part the op was very successful we aided in defending the pos (and it still stands) we infuriated our counterparts and inflicted a decent chunk of fiscal damage onto the regressive Amarrians. We also got some practical experience testing tactics and leave with lots of lovely killrights to exploit as we have no current active war dec's. [cont..]
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.12.14 18:13:00 - [48] Originally by: Lord Meriak CCP put Alliance + all the other stuff that only Alliance can use to claim 0.0. CCP put Fw for Amarr & Cal v Min- Gal. CVA is out in 0.0 you could have your own version of our fun. I've no idea who or what the hell CCP is, as for our alliance claiming 0.0 space (I think that's what your suggesting?) that is entirely against our ideology, we want to free space, not occupy it. We may well attack current 0.0 powers in an effort to liberate any space they claim to own. But you'll just have to wait & see with regard to that. I see no reson why we cannot attack 0.0 empires as well as interfering on the high/low-sec empire wars? Security status is just anti-free space bull crap invented by CONCORD. It means nothing to us free captains other than the practical repercussions of working around CONCORD.
Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.12.14 18:14:00 - [49] Edited by: Merdaneth on 14/12/2009 18:15:28 Ah, for my weekly selection of friendly Star Fraction quotes: Originally by: Tekumze Wolf Thaks to Vitharr and Matari fighters for the fun we had. Mr. Wolf, this seems to sum up the attitude of SF pilots. They fight for fun, and primarily their own fun. The occupancy of the Minmatar systems be damned. Originally by: Tekumze Wolf Everybody uses all the advantages it can. Why apologize for it? I do think ms. Constantine thinks the Caldari using their advantages it somehow unfair and not allowed. You might want to check up with her on it. On to a great set of comments which shows the general respect and honour the Star Fraction CEO displays for her opponents: Originally by: Jade Constantine Our new tactic is using your fleet-commander's cowardice and egotism against your fleet Originally by: Jade Constantine I think its fairly clear that your fleet running scared from the Star Fraction tech1 cruisers in a panic for hisec was the conclusion of the days operations Originally by: Jade Constantine we held a struggling and panicky Garst captive Originally by: Jade Constantine we also crushed your battleship fleet so badly that your FC was insulting his own pilots on voice communications Originally by: Jade Constantine Something tells me you aren't the smart one in the militia Originally by: Jade Constantine Looked to me like he was mostly bleating for remote rep However, SF pilot Chipmo seems quite agitated as well, and thinks nothing of resorting to insults too: Originally by: Chipmo but it seems none of you have the balls for round 2 of that fight ChipMo laughs Originally by:* Chipmo You pull these numbers out of your arse? This is utter rubbish Originally by: Chipmo the weekend as a whole has been an embaressing pharse for you and your allies. Of course, mr. Bliss makes an appearance as well, insults and disrespectful talk being one of his strong points: Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss That was a really dumb statement Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss You know better too, you were there for the fighting under Lord Bastables. What a disingenuous and petty little worm you have become. Of course, even rarely seen SF pilots suddenly make an appearance: Originally by: Icarus3 such sweet carnage against the cowardly No.Mercy Ladies and gentlemen of the Star Fraction, I believe there is another forum more suited to spouting insults and hate and hotly debating kill numbers and enemy attitudes in a disrespectful way. Please go there. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Cadirro DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.12.14 18:25:00 - [50] Edited by: Cadirro on 14/12/2009 18:26:50 Edited by: Cadirro on 14/12/2009 18:26:17 Picking random quotes out of context is, of course, a very comfortable way to blame poeple one doesnt like. But to be honest, the effects are much less effective than the trouble of quoting all that stuff would justify :)
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.12.14 18:28:00 - [51] Edited by: ChipMo on 14/12/2009 18:33:52 The only thing those quotes have in common is our observation of No.Mercy's cowardice. I have not insulted anyone, I have only ever stated my observations of actions in space. I may use a crude word here or there to spice things a little, but I do not directly insult people. I accept people may be insulted by my observations of their actions, but then.. they should try acting in a different manor while in-pod. Also, I am not arguing statistics. I am pointing out his numbers are wrong and I have posted the data from all relevant parties according to their own sources. That is an end of the issue. People tried to manipulate the numbers at the battle of Space and Freedom in a similar fashion where I ended the lies and half-truths by posting a similar statement - it is not a debate. Edit: I see you have retracted you comment about me arguing over numbers. I shall leave my response here however, so others don't make the same mistake.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.12.14 18:28:00 - [52] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 14/12/2009 18:29:07 Originally by: Merdaneth a collection of out of context quotes from a desperate stalker finding his faith in a false-fought war is waning and trying to cheer himself up by trolling an enemy he cannot fight Really Merdaneth. This is getting embarrassing. Haven't you got some more neutral pilots to shoot to cover up No.Mercy Piracy operations or something? True Knowledge
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.12.14 18:45:00 - [53] Merdaneth hopes to be the new Hardin, but he tries too hard. Come back when you have something to say that isn't codswollop.
Reverand Phoenix Vitharr's Vengeance	Posted - 2009.12.15 02:41:00 - [54] Edited by: Reverand Phoenix on 15/12/2009 02:45:51 The Vitharr/Minmatar Auga POS "Valhaila" Valhalla was suddenly attacked by members from the Amarr Milita and promptly reinforced - Strontium was adjusted just before the forcefield went critical in order to get it back up to full strength before the next day's wave of Amarr. The second day brought waves upon waves of Amarrian battleships with their Guardians as well as seemingly endless support attempting to harass any unwary Minmatar undocking in Auga. The battle raged with no clear advatage on either side emerging... At this point two Vitharr carriers were pulled out from station and set away from Valhalla's encompassing embrace to test the resolve of the Amarr cap fleet. Just one Amarrian dread took to the field. I remember thinking to myself "This can't be - where is the renowned Amarrian cap fleet" Vitharr decided to sacrifice the carriers and wait untill they showed their hand. Many guns were left to auto-fire to complete the illusion. strontium was again reset for timing favorable to Vitharr/Minmatar (few hours) On day three the Amarrian forces clashed again against the force field, fitted with close range and reps. Vitharr/Minmitar and friends had been tactically maneuvering their ranged battleships, using Valhallas sheilds for cover. After a few hours of repelling attack after attack, What we had been waiting for finally happened - "Amarrian Forces have lit a cyno feild at the Matari Station" - Morale was hightened almost to the point of bloodlust. Reserves were set in motion, and the brave Minmatar warriors engaged the enemy with the full strength given to them by their ancestors. After losing one of every three of the battleships he entered the engagement with to the fury of the combined Matari forces, The Amarrian FC called the retreat. The Amarrian caps never undocked and the Minmatar earned a small piece of their vengeance against the great opressors.
Tekumze Wolf Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.12.15 09:00:00 - [55] Merdaneth: If you chose to misinterpret what I write then it is your own problem. To make it a bit harder for you to put misinterpretations forward as the truth I will say this: I dedicated my life to fighting against the oppressors. It is in my Matari blood and it was reinforced by the slavery I endured. Vitharr and the rest of Matari fighters gave me the opportunity to join them in the fight against slavers on that particular day. I have no problems admitting I had fun doing it especially since the objective (saving the POS) was met. Me and my crew went into combat happy and our comms were open singing songs of freedom together with other Matari fighters. And to answer your(only) question. Yes I have talked with Jade and I think I understand her position. In fact it was openly sent through another communication channel for all to hear. As far as I understand it she's bothered by the fact that Republic Fleet is not responding against attacks by Caldari pilots. Caldari pilots will do what they can to exploit any advantages against their enemy. That much is obvious. Republic fleet however is looking away instead of protecting what they were suppose to protect. I am sure anybody that would have this happen would be annoyed and rightfully so.
Cadirro DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.12.15 09:21:00 - [56] Edited by: Cadirro on 15/12/2009 09:22:31 Edited by: Cadirro on 15/12/2009 09:21:50 The Battle of Auga - Make Your Mind
Icarus3 Gallente DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.12.15 09:38:00 - [57] Originally by: Cadirro Edited by: Cadirro on 15/12/2009 09:22:31 Edited by: Cadirro on 15/12/2009 09:21:50 The Battle of Auga - Make Your Mind If you watch closely this will prove that not all SF members in local had kill rights. People like myself and Cadirro were simply providing friendly bumps. Bashiri(i believe it was) is clearly mistaken
Horus Isis No.Mercy	Posted - 2009.12.15 14:58:00 - [58] the video itself fails to display the many times Star Fraction was unable to score any kills. it also fails to show the guardian logstics cruiser which was lost, when supported by more then 4 other logistics cruisers. Not a very accurate display. _______
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.12.15 15:10:00 - [59] Originally by: Horus Isis the video itself fails to display the many times Star Fraction was unable to score any kills. it also fails to show the guardian logstics cruiser which was lost, when supported by more then 4 other logistics cruisers. Not a very accurate display. You seem to have a problem with your mind. The engagement began with the failed Amarrian attack on the Auga POS during which you lost many ships. Holding your FC hostage for an hour while he begged and pleaded for every 24th Crusade logistics ship within 20 jumps to come and save him while our tech1 cruisers bumped him more than a hundred kilometres off a gate. Well that was just for "annoyance" value I suggest you re-read your failure here. And if you think I'm wrong. Well lets have another go at Tower attack/defense. If your FC still has the stomach for it. True Knowledge
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.12.15 15:18:00 - [60] Originally by: Cadirro Edited by: Cadirro on 15/12/2009 09:22:31 Edited by: Cadirro on 15/12/2009 09:21:50 The Battle of Auga - Make Your Mind I love it when video evidence makes Bashiri's constant vomit of lies...well are shown to be lies. 20 cruisers attacking Garst indeed; try 4.

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