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Phreeze > Woops, zoned out for a second
LadyScarlet > its fine i was told you though i had you blocked
LadyScarlet > was minimized
Phreeze > Heh.
LadyScarlet > so whatsup
Phreeze > Well the smart answer would be to say looting 49-u, but the polite one would just be to say a mutual friend contacted me about switching sides.
LadyScarlet > ya he mention you had soem ideas or something
Phreeze > You could say that.
LadyScarlet > so im here to see what he is on about
Phreeze > As is, the way your campaign is being run is... dubious at best
LadyScarlet > well we get fights so cant complain to much
Phreeze > The whole "crap towers everywhere" approach, combined with the "everyone in 49-u! wait Period Basis! no, 49-U!"
LadyScarlet > but obiously i cant comment on detials
Phreeze > Obviously
Phreeze > Now I can't comment on your inner runnings, because I know nothing about them, but getting fights will not get Querious back, nor Delve. If the alliance wants to survive as something more than a shadow of itself, it needs to rethink what its doing.
Phreeze > At least from my point of view. Tomorrow there could be some master plan sprung, but I doubt it.
LadyScarlet > one never knows
LadyScarlet > so how would you solve this
Phreeze > Now, my angle is quite simply that Razor treats its FC's like ****. If things had been my way, Querious would have remained RZR sov and you would have never had the opportunity to srike 49-u without hitting a jammer and 4 titans
LadyScarlet > so your saying we should treat our fcs liek **** ?
LadyScarlet > lol
Phreeze > Not so much. First off, you should never ever let yaay near a microphone and fleet command ever again
LadyScarlet > i see
Phreeze > That man does more damage to your cause than any of us in the coalition ever could
Phreeze > Second, my point is that I can be persuaded to switch sides, IF the right dialogue is made, IE when I do come over there, its not run like a circus as it is now.
LadyScarlet > some could say other peeps have bad fcs too
Phreeze > Truth. I can't fc a hac gang to save my life, you can.
LadyScarlet > you as in you or razor ?
Phreeze > Me as in me.
Phreeze > As for as RZR is concerned, this convo never happened.
Phreeze > like i said, if i were able to call the shots over here, you guys would be living in catch if not already rebased in detorid
Phreeze > instead, our leadership ****ed away that opportunity by opening q back up to assault
LadyScarlet > so why arnt you in postion of autority to do their ?
Phreeze > FC's are handicapped by old rzr dudes who make decisions without basing them on facts at hand
Phreeze > ie, the querious example: leaderships turns querious over to goons despite it being horrible timing and inviting attack. fc's tell them not to, fc's are ignored due to arrogance.
Phreeze > woops, there goes 49u and 3bk
Phreeze > theres a reason that RZR had 10 or so FC's at the start of this, and has 2 now.
LadyScarlet > well i know some left cause they didnt like goons too ;P
Phreeze > right, and thats part of it too, in that goons call the shots when we should be making our own decisions based on the information at hand
Phreeze > it absolutely kills me that we turned 49u over days before sov3. I mean cmon, how ******ed is that?
LadyScarlet > well jsut think
LadyScarlet > if goons win
LadyScarlet > that is what everyone gets to l ive with too
LadyScarlet > dotn get me wronge i love the fights
LadyScarlet > and the whoel kill bob lol
LadyScarlet > is funny
LadyScarlet > great campagne
Phreeze > well, goons are going to win. you guys would need all of AAA/SE/COVEN to invade Delve, and if they do that then the drone regions go up in smoke to XXDeath
LadyScarlet > but im jsut not sure peopel ahve really thought what if lol
Phreeze > if winning is measured by retaking delve, thats a far off dream that is out of reach at this time

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Phreeze > but, if winning is measured by revitalizing the alliance, and becoming something greater than it was....
Phreeze > than thats a goal thats achievable
LadyScarlet > well first goon ar was over a year
LadyScarlet > im sure this one will be as long
LadyScarlet > but if war was easy
LadyScarlet > non of us be here
LadyScarlet > my question to you
Phreeze > right, but the key with goons rebuilding was rebuilding and retooling in a new region, not continuing the slugfest with whatever was left. exe is a disjointed rabble thats teetering on collapse, skunkworks loses mom's and carriers outside pos shields
Phreeze > blade is lol
LadyScarlet > what excatly would you be gaining by leaving razor to come to us
Phreeze > nothing, if i just show up and get stonewalled by molle et al
LadyScarlet > so why would y ou leave rzr
Phreeze > but... if i can take the skills ive learned here, which have proven successful against you, i can bring your outfit back from near death to resurgence
LadyScarlet > it dont make sense to me
Phreeze > because rzr is not ever going to listen to an fc. all they do is demand results, and not reward them with weight in the decision making process
Phreeze > its a bad way to run an organization
LadyScarlet > ok but then why not join pl or even your friends corp in atnerus
Phreeze > first off, that alliance is also a joke. PL are goons/lite and joining a retirement home for coalition FC's arent my thing. You don't seem to understand, I can bring victories to GBC, instead of embarassing defeats such as H74, 49U tonight, C-7
Phreeze > aeturneous or whatever is the joke i meant. PL are alright, just not my style. again, disliking hac pvp
LadyScarlet > well i have to give you credit for one thing you are sure full of yourself
Phreeze > absolutely.
Phreeze > knowing what you have done, and what you can do is not arrogance, its simply a knowledge of self that enables you to be effective
Phreeze > thats the bull**** answer anyway
LadyScarlet > lol
LadyScarlet > well ego is what get thigns done but if you have to much welll that can be bad too
Phreeze > precisely. but again thats part of the prblm GBC has. You all have no real ties to Querious et al except the ego that it is yours and you must reclaim it in a jihad
Phreeze > It makes no sense to grind your members and allies day after day without achieving gains.
Phreeze > thats not gonna be possible with the entirety of eve sans the bad russian blok against you
Phreeze > awesome. disconnect in the middle of a poignant and empassioned response
Phreeze > long of the short is that i can help run a campaign that retools and revitalizies bob, in exchange for the say to make sure that it happens instead of just getting blindly told to do **** by leadership
Phreeze > that sounds a thousand times worse than the metaphors and silly war movie stuff i had typed before
LadyScarlet > thanks for spearing me
LadyScarlet > so
LadyScarlet > who or what corp are you looking to be in or am i just to give this to molle for consderation or what
Phreeze > i have no idea, i dont give a **** about what goes on at the corp level
LadyScarlet > as im sure their will be a need for soem kind of ceo dicussion on this' you being red and all
Phreeze > obviously.
Phreeze > you could put me in a corp entitled "this dude sucks" for all i care, as long as you give me the tools to do what i do best, which is take fleets, and accomplish things.
Phreeze > rather than take fleets, and lose everything and promise that all will be ok when delve is bob again
Phreeze > bob is NOT going to be delve again until bob secures a. a region to build from, b. cleans house and gets rid of all the crap, c. treats pets correctly, ie giving them r64s etc.
Phreeze > actually thats a horrible order
Phreeze > b -> a -> c

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Phreeze > or something like that
Phreeze > and what i can give you borders on the invaluable: access to the highest levels of command in the coalition, unique mindset into the strategy and planning of our campaign, titan locations, etc
LadyScarlet > well this is sure alot to taken in
LadyScarlet > and i have to say one of the most amuesing convos i have had lately
Phreeze > i try. im something of a personality you'll find
LadyScarlet > and if this is a troll well its a good one
LadyScarlet > but il assuem its not
LadyScarlet > and will put it up on ceo boards
LadyScarlet > for dicussion
Phreeze > i was gonna say something clever about being the worst poster on caod, but its late and my brain isnt working as well as earlier
Phreeze > so, take that as a "im for serious dawg" i guess
LadyScarlet > ok !

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Originally by: Molle

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2009.05.07 18:23
So, whats on your mind more specifically?

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Originally by: Phreeze

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2009.05.07 18:31
Defection, with the specific intent to help rebuild your alliance.

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Originally by: Molle

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2009.05.07 18:37
Well, i need a little bit more detail about what your plans are, and your motivations, since the ones QD showed me was kinda lacking motive.

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Originally by: Phreeze

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2009.05.07 18:43
I've spent the last two months busting my ass for Razor. We've lost nearly all of our FC's because leadership doesn't actually listen to anything we say. If they had listened to me, 49-u would have been razor sov3 a month ago, and you lot would still be living in low sec.
I'm tired of winning every battle, and getting no reward for it.
Your side has the numbers to do things, but not the FC's or the strategic vision. Your fc's are shockingly awful, consistently losing fleets with no gain other than "good fights". thats not how you win.
I can bring that vision and success.

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Originally by: Molle

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2009.05.07 18:46
So, you are asking me to trust one of the main NC FC's based on..... what?
All i know about you, is that i see your name on the RZR regroups.
How do i know youre sincere in your requests, and whats in it for you?

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Originally by: Phreeze

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2009.05.07 18:55
You don't. There's nothing I can say or do to prove that I'm not just jerking your chain except prove myself in combat.
K thats fair. I'm the main razor FC. every major fleet in the past month has been led by me.
I smashed your fleet in H74, and again in C-7, and again in 49-u.
Whats in it for me is that I'll a. be the most famous turncout since Hargoth, which appeals to me ego :p, and b. the substantial amount of isk you can pay me before i do leave for access to the highest levels of coalition command. im talking leadership formum access for goons and the nc, as well as jabber, ts, etc.

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Originally by: Molle

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2009.05.07 19:03
Youre gonna have to do a lot more then sending me a tiny screenie of a forum to convince me.
Remember, i dont know you, have no references, and this still smells of setup to me.

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Originally by: Phreeze

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2009.05.07 19:04
Balls in your court dude, tell me what you need and I can get it for you.

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Originally by: Molle

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2009.05.07 19:07
Answer me this;
Are you planning to rip RZR off?
Ill play the defector card, but im not putting a ****wad of ISK anywhere for anything, never have, never will.

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Originally by: Molle

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2009.05.07 19:16
I want Intensity Green.

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Originally by: Phreeze

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2009.05.07 19:17
I can't get you that. I'm not cei.

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Originally by: Phreeze

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2009.05.07 19:18
MAYBE, maybe thats possible. I'd have to bug the **** out of leadership for it.

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Originally by: Molle

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2009.05.07 19:20
As a FC, you can get me anything, you can order him to jump to a baited trap etc.
The info is nice, but, what we'd like, is a proper titan baited trap.

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Originally by: Molle

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2009.05.07 19:28
Setting it up is easy, timing is more vital tbh.
Just using a unjammed tower, and a cynopilot thats to far off the tower si all thats needed. has to be your own cyno tho.
You could easily setup for more then one titan as well. as long as we coordinate it, its not aproblme to down a truckload.
Ill have a think about what we can work out, but at least we're talking to start with.

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Originally by: Phreeze

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2009.05.07 19:30
ok. im out for most of the day today for a baseball game, then work over the weekend.
just convo/email me whenever.
is there anything you want in the meantime re. intel

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LadyScarlet > ok but then why not join pl or even your friends corp in atnerus

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