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hired gunman
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Posted - 2009.12.16 17:55:00 -
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Edited by: hired gunman on 16/12/2009 17:58:59
ok this i dont think is a bad idea mainly because what military craft doesnt repair their toys. in the navy do you see aircraft carriers sending out broken planes no you dont because its to costly and they dont want to injur the pilots. what about a UAV you have a low maintance on those and its cheap and efficient.
i propose that CCP either makes a mod ,either High powered, med power, or low powered seeing as how drones are low maintance; and make the mod so that it repairs the drones health unfortunatly i heared CCP took out something similar were the drone bay used to repair shields.
hopefully they can put it back in in the form of a mod and make it to were it also repairs hull and armor too but over a period of time like 10 or 15 min depending on how bad the dmg is unfortunatly i cant get much more specific than that because im not good a balanceing. but to push it even further i think that if you do have this mod on it will have some defects like less drone shield HP if not that less armor or hull HP that way in pvp if they manage to break the shields it pretty much pops.
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Naran Darkmood
Gallente
BlackSite Prophecy
101010 Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.16 18:13:00 -
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the thing you are looking for is called remote Shield/armor rep.
 Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Don't worry, CCP. We here at Suddenly NinjasÖ are working hard to add social interaction to generic missions
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hired gunman
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Posted - 2009.12.16 18:20:00 -
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ok that cant work for me im a mission runner and when a drone is dmgd i cant have all of the remote repers on my ship. that just wont work for me. im sure there are other ways of repairing drones like another drone or docking at a station but thats either wasted dronespace or wasted time.
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Regat Kozovv
Caldari
Alcothology
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Posted - 2009.12.16 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: hired gunman
ok that cant work for me im a mission runner and when a drone is dmgd i cant worry about repairing my stuff i want to afkpwn everythin
I'm sorry, but you will have to do actual work during your mission running, like, you know, manage aggro.
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Virgil Travis
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.12.16 19:02:00 -
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Edited by: Virgil Travis on 16/12/2009 19:02:54
You can have repper drones in your drone bay, they can easily be used to rep damaged drones, usually I just used a small remote armour rep in a high slot, as long as you keep and eye on drone damage levels you should be able to recall them before they get into hull, and shields rep themselves so armour is usually sufficient.
I'm a mission runner and it works for me, drone boats don't tend to need all their high slots filled with weapons. If it can work for me it can work for anyone.
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hired gunman
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Posted - 2009.12.16 20:11:00 -
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what im suggesting CCP to put in the game is'nt much and if somepeople prefer to do it different then that is there perogative. i am suggesting something that would fix a flaw somehting that should be there thats not.
i could not imagine in real life some time in the future a war machine that doesnt repair its combat drones or fighters in combat when they desprately need it. that just doenst make sence who sends a drone out dmged even now we have drones and the military would not send them into combat dmged.
what im suggesting doesnt even overpower ships so why not. sure you can put an armor reping drone on your ship and deploy drones and rep the ones needing it but then boom rep drone is gone because he got agro because in this mission there is another group out there that is agroed to drones now what now you pull in you drones cause you cant afford to loose them and you lost one. the only way to defend and offend against frigs is if the stupid drone bay repairs drones. btw frigs are the most dangerous in a mission they do all the ewar who likes to be eward not me.
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mchief117
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Posted - 2009.12.16 20:57:00 -
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so what your asking for is a passive repair of drones in the drone bay , dont see why not
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Virgil Travis
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.12.17 04:16:00 -
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Originally by: hired gunman
what im suggesting CCP to put in the game is'nt much and if somepeople prefer to do it different then that is there perogative. i am suggesting something that would fix a flaw somehting that should be there thats not.
i could not imagine in real life some time in the future a war machine that doesnt repair its combat drones or fighters in combat when they desprately need it. that just doenst make sence who sends a drone out dmged even now we have drones and the military would not send them into combat dmged.
what im suggesting doesnt even overpower ships so why not. sure you can put an armor reping drone on your ship and deploy drones and rep the ones needing it but then boom rep drone is gone because he got agro because in this mission there is another group out there that is agroed to drones now what now you pull in you drones cause you cant afford to loose them and you lost one. the only way to defend and offend against frigs is if the stupid drone bay repairs drones. btw frigs are the most dangerous in a mission they do all the ewar who likes to be eward not me.
If you're getting your drones aggro'd by mission rats then you haven't learned to manage aggro then, it takes a little bit of practice and patience but once you get used to dragging your drones in if they start taking damage so you take the aggro yourself then relaunching them so they can run rampant among the npc's that are mobbing you, it get's much easier and you don't risk your drones.
As for them being too expensive to lose, this is only somewhat true of T2 drones, the T1 versions are pretty much expendable due to them being so cheap and you find enough in mission loot to keep you in a decent supply anyway. Are you using T2's?
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hired gunman
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Posted - 2009.12.17 05:10:00 -
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Originally by: Virgil Travis
Originally by: hired gunman
what im suggesting CCP to put in the game is'nt much and if somepeople prefer to do it different then that is there perogative. i am suggesting something that would fix a flaw somehting that should be there thats not.
i could not imagine in real life some time in the future a war machine that doesnt repair its combat drones or fighters in combat when they desprately need it. that just doenst make sence who sends a drone out dmged even now we have drones and the military would not send them into combat dmged.
what im suggesting doesnt even overpower ships so why not. sure you can put an armor reping drone on your ship and deploy drones and rep the ones needing it but then boom rep drone is gone because he got agro because in this mission there is another group out there that is agroed to drones now what now you pull in you drones cause you cant afford to loose them and you lost one. the only way to defend and offend against frigs is if the stupid drone bay repairs drones. btw frigs are the most dangerous in a mission they do all the ewar who likes to be eward not me.
If you're getting your drones aggro'd by mission rats then you haven't learned to manage aggro then, it takes a little bit of practice and patience but once you get used to dragging your drones in if they start taking damage so you take the aggro yourself then relaunching them so they can run rampant among the npc's that are mobbing you, it get's much easier and you don't risk your drones.
As for them being too expensive to lose, this is only somewhat true of T2 drones, the T1 versions are pretty much expendable due to them being so cheap and you find enough in mission loot to keep you in a decent supply anyway. Are you using T2's?
ok dude i use survival and if you did too you would no not all missions will stay attacking you or there is more than one group of rats. lets say WC i dont like using drones on that mission because if i do other rats will attack my drones and when i pull em in they go back to were they were. in other missions they will stop attacking you just to attack your drones and sometimes they dont agro to your drones and there is that odd ship that just doesnt attack with the rest of the group and if you release your drones they gett attackd and you may not notice it for a bit. i no how to agro and i dont like using drones because they die too much.
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Mehrune Khan
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Posted - 2009.12.17 05:39:00 -
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Its kind of hard for me to read what you're saying, but I think I agree with the idea. Ask CCP for a module that fits to a ship's low or mid slots, and can be activated to repair the hull/shield/armor of any drones in your drone bay. They would need to work out how much energy/time it would take for balancing issues, but I think it could work. This would free the ship's high slots for guns, and make it easier to manage repairing the drones, as you wouldn't have to target the ones that would need to be repaired like with a remote armor repper. You could just recall them all, heal them up, and send them back out.
I love the idea, and you're right it makes sense.
Also, I don't think it would make drone ships overpowered, as they couldn't exactly use it mid combat, as they would have to have all their drones (well at least the damaged ones) come back and dock which would leave the ship exposed, and having it as a low or mid slot would interfere with armor or shield tank setups.
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hired gunman
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Posted - 2009.12.17 06:00:00 -
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Originally by: Mehrune Khan
Its kind of hard for me to read what you're saying, but I think I agree with the idea. Ask CCP for a module that fits to a ship's low or mid slots, and can be activated to repair the hull/shield/armor of any drones in your drone bay. They would need to work out how much energy/time it would take for balancing issues, but I think it could work. This would free the ship's high slots for guns, and make it easier to manage repairing the drones, as you wouldn't have to target the ones that would need to be repaired like with a remote armor repper. You could just recall them all, heal them up, and send them back out.
I love the idea, and you're right it makes sense.
Also, I don't think it would make drone ships overpowered, as they couldn't exactly use it mid combat, as they would have to have all their drones (well at least the damaged ones) come back and dock which would leave the ship exposed, and having it as a low or mid slot would interfere with armor or shield tank setups.
sorry about the typing i type realy fast and dont really check myself. i guess i need to work on that but how do i ask ccp for somthing if not in here. i always thought this is were you make discusions about it and ccp looks at what is most popular or somthing like that.
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Virgil Travis
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.12.17 06:04:00 -
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Originally by: hired gunman
Originally by: Virgil Travis
Originally by: hired gunman
what im suggesting CCP to put in the game is'nt much and if somepeople prefer to do it different then that is there perogative. i am suggesting something that would fix a flaw somehting that should be there thats not.
i could not imagine in real life some time in the future a war machine that doesnt repair its combat drones or fighters in combat when they desprately need it. that just doenst make sence who sends a drone out dmged even now we have drones and the military would not send them into combat dmged.
what im suggesting doesnt even overpower ships so why not. sure you can put an armor reping drone on your ship and deploy drones and rep the ones needing it but then boom rep drone is gone because he got agro because in this mission there is another group out there that is agroed to drones now what now you pull in you drones cause you cant afford to loose them and you lost one. the only way to defend and offend against frigs is if the stupid drone bay repairs drones. btw frigs are the most dangerous in a mission they do all the ewar who likes to be eward not me.
If you're getting your drones aggro'd by mission rats then you haven't learned to manage aggro then, it takes a little bit of practice and patience but once you get used to dragging your drones in if they start taking damage so you take the aggro yourself then relaunching them so they can run rampant among the npc's that are mobbing you, it get's much easier and you don't risk your drones.
As for them being too expensive to lose, this is only somewhat true of T2 drones, the T1 versions are pretty much expendable due to them being so cheap and you find enough in mission loot to keep you in a decent supply anyway. Are you using T2's?
ok dude i use survival and if you did too you would no not all missions will stay attacking you or there is more than one group of rats. lets say WC i dont like using drones on that mission because if i do other rats will attack my drones and when i pull em in they go back to were they were. in other missions they will stop attacking you just to attack your drones and sometimes they dont agro to your drones and there is that odd ship that just doesnt attack with the rest of the group and if you release your drones they gett attackd and you may not notice it for a bit. i no how to agro and i dont like using drones because they die too much.
Actually I do use eve survival and I know what a ***** Worlds Collide is for drone aggro. Most other missions though it's quite easy to deal with not getting your drones aggroed. If you don't like using drones, then look at using a weapons system that you prefer, I personally love using drones and have taken the time to learn how to address not getting my drones destroyed. Once you pull your drones in with most missions the rats will then aggro you and you are then free to relaunch your drones. If you're having this much trouble with drones, perhaps you may do better using weapons such as missiles.
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Mehrune Khan
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Posted - 2009.12.17 06:14:00 -
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Yeah this is the place to ask CCP for stuff, since they don't listen to game ideas in petitions (well at least they always refer me to here). Sorry if it came across wrong, I was trying to reword the idea without hijacking your thread.
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hired gunman
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Posted - 2009.12.17 06:18:00 -
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i understand what your saying completely but humor me when i say what if they get damaged. how will you repair with a tight fit?
you dont have cpu to put any more mods in highs.
what then you cant afford to loose your drones against mean little frigs.
you dont have space for rep drones cause you need medium drones for the big ships. what are you going to do fly back to station everytime a drone gets damaged?
if you can suggest a way with out terribly messing up my raven fit then plz suggest one that works for me. not everyone is as skilled as you.
ive only been missioning lvl 4s solo for a few months.
i would still be sacrificing defence or offence with this mod i'd prefer offence. because the best defence is the best offence.
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hired gunman
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Posted - 2009.12.17 06:23:00 -
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Originally by: Mehrune Khan
Yeah this is the place to ask CCP for stuff, since they don't listen to game ideas in petitions (well at least they always refer me to here). Sorry if it came across wrong, I was trying to reword the idea without hijacking your thread.
i loved your post it made me feal apreciated. :)
i dont get much suport on here. FTW right?
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Virgil Travis
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.12.17 06:38:00 -
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Yes, it would be useful to have some passive repair in the drone bay, but since you're flying a raven, that's one of the problems you have, since ravens don't have large drone bays, that is one of the drawbacks of flying that ship. From the OP it sounded like you were flying a ship where drones were pretty much your primary weapon type. I fly Gallente boats and have been using drones since pretty much the first week of playing, I've had to learn to protect my drones whereas with a ship such as they raven they are there to simply remove the small tackle frigs.
Sacrifices have to be made sometimes, and perhaps this is CCP's aim, to make us make those choices. Another alternative you could try is using an alt to bring in extra drones or have remote reppers on a frigate or something, that may work until such a feature as passive repair is ever implemnted, if it ever is. Part of the fun of EVE is using your initiative and solving such problems.
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Mehrune Khan
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Posted - 2009.12.17 06:44:00 -
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Yup no problem  I like the idea. Being able to repair drones in bay with a module would be a lot more convenient than using a remote repper.
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hired gunman
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Posted - 2009.12.17 06:59:00 -
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Originally by: Virgil Travis
Yes, it would be useful to have some passive repair in the drone bay, but since you're flying a raven, that's one of the problems you have, since ravens don't have large drone bays, that is one of the drawbacks of flying that ship. From the OP it sounded like you were flying a ship where drones were pretty much your primary weapon type. I fly Gallente boats and have been using drones since pretty much the first week of playing, I've had to learn to protect my drones whereas with a ship such as they raven they are there to simply remove the small tackle frigs.
Sacrifices have to be made sometimes, and perhaps this is CCP's aim, to make us make those choices. Another alternative you could try is using an alt to bring in extra drones or have remote reppers on a frigate or something, that may work until such a feature as passive repair is ever implemnted, if it ever is. Part of the fun of EVE is using your initiative and solving such problems.
i understand that even with this mod i will have to sacrifice some of my mods but i dont think it will be as hard to do so with this rather than RRs.
depending on if ccp does like this idea and how they balance it will determine how well it will enhance some ships such as mine.
i think lows would be easiest for my raven but then it would be hard for an armor tank.
if it were mediums it would be hard for shield tank and in highs it will depend on your gun count and reliance on drones.
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hired gunman
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Posted - 2009.12.17 07:06:00 -
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any ideas on how to make it fair for everyone? i think highs would be fair as it doesnt play with the tank or dps.
im mostly woried about tank.
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hired gunman
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Posted - 2009.12.17 07:36:00 -
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well if no one has any ideas on whats fair CCP will you plz check out this post and like it :) and put it in game for us eve fans. 
pretty plz
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July83
Styg Enterprise
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Posted - 2009.12.17 07:47:00 -
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RR is already the module you are asking for...
Docking up is also a module you are asking for...
Aggro management is also a module you are asking for...
More expendable drones is also a module you are asking for...
Eve is not easy.
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hired gunman
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Posted - 2009.12.17 08:11:00 -
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Originally by: July83
RR is already the module you are asking for...
Docking up is also a module you are asking for...
Aggro management is also a module you are asking for...
More expendable drones is also a module you are asking for...
Eve is not easy.
just to make things clear to people who arent following this module that im asking for is an in bay repair only.
the module repairs drones in your drone bay in space.
it doesnt manage your drones it repairs them thats it only repairing while they are inside your ship...
i dont want RR
i do want repairing of the drone when it docks to your ship.
i dont want a mod for agro management
i would like to save my drones life they are expensive especially the t2 ones.
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Erika Bronz
Gallente
The Wyld Hunt
Saints Amongst Sinners
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Posted - 2009.12.17 10:43:00 -
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Edited by: Erika Bronz on 17/12/2009 10:44:25
Store some janitors or mechanics in cargo bay. The more you got of them, the faster they repair. No activation needed, just a slaver dog. That's what I would do if I were in space anyway =)
Seriously though, couldn't repair paste do the job?
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Loxatl Deathsquad
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Posted - 2009.12.17 11:05:00 -
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And at the same time all ships should also be able to repair any damge from overheating passively as well and actually my ship (Raven) should not need a shield booster it should be able to passively regen enough so that my BS can never die and then .... NO!
OP is fail, doesnt know how to control drones properly & doesnt want consequences from failing in the game.
If you want to repair drones go to a station, use remote repair modules or be prepared to lose them when you fail.
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Virgil Travis
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.12.17 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: hired gunman
Originally by: July83
RR is already the module you are asking for...
Docking up is also a module you are asking for...
Aggro management is also a module you are asking for...
More expendable drones is also a module you are asking for...
Eve is not easy.
just to make things clear to people who arent following this module that im asking for is an in bay repair only.
the module repairs drones in your drone bay in space.
it doesnt manage your drones it repairs them thats it only repairing while they are inside your ship...
i dont want RR
i do want repairing of the drone when it docks to your ship.
i dont want a mod for agro management
i would like to save my drones life they are expensive especially the t2 ones.
You kmow you said you felt you didn't get any appreciation on this forum, I think this illustrates why, you sound like a spoilt brat to be brutally honest. You're willing to give up a high slot for some module that you think is needed to repair your drones yet you reject the idea of using a remote repper. Sorry to burst your bubble, but if you aren't able to use the tools available, why should CCP create more just because you stamp your feet and say 'that's not good enough, I want a different toy'.
You had exactly the same attitude in that post you made about ship controls where you wanted all kinds of display screens and when it was explained that you were inside a pod you said it wasn't good enough for you and you wanted a totally different system from everybody else just because you didn't like the way it was now.
Every suggestion made here that didn't suit you was seen as an attack on your idea, when in fact we were offering valid alternatives offered by the game, put there by CCP for you to figure out and use. You have a simple choice, get on with using the methods available like we all do or you can sit there and complain that nothing is good enough for you.
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hired gunman
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Posted - 2009.12.17 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: Virgil Travis
Originally by: hired gunman
Originally by: July83
RR is already the module you are asking for...
Docking up is also a module you are asking for...
Aggro management is also a module you are asking for...
More expendable drones is also a module you are asking for...
Eve is not easy.
just to make things clear to people who arent following this module that im asking for is an in bay repair only.
the module repairs drones in your drone bay in space.
it doesnt manage your drones it repairs them thats it only repairing while they are inside your ship...
i dont want RR
i do want repairing of the drone when it docks to your ship.
i dont want a mod for agro management
i would like to save my drones life they are expensive especially the t2 ones.
You kmow you said you felt you didn't get any appreciation on this forum, I think this illustrates why, you sound like a spoilt brat to be brutally honest. You're willing to give up a high slot for some module that you think is needed to repair your drones yet you reject the idea of using a remote repper. Sorry to burst your bubble, but if you aren't able to use the tools available, why should CCP create more just because you stamp your feet and say 'that's not good enough, I want a different toy'.
You had exactly the same attitude in that post you made about ship controls where you wanted all kinds of display screens and when it was explained that you were inside a pod you said it wasn't good enough for you and you wanted a totally different system from everybody else just because you didn't like the way it was now.
Every suggestion made here that didn't suit you was seen as an attack on your idea, when in fact we were offering valid alternatives offered by the game, put there by CCP for you to figure out and use. You have a simple choice, get on with using the methods available like we all do or you can sit there and complain that nothing is good enough for you.
how do you even recognize me from that post i thought i posted that a while ago i dont remember anyone that posted on that post?
any ways srry if you got the wrong vibe off that i was already in a bad mood. i didnt feal like explaning it again, that person didnt seem like they read anything so i thought i would put it in simple terms. i didnt understand there post and was thinking they thought that this post was totally different.
and the only reason im willing to give up a highslot is because on a raven i dont no what to do with the to spair ones seriously i dont. once i put little small guns to try and help with frigs but they didnt.
you could say im a newb cause thats what i am.
im terrible at fitting. ( it will take me forever to find a fit and before i find one someone helps me out with one)
and before i posted this i asked a few people if they liked the idea and alot of them did and some opposed are saying what your saying (i should find other ways).
but the reason why im asking for it is because i thought that it would be a nice addition to the game. and that it would make sence for it to be there it just doesnt make sence as to why its not.
someone even told me a lot of people go to station for new drones and i just got lost as to why someone would waste that much time. me i try to reduce the amount of time in a mission by increasing dps output altho im having probs with that and need to train more.
but how can i mission faster if i have to warp to a station to get new drones and there are a tone of warp gates and some are separated from eachother to were you fly 40km to get to the next one (these are examples humor me dont try to say that not all are like that im sure they arent). why am i running around for sumthing that these technilogicly advanced races should already have?
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hired gunman
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Posted - 2009.12.17 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: Erika Bronz
Edited by: Erika Bronz on 17/12/2009 10:44:25
Store some janitors or mechanics in cargo bay. The more you got of them, the faster they repair. No activation needed, just a slaver dog. That's what I would do if I were in space anyway =)
Seriously though, couldn't repair paste do the job?
hey im not familiar with that. does it repair the drones in you bay?
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Erika Bronz
Gallente
The Wyld Hunt
Saints Amongst Sinners
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Posted - 2009.12.23 01:36:00 -
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Originally by: hired gunman
Originally by: Erika Bronz
Edited by: Erika Bronz on 17/12/2009 10:44:25
Store some janitors or mechanics in cargo bay. The more you got of them, the faster they repair. No activation needed, just a slaver dog. That's what I would do if I were in space anyway =)
Seriously though, couldn't repair paste do the job?
hey im not familiar with that. does it repair the drones in you bay?
Tbh I never tried, but I don't believe so. I'm just suggesting it could work that way, if they wanted us to repair drones without fielding them.
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hired gunman
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Posted - 2010.01.16 19:47:00 -
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hey what ever works i just think it would be an awsome feature. i cant afford to loose too many drones i need to focus isk in other directions more usefull.
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Laechyd Eldgorn
Caldari
Endemic Aggression
Exalted.
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Posted - 2010.01.16 23:13:00 -
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I think there should be a module preventing people from undocking if they cannot figure out 10 part questionaire how to fit remote repair module first.
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