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Haraldhardrade
Amarr Pax Amarr
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Posted - 2009.12.16 20:38:00 -
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Dear CCP games.
I watched your new vid on your youtube channel regarding planets in dominion. It was awesome. So CCP, your universe is great. but dont you think its time to uppgrade EVE?
Instead of just this
give us THIS
Caveo of Minmatar , torva vacuus regimen of deus es plurrimi periculosus of bestia
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Night Epoch
Distant Light Galactic Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2009.12.16 20:40:00 -
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Edited by: Night Epoch on 16/12/2009 20:43:02 Edited by: Night Epoch on 16/12/2009 20:42:01 Edited by: Night Epoch on 16/12/2009 20:41:48 Ostensibly New Eden is a dwarf satellite ~100 kiloparsecs (about three hundred thousand light years) from the milky way.
So really we should see an absolutely massive spiral galaxy that covers ~1/3rd of the skybox in every system.
For an example of a real dwarf sattelite check out M31 (Andromeda) and its companion M32 (New Eden would effectively be the small companion to the upper right in this image).
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Pwneth
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Posted - 2009.12.16 20:43:00 -
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It would be awesome if you could see the Milky Way in some systems. A home close enough to see, but far enough to be unreachable.
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Haraldhardrade
Amarr Pax Amarr
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Posted - 2009.12.16 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Night Epoch Edited by: Night Epoch on 16/12/2009 20:43:02
Ostensibly New Eden is a dwarf satellite ~100 kiloparsecs (about three hundred thousand light years) from the milky way.
Yup. Basically what I mean in gameplay terms, is that you can travel through galaxies and even fight over them. Sounds impossible? Well I'm pretty sure that if you described EVE online to anyone in 1995 they would have laughed and called you crazy.
If anyone can implement a feature like galaxies, its CCP games. Caveo of Minmatar , torva vacuus regimen of deus es plurrimi periculosus of bestia
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Dretzle Omega
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.12.16 20:53:00 -
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Edited by: Dretzle Omega on 16/12/2009 20:55:21
Originally by: Haraldhardrade
Originally by: Night Epoch Edited by: Night Epoch on 16/12/2009 20:43:02
Ostensibly New Eden is a dwarf satellite ~100 kiloparsecs (about three hundred thousand light years) from the milky way.
Yup. Basically what I mean in gameplay terms, is that you can travel through galaxies and even fight over them. Sounds impossible? Well I'm pretty sure that if you described EVE online to anyone in 1995 they would have laughed and called you crazy.
If anyone can implement a feature like galaxies, its CCP games.
Sure. Okay.
New Eden is one galaxy. Presuming that New Eden is now "full" (it isn't), let's double the subscriber base and get another galaxy. We could get and fight over 50 galaxies if we get, say, 15 Million subscriptions.
Definitely doable, and they could have done it if they didn't waste their time on those piddly planets. Pfft.
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Night Epoch
Distant Light Galactic Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2009.12.16 20:55:00 -
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Traveling to other galaxies would basically destroy EVE's entire fiction (WH from Milky Way lead to New Eden, then EVE gate collapsed trapping everybody there).
I think always being able to see the MW (as long as it didn't look too obnoxious or get too tiresome to look at in every system) would be a nice little touch to remind every player that there's actually a storyline in EVE.
But traveling to other galaxies and "conquering them" would be silly IMO. Normal galaxies have 400 billion stars. The closest galaxy to New Eden would be the MW, which would be about 100 kpc away ... but the next closest galaxy is Andromeda (M31), which is 200 million light years away (about 60 megaparsecs!) ... that's kindof stretching things, don't you think? (in terms of believability).
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Haraldhardrade
Amarr Pax Amarr
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Posted - 2009.12.16 20:59:00 -
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Edited by: Haraldhardrade on 16/12/2009 21:03:07
Originally by: Night Epoch
But traveling to other galaxies and "conquering them" would be silly IMO.
Normal galaxies have 400 billion stars. The closest galaxy to New Eden would be the MW, which would be about 100 kpc away ... but the next closest galaxy is Andromeda (M31), which is 200 million light years away (about 60 megaparsecs!) ... that's kindof stretching things, don't you think? (in terms of believability).
Yeah, and ships in space dont behave like they are underwater. thats also really silly. CCP would of course adapt the size and amount of systems to match the game.
If there were 100 systems in each galaxy, then with todays EVE size there would be 50 galaxies. Caveo of Minmatar , torva vacuus regimen of deus es plurrimi periculosus of bestia
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Jack bubu
Lyonesse. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.16 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: Haraldhardrade Edited by: Haraldhardrade on 16/12/2009 21:03:07
Originally by: Night Epoch
But traveling to other galaxies and "conquering them" would be silly IMO.
Normal galaxies have 400 billion stars. The closest galaxy to New Eden would be the MW, which would be about 100 kpc away ... but the next closest galaxy is Andromeda (M31), which is 200 million light years away (about 60 megaparsecs!) ... that's kindof stretching things, don't you think? (in terms of believability).
Yeah, and ships in space dont behave like they are underwater. thats also really silly. CCP would of course adapt the size and amount of systems to match the game.
If there were 100 systems in each galaxy, then with todays EVE size there would be 50 galaxies.
75 ;) dont forget the 2.500 wormhole systems they added
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Dretzle Omega
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.12.16 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Haraldhardrade Edited by: Haraldhardrade on 16/12/2009 21:03:07
Originally by: Night Epoch
But traveling to other galaxies and "conquering them" would be silly IMO.
Normal galaxies have 400 billion stars. The closest galaxy to New Eden would be the MW, which would be about 100 kpc away ... but the next closest galaxy is Andromeda (M31), which is 200 million light years away (about 60 megaparsecs!) ... that's kindof stretching things, don't you think? (in terms of believability).
Yeah, and ships in space dont behave like they are underwater. thats also really silly. CCP would of course adapt the size and amount of systems to match the game.
If there were 100 systems in each galaxy, then with todays EVE size there would be 50 galaxies.
So, what's different than what you have now? But instead of conquering regions, you get to call them "galaxies"?
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Napro
Caldari The New Eden Syndicate IMPERIUM.
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Posted - 2009.12.16 22:20:00 -
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new galaxies should be shards...eg eve from day 1.would be fun to get in on the start of a new eve..I know there's gonnna be a ton of old school whiners to this even tho it wouldn't affect them at all but wateva
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Picard Facepalm
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.12.16 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Haraldhardrade If there were 100 systems in each galaxy, then with todays EVE size there would be 50 galaxies.
Originally by: Napro new galaxies should be shards...eg eve from day 1.would be fun to get in on the start of a new eve..I know there's gonnna be a ton of old school whiners to this even tho it wouldn't affect them at all but wateva
/facepalm
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napro3
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Posted - 2009.12.16 22:34:00 -
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See?
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Lexx Khadar
Minmatar Free Minmatar Union
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Posted - 2009.12.16 22:36:00 -
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I was under the impression new eden was just a cluster within a galaxy. I.E. ultimately a drop in the pond compared to the size of the wider galaxy. Thats assuming its the same one earths in.
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Usagi Tsukino
Miyazaki Zaibatsu APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2009.12.16 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: Haraldhardrade If there were 100 systems in each galaxy, then with todays EVE size there would be 50 galaxies.
Why do you assume there are only 100 systems in each galaxy? IIRC, not every solar system has an 'inhabitable' planet in it. Some were terraformed, others are uninhabitable. Very few are 'Earth' planets. As well, if you follow prime fiction, not every solar system is capable of having a gate AND if you continue to follow prime fiction and stay semi realistic, you have to acknowledge that a ship or group of ships must slowboat (warp) their way to a system to build a gate.
Originally by: Lexx Khadar I was under the impression new eden was just a cluster within a galaxy. I.E. ultimately a drop in the pond compared to the size of the wider galaxy. Thats assuming its the same one earths in.
New Eden, again IIRC, is not in the Milky Way - the main reason why no one from New Eden was ever able to return to Earth and why it took 20,000 years for humans to become spaceborn again. ---
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Burnharder
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Posted - 2009.12.16 22:47:00 -
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Scale fail here!
If you're inside a galaxy, you can't see the galaxy itself and other galaxies are so far away you can't see them either (with the naked eye - except a few of course, like Andromeda, which are just faint fuzzy patches).
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Dewa Tukul
Gallente Dewa Brotherhood Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.12.16 22:54:00 -
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2 galaxies means 2 server..50 galaxies means 50 servers!! ----------------------------------------- looking for new recruit atm. |
Sosus Red
Caldari Raata Invicti Undivided
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Posted - 2009.12.16 23:25:00 -
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technically the EVE cluster is made up of a numer of servers, but i know what yu mean
Whats the arguement in this thread about again?
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Night Epoch
Distant Light Galactic Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2009.12.16 23:32:00 -
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Edited by: Night Epoch on 16/12/2009 23:34:47 Edited by: Night Epoch on 16/12/2009 23:34:37 Edited by: Night Epoch on 16/12/2009 23:34:04 Edited by: Night Epoch on 16/12/2009 23:33:36 Edited by: Night Epoch on 16/12/2009 23:33:00 Edited by: Night Epoch on 16/12/2009 23:32:42
Originally by: Burnharder Scale fail here!
If you're inside a galaxy, you can't see the galaxy itself and other galaxies are so far away you can't see them either (with the naked eye - except a few of course, like Andromeda, which are just faint fuzzy patches).
Well, if New Eden is a Dwarf Satellite of the Milky Way only ~100 kiloparsecs away (about twice the distance from the Milky way to the Large Magellanic Cloud, itself a dwarf irregular companion to the MW), then these things would most certainly be true:
1. It'd subtend an absolutely huge angular extent on the sky, probably filling the vast majority of it
2. it'd be really bright - not just a faint fuzzy patch.
Andromeda is just about visible with the naked eye as a very faint grey patch (on a really clear night) that's pretty large on the sky ... but Andromeda is 2 million light years away! Ostensibly the the milky way is only 300,000 light years or so from New Eden.
You'd most definitely see it as very bright and large (but yes, gray) on the sky from New Eden. You'd see it as a big bright band if it's edge on and a big bright disc with very clear spiral structure if face-on with respect to our line of sight from New Eden.
/PhD in astrophysics
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Halcyon Ingenium
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Posted - 2009.12.16 23:40:00 -
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MW in the background, yes. Galaxies that can be traveled to, eh, nah. Not enough people to make it worth anyone's while. CCP has better things to do. __________ I'm just an ordinary Caldari trying to turn an ISK. What's wrong with that? |
Night Epoch
Distant Light Galactic Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2009.12.16 23:44:00 -
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Edited by: Night Epoch on 16/12/2009 23:46:05 Edited by: Night Epoch on 16/12/2009 23:45:16 It wouldn't really look like this, but an artsy and stylized approach to including the MW in every system's skybox (while not making it too distracting or tiresome to look at) might take a note from how it was approached by Bungie in Halo 3 (in their mission "The Ark" ... where Master Chief goes to this forerunner station thing that's outside of the MW)
http://www.ascendantjustice.com/files/cocop/The%20Ark/The%20Ark%20Large/IsThat-large.jpg
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Himnos Altar
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.12.17 00:11:00 -
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Originally by: Napro new galaxies should be shards...eg eve from day 1.would be fun to get in on the start of a new eve..I know there's gonnna be a ton of old school whiners to this even tho it wouldn't affect them at all but wateva
right, because EVE Online ISN'T spending tons of money advertising the single cluster idea.
I agree with a previous poster:
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Blnukem 192
Amarr Revilers Cartel
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Posted - 2009.12.17 02:45:00 -
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Edited by: Blnukem 192 on 17/12/2009 02:47:18
Originally by: Haraldhardrade Edited by: Haraldhardrade on 16/12/2009 21:03:07 Yeah, and ships in space dont behave like they are underwater. thats also really silly. CCP would of course adapt the size and amount of systems to match the game.
If there were 100 systems in each galaxy, then with todays EVE size there would be 50 galaxies.
Do you even know what a galaxy is? Isn't it past your bedtime?
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SHOCKZORS
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Posted - 2009.12.17 03:22:00 -
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Originally by: Dewa Tukul 2 galaxies means 2 server..50 galaxies means 50 servers!!
Isn't our current "cluster" over a hundred servers and can't support 700 man fleet fights without special REINFORCEMENTICATION... lmao
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Yonna Paris
Gallente Hinata House
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Posted - 2009.12.17 08:11:00 -
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To make things even more confusing... several sources (for example, the Eve Strategic Maps book) call New Eden 'The Universe', which is pure rubbish. Just like some previous posters I prefer to see New Eden as a really, really small, but standalone galaxy. Which may or may not be a satellite of our Milky Way. I like the idea of seeing the MW in the distance inside Eve's starfield. |
Saurish
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Posted - 2009.12.17 08:20:00 -
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Edited by: Saurish on 17/12/2009 08:24:59
Interesting, to see so many players here that dont have a clue.
For such galaxy to work, ccp woud be need to throw away hes network framwork and re-write it from scrach and adjust server cluster and add several server's.
But everthing woud/will be easy when we can have quantum server's which can do such work prety easy.
Galaxy
It's already made but not from ccp. If ccp woud implent this, kids woud cry out loud like ****'s.
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Lia Raven
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Posted - 2009.12.17 10:03:00 -
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It wonŠt happen, its not needed and not worthy.
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CCP StevieSG
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Posted - 2009.12.17 10:30:00 -
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Moved to Features and Ideas from EVE General.
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Nieste
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Posted - 2009.12.17 10:42:00 -
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What CCP should do is introduce a new server, with the plan to connect both servers together 1-2 years in the future, to create an even greater playerbase and possible new wars. Depending on the amount of effort they want to put in they could mirror the current world, or to spice things up, create a whole new galaxy.
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Haraldhardrade
Amarr Pax Amarr
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Posted - 2009.12.17 10:47:00 -
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Originally by: Burnharder
If you're inside a galaxy, you can't see the galaxy itself and other galaxies are so far away you can't see them either (with the naked eye - except a few of course, like Andromeda, which are just faint fuzzy patches).
You cant see nebulas with the naked eye either, yet they are in game. Why are so many people being complete idiots without the ability to think out side of the box?
Caveo of Minmatar , torva vacuus regimen of deus es plurrimi periculosus of bestia
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