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Aurelius Valentius Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.12.16 23:27:00 - [1] I am working on a T3 legion for PvE (Exploration/Hacking/T3 component searching) Here is what I have as a starting point - I need advice on the design and practical use/setup. Legion: Emergent Locus Analyzer, Adaptive Augmentor, Power Core Multiplyer, Covert Reconfiguration, Interdiction Nullifier. Modules: T2 Covert Ops Cloak, T2 Hacker Module. Ok, let the stones fly activates cloaking - underlined are obviously important to the role.
Leonore Reynaud	Posted - 2009.12.17 00:13:00 - [2] Edited by: Leonore Reynaud on 17/12/2009 00:14:14 The Legion's main drawback is that the CovOps Subsystem has the DPS output of a wet paper bag. That said, this setup is usable, but it'll still take forever to actually kill any spawns; you're pretty much limited to hacking/looting the cans and then legging it. You can boost the tank by giving it some faction/deadspace love. [Legion, Legion] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Armor Thermic Hardener II Heat Sink II 10MN Afterburner II Codebreaker II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Expanded Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector Legion Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Legion Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Legion Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Aurelius Valentius Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.12.17 00:49:00 - [3] I am thinking of more or a ninja-style approach - that DPS isn't what I am going for - avoidance of combat and just seeking items for hacking/archeology sites and if combat is needed for it to be more like a Covert Ops ship for a Damage Dealing Gang that would come in afterwards. My main goal is that it can sneek around, not get locked-down buy a GC/Bubble, can scan in shortest times, and has the potential to take advantage or any wrecks/cans for looting or any other items lying around that are there for the taking. To that end I am almost thinking "weapons" are rather pointless to the role - sneek (CO Cloak), find (Scanning), grab (Salvager/Hack/Loot) and run (Interdictor)... So I was thinking: Expanded Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Tractor Beam Tracror Beam Salvager Salvager Salvager
Naomi Wildfire Amarr Stardust Heavy Industries Majesta Empire	Posted - 2009.12.17 01:30:00 - [4] You fit those Rigs on the Hull, not on the Subsytems. You can switch them as often as you want without distroying the rigs. Most of the times if you want the hacking stuff you need to fight. No guns, no stuff. Legion is crap All hail the Tengu --- New Horizons Stand your Ground
Aurelius Valentius Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.12.17 01:39:00 - [5] Originally by: Naomi Wildfire You fit those Rigs on the Hull, not on the Subsytems. You can switch them as often as you want without distroying the rigs. Most of the times if you want the hacking stuff you need to fight. No guns, no stuff. Legion is crap All hail the Tengu I am basically scouting - for the corp, no solo stuff... just intel, and then I am the dedicated salvager and such once the grid is clear of hostiles. So I am trying to optimize for the role of covert scout, and salager to free them up for pure damage dealing. I am Amarr, we are forced to use our golden banana's... but they are shiny... hail the shiny ships!
Naomi Wildfire Amarr Stardust Heavy Industries Majesta Empire	Posted - 2009.12.17 01:50:00 - [6] I am amarr too, but this doesnt keep me from using the best of the best of all races ;) --- New Horizons Stand your Ground
w1ndstrike Trans-Aerospace Industries	Posted - 2009.12.17 03:16:00 - [7] Edited by: w1ndstrike on 17/12/2009 03:17:32 Edited by: w1ndstrike on 17/12/2009 03:16:09 well, since you've said you're not really using it for anything else other than scouting and salv, here's a fun fit for you. [Legion, WHgoof] Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Power Diagnostic System II 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Codebreaker II Analyzer II 100MN MicroWarpdrive I Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe I Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Small Tractor Beam I Small Tractor Beam I Salvager II Salvager II Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Legion Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration Legion Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier Legion Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Legion Defensive - Augmented Plating enjoy, it supposedly maxes out at 3.2km/sec , just stick an 800 in the booster and 1 or 2 in the hold before you go.
Aurelius Valentius Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.12.18 00:29:00 - [8] Originally by: w1ndstrike Edited by: w1ndstrike on 17/12/2009 03:17:32 [Legion, WHgoof] Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Power Diagnostic System II 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Codebreaker II Analyzer II 100MN MicroWarpdrive I Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe I Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Small Tractor Beam I Small Tractor Beam I Salvager II Salvager II Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Legion Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration Legion Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier Legion Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Legion Defensive - Augmented Plating enjoy, it supposedly maxes out at 3.2km/sec , just stick an 800 in the booster and 1 or 2 in the hold before you go. Interesting, I would hink that the MWD would be best with the MWD Subsystem as I was thinking more about stealth then speed, being that a Covert Ops works best with native speed as the modules at best can get a pulse in before you go silent/deep with the cloak on. Also thought about Moon Survey work with this ship - that is a whole different deal but might be interesting seeing the way dominion worked in and how T3 can be a bigger Cov. Ops. ship then the T1/T2 variety. Also, can a T3 be done up as a T3 psuedo-blackbird with the right setup for an ECM ship? I am not an expert but it seems like it could mount the 4-5 ECM with some nice bonuses and be a better ship perhaps.
w1ndstrike Trans-Aerospace Industries	Posted - 2009.12.18 09:10:00 - [9] Originally by: Aurelius Valentius Interesting, I would hink that the MWD would be best with the MWD Subsystem as I was thinking more about stealth then speed, being that a Covert Ops works best with native speed as the modules at best can get a pulse in before you go silent/deep with the cloak on. not really, the wake limiter only reduces the signature radius penalty, so the interdiction null is just fine, and gives slightly better agi. Originally by: Aurelius Valentius Also, can a T3 be done up as a T3 psuedo-blackbird with the right setup for an ECM ship? I am not an expert but it seems like it could mount the 4-5 ECM with some nice bonuses and be a better ship perhaps. You'd be looking at a tengu for ECM, iirc its the only one that has subs with bonuses to ECM.
Aurelius Valentius Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.12.19 21:57:00 - [10] So on a bit more research - I have found this to possibly be the case: 1. Legions/T3 are going up in ISK... bad for the buyers, but good for the producers I guess. 2. That the Zephyr can go into a WH and not be molested by the locals (Sleepers), but is toast if someone else is in there - so close but no cigar. 3. That the majority of WH mission runners seem to favor a Harbinger BC - ok, I have one of them. 4. That I still want to try out a Legion regardles just because I already trained the skills and I still think it's the best for the job. Being said, I am still trying to figure out how best to do this, I have scanning down, the latest video comfirmed I was doing that right. Codebreaker/Analyzers I am still just working with theoretical date, haven't actually done that yet (can someone explain these to me?). So, am I still at the best hide-and-go-seek version of the Legion above? or should I try for more of a 2-3 person gang and fit out for more of a "fighting exploration ship"? Thanks, let the stone fly!
w1ndstrike Trans-Aerospace Industries	Posted - 2009.12.19 22:44:00 - [11] Legions when fit properly can solo class 3 wormhole sites with a little effort, you can check Battleclinic for a few fits that work. keep in mind to get a fit that can do enough damage to be worth using you need to ditch the covert subsystem, but that's the case with all T3 ships anyhow.
Aurelius Valentius Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.12.19 23:31:00 - [12] Originally by: w1ndstrike Legions when fit properly can solo class 3 wormhole sites with a little effort, you can check Battleclinic for a few fits that work. keep in mind to get a fit that can do enough damage to be worth using you need to ditch the covert subsystem, but that's the case with all T3 ships anyhow. So what kind of alt setup would that be - with sleepers I know they are omni damage - omni resists? or is there a info section on them somewhere? seems that I can't seem to find much on them in any database(s)... maybe I am just coffee deficient.
juduzz Amarr NibbleTek	Posted - 2009.12.20 00:39:00 - [13] WH legion. Has np with good skills to do 3 wh's, may have to warp out if you **** u the spawn cycle when learning. SUBS: nanobot injector,Liquid crystal mag, fuel catalyst, emergent locust, cap regen matrix Deadspace med rep ( factin may do) AN EAMNx2 faction EM and faction thermic hardener DCU 10mn AB Nice web Large t2 cap battery 5 HPL2 Prototype cloak or prober Rigs: 2xaux nano pump, nanobot accelerator Carry lots of scorch and conflag with t1 ammo
Saint Lazarus Tri-Mining Corp Rising Phoenix Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.20 01:06:00 - [14] Have you thought about just having 2 setups? I use Legion for soloin WH's Cov ops probing fit with salvagers and the Combat fit Probe down WH, go in probe down sites, jump back into highsec, dock, refit Legion for damage, jump back in kick the carp outta sleepers, switch back to cov ops/salvagin version and clean up Salvaging version has 36k tractor range too so it can clean up 3-4 sites in no time. Little ackward but its making use of the vital bonus of T3 ships........you can rearrange the subsystems to fulfill multiple roles. having to switch around is a pain but for each role its absolutely fantastic at it, C3 can take awhile but are very do-able. C1 and C2 may be do-able with covert fit but it'd be so slow that switchin twice would be faster ----------------- My EvE Comic

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