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Halete
Echoes of Korgoth Initiative
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Posted - 2012.06.20 10:42:00 -
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Makkal Hanaya wrote: Given the reaction to Amarrian religious expansion, I'm surprised at the mildness of the views expressed here.
You're preaching to the crowd that consider procuring contracts for medicine from the State 'willfully ignorant' and 'Ammatar at best', because Spirits know that the State would seize the opportunity to exploit us as a commodity, whereas the Federation has never exploited our culture... Right?
For all of our willingness to revolt at the Amarr 'pushing their religion' on us, there's no end to the people who will jump to the defense of the Federation's infectious subversion. ... Clearly there's something to the method. The Vherokior kept our traditions for centuries. The Federation are so far doing more in the Republic's time to damage our culture than caused during the time of the enslavement of our entire race.
The status quo is functional - that doesn't make it right. We have witnessed this in recent history, yet the attitude to not learn from the past I find is rather... damning.
Dirty heretical mud-child, reporting in. |
Seriphyn Inhonores
Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords
134
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Posted - 2012.06.20 11:02:00 -
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Halete wrote:The Federation are so far doing more in the Republic's time to damage our culture than caused during the time of the enslavement of our entire race.
Got a single damned thing to back that up?
The Amarr Empire actively eradicated your culture, as per enslavement policy. As much as it might offend you, "teenagers trying on tattoos" is far from cultural warfare, considering these teenagers give the fad up once they hit adulthood.
In addition, many Minmatar here practice the Voluval and subscribe to a tribe, while believing that a pre-industrialization style of government is outdated. I have the feeling you might say "They are not true Minmatar", but I don't think you have the right to dictate their identity. |
Malcolm Khross
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
330
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Posted - 2012.06.20 11:32:00 -
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Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:... but I don't think you have the right to dictate their identity.
Very good, General Inhonores.
Now, if you can take this sentiment, apply to the Federation and practice it; the continued tension and hostility between our two peoples might someday draw to a close.
~Captain Malcolm Khross, Dyishi Aunni of the Wirykomi Honor Guard Eskeitanen Wiyrkomi Kaashivon Honor Guard Recruitment Video ((OOC WHG PR Video)) |
Sebastian Avary
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.20 11:34:00 -
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I think we're all getting a bit silly - no offense, of course!
People read Gallente comics because they like Gallente comics.
People listen to Gallente music because they like Gallente music.
People wear Gallente fashion because they like Gallente fashion.
In several of my clubs, my clientelle are very happy when I play tribal beats! It's the chic! Some of those customers are Minmatar!
Then, in other establishments, the atmosphere appeals to a more fundamentalist Minmatar crowd. Which is the real point, here - people can choose not to use Gallente products or what-have-you. Whatever makes them happy.
It's personal choice and I'm happy to see people exercise that freedom. And they're happy, too! |
Halete
Echoes of Korgoth Initiative
162
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Posted - 2012.06.20 11:38:00 -
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I find it just quaint when people feel the need to link their sources, as if I haven't read the damned information out there on the GalNet at the very least before forming my opinions.
I'd say more, but I think that Malcolm's sentiment was expressed in a rather succinct manner. Dirty heretical mud-child, reporting in. |
Hans Nardieu
Federal Nationalist Party Federal Consensus Outreach
16
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Posted - 2012.06.20 12:20:00 -
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Halete wrote: The Federation are so far doing more in the Republic's time to damage our culture than caused during the time of the enslavement of our entire race.
I quite concur with General Inhonores and understand his anger at this filth.
Not only does this absurd woman prattle on about how the Caldari, and I'll repeat myself here, a people that have collaborated with slavers time and time again to ensure that the Sons and Daughters of Matar remain in chains, are a more natural alliance than those who turned up in ships to aid the Minmatar in their rebellion, but she goes further. She spouts absurd lies such as the above, lies that would shame a harlot.
Then, when the good General has the temerity to ask her for proof of her disgusting assertions, she reponds in the pithy, petulant manner of a child.
Anyone who sees and paints a sky green and fields blue ought to be sterilised, and it is with such a facile mind that this woman views the world. Col. Hans Nardieu (ret.) Chairman, National Party of the Federated Union of Gallente Prime Office of the Party Headquarters, Villore VII-6 Senate Bureau Station |
Seriphyn Inhonores
Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords
136
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Posted - 2012.06.20 12:48:00 -
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Look, if teenagers adopting your culture for a couple years before moving on is a form of cultural imperialism, then I really think that said culture is a weak pile of trash to begin with. Alternatively, there's some serious misappropriation of priorities if one believes teenagers to be the ultimate threat to your civilization. But you know as much as I do that that is nonsense. The Minmatar Republic is going through a cultural renaissance, along with the Minmatar who inhabit this Federation.
The reason that Gallentean culture has a very wide penetration across New Eden has less to do with the outdated, near-extinct CDS-style cultural colonialism, but more with how damned effective our economic interests are at their job. It has nothing to do with the Provist-fabricated idea that the Gallenteans are meddlesome either, but more with how Federal-style corporations work.
Capitalist corporations were invented on Gallente Prime. They have years of experience with it. Only it was the Caldari who decided to adopt it as a form of government and culture. Gallentean corporations do not need to abide by cultural standards unless it suits them (ie. popular hate against their activities will cut into their profits), and thus they are more in line with Practical-aligned corporations in the State. They care little for culture, unless it can further their goals.
To this end, our corporations have taken the Gallentean cultural aptitude for appealing to the 'core human spirit' (or base human drive, whatever you want to call it), and have exploited the modern, highly-integrated interstellar economy to maximize their profits using this approach.
There has been no cultural meddling by the Federal government since the Jin-Mei joined the Federation. Instead, it has been indirect economic domination that has been interpreted as outsiders as cultural warfare. Maybe the two are interlinked, but you can hardly accuse Federation citizens as accountable for the actions of money-grubbing corporations. |
Malcolm Khross
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
330
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Posted - 2012.06.20 12:49:00 -
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Hans Nardieu wrote: Not only does this absurd woman prattle on about how the Caldari, and I'll repeat myself here, a people that have collaborated with slavers time and time again to ensure that the Sons and Daughters of Matar remain in chains...
This assertion is based on presumption and perspective, not fact. The Caldari State and the Caldari people do not support slavery, nor see it as anything beneficial. Open trade and non-hostile interaction with a nation does not imply complicity to all of that nation's practices. Unless you are trying to suggest that Wiyrkomi and Ishukone (both of whom have business interactions and facilities in Federation space) are collaborating with the Federation for the expansion of the Federation's ideals and the assimilation of the State, or that Ishukone (who has assets in the Republic) are also collaborating with the Republic to undermine and destroy the Empire.
The Caldari do not promote slavery and we often counsel against it, but we do not tell the Empire how to conduct itself and so the Empire will continue to do as it chooses regarding slavery. For our part, slavery is illegal in the State and anyone who enters the State with a slave is arrested.
I understand if you see absurdity in the notion made by EoKI, but do not try and make this into yet another profane the Caldari campaign.
~Captain Malcolm Khross, Dyishi Aunni of the Wirykomi Honor Guard Eskeitanen Wiyrkomi Kaashivon Honor Guard Recruitment Video ((OOC WHG PR Video)) |
Vikarion
State Trade Consortium
25
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Posted - 2012.06.20 14:27:00 -
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Hans Nardieu wrote:I will refer to my earlier speech in which I posited that not all cultures are equal. It is desirable and inevitable that over time an inferior culture will be absorbed by a superior one.
Well, I do hope you enjoy your new Caldari overlords.
What? Ah, but pilot, you've made a fundamental mistake. You've assumed that your culture is the "superior". But time and history have shown us that cultures with an aversion to military service, with an entrenched aristocracy, with an atmosphere of decadence and decay, tend to be the products of failing empires. Your Federation may well be on the way out, not the way up. Perhaps someone will write a multi-volume history of its decline and fall, eh? |
Seriphyn Inhonores
Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords
137
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Posted - 2012.06.20 15:59:00 -
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Vikarion wrote:What? Ah, but pilot, you've made a fundamental mistake. You've assumed that your culture is the "superior". But time and history have shown us that cultures with an aversion to military service, with an entrenched aristocracy, with an atmosphere of decadence and decay, tend to be the products of failing empires. Your Federation may well be on the way out, not the way up. Perhaps someone will write a multi-volume history of its decline and fall, eh?
What history are you reading? The nation of Garoun, with Caille as its cultural heart, has existed for thousands of years. Much longer than the Raata Empire. |
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Mjalnar Gessenier
Strix Defence and Intelligence Strix Defence and Intelligence Syndicate
8
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Posted - 2012.06.20 16:15:00 -
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What I find odd here is that no one has yet discussed the top Gallentean cultural exports in New Eden: The Corporate Model and Free-Market Capitalism. Or do people seem to think that Capitalism and Corporatism came into being with the Caldari and Isuuya, almost 167 years after their first contact? Ah, how it warms my heart that people here are so focused on cultural tropes and forget just how well internalized corporations and capital markets have become that even if, hypothetically, the Federation were to vanish there will always now exist at least a small, very important part of the Gallente left in every single part of New Eden.
Say what you may want about the Federation and Gallentean society but we know capitalism and we know it well, so it's unsurprising that we must accept some degree of flak for our inherent success and ability in competing in free-markets. Even if the apoplectic sputtering of Provist-Patriots in the State over how the other Megas don't accept autarky and trade protectionism as an effective economic model never ceases to be amusing. I suppose being a Patriot Corporation in the State means having to wait for the next Imperial welfare bailout to keep the books in the black due to an inability to compete in a free-market, no?
Vikarion wrote:You've assumed that your culture is the "superior".
It is superior.
The Gallentean cultural values of liberal free-market capitalism, the centralization of capital and assets into corporate institutions and the concepts of the unrestricted movement of goods, speech, thoughts, and ideas to cultivate a cosmopolitan society are the cornerstones of interstellar society. Protected by CONCORD regulations and practiced by every capsuleer in the cluster.
So if you really want to attack Gallentean culture why don't you criticize capsuleers in general and CONCORD for both hold very similar ideas at heart.
Don't get mad that practically every single capsuleer in New Eden are already practicing what it means to be Gallentean and not Caldari, Monsieur Vikarion. |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
317
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Posted - 2012.06.20 16:27:00 -
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Just a quick note: The most successful alliance in New Eden follows a communist structure, rather than a capitalistic one. |
Mjalnar Gessenier
Strix Defence and Intelligence Strix Defence and Intelligence Syndicate
8
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Posted - 2012.06.20 16:30:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Just a quick note: The most successful alliance in New Eden follows a communist structure, rather than a capitalistic one.
Well that all depends on your definition of "success".
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Logan Fyreite
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
10
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Posted - 2012.06.20 16:33:00 -
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Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:What history are you reading? The nation of Garoun, with Caille as its cultural heart, has existed for thousands of years. Much longer than the Raata Empire. And as the Jove have proven, longevity is clearly an indicator of success. |
Malcolm Khross
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
333
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Posted - 2012.06.20 17:06:00 -
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Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:What history are you reading? The nation of Garoun, with Caille as its cultural heart, has existed for thousands of years. Much longer than the Raata Empire.
Garoun Empire: 21658 - 21837 (179 years) Raata Empire: 17453 - 20998 (3545 years)
Garoun is a continent-nation on Gallente Prime. In effect, it is one nation among the whole of (what today is) the Federation.
The Raata Empire was formed by unification of multiple communities (nations) on Caldari Prime and dissolved into other communities after three-and-a-half-thousand years, which then all became the foundations for the megacorporations that governed the State.
What you are suggesting is that because Garoun, a continent-nation is still a continent-nation it is somehow longer standing than the Raata Empire when the two cannot be compared because one is a unity of many nations (the Raata Empire) and the other is a single nation (Garoun). If you want to compare unification attempts, I have provided the duration, in years, of the Garoun Empire and the Raata Empire. ~Captain Malcolm Khross, Dyishi Aunni of the Wirykomi Honor Guard Eskeitanen Wiyrkomi Kaashivon Honor Guard Recruitment Video ((OOC WHG PR Video)) |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
317
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Posted - 2012.06.20 17:06:00 -
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Mjalnar Gessenier wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Just a quick note: The most successful alliance in New Eden follows a communist structure, rather than a capitalistic one. Well that all depends on your definition of "success".
Controls the most space, has the most useful resources, the largest number of pilots, the ability to wage war on hi-security space regardless of CONCORD interference...
How do you define success? |
Desiderya
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
60
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Posted - 2012.06.20 17:17:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: Controls the most space, has the most useful resources, the largest number of pilots, the ability to wage war on hi-security space regardless of CONCORD interference...
How do you define success?
It was impressive, but it didn't last long enough to be a real threat. |
Mjalnar Gessenier
Strix Defence and Intelligence Strix Defence and Intelligence Syndicate
8
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Posted - 2012.06.20 17:19:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:How do you define success?
The triumph of individual identity and liberty over the bland collectivization of thought and ability inherent in communism and the contrived intellectualism of tyrants living in Ivory Towers as they cultivate cults of personality that promote the prostration of sycophantic boot-lickers like yourself to their cause?
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Malcolm Khross
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
334
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Posted - 2012.06.20 17:38:00 -
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Mjalnar Gessenier wrote:What I find odd here is that no one has yet discussed the top Gallentean cultural exports in New Eden: The Corporate Model and Free-Market Capitalism. Or do people seem to think that Capitalism and Corporatism came into being with the Caldari and Isuuya, almost 167 years after their first contact?
Please, please tell me that you do not think the Gallente idea of capitalism and the Caldari idea of corporate capitalism are the same thing. If you do, allow me to educate you on the differences.
The Gallente have what is known as an individual free market economy, where corporations are composed of working individuals each seeking to earn individual wealth. Wealth is measured in comparison to the wealth of other individuals which each individual seeking simply to gain their own wealth.
The Caldari have what is known as corporate capitalism, where megacorporations (which govern the State with divided jurisdictions and act as governor, police and housing authorities) consist of a multitude of other smaller corporations each working within the jurisdiction of the megacorporation. The competition between each megacorporation (drawn from the sub-competition from each product or service producing subordinate corporation against the same product and service of another subordinate corporation within another megacorporation) forces a social-economic structure that benefits everyone involved with lower prices and better services. Even housing is a competition between the megacorporations, so prices must remain competitive and the quality of housing must remain competitive. Wealth is not measured between individuals because the accumulation of wealth is simply a bi-product of competition, efficiency and market shares which are measured on the corporate level.
The models are not the same.
Mjalnar Gessenier wrote:It is superior.
The Gallentean cultural values of liberal free-market capitalism, the centralization of capital and assets into corporate institutions and the concepts of the unrestricted movement of goods, speech, thoughts, and ideas to cultivate a cosmopolitan society are the cornerstones of interstellar society. Protected by CONCORD regulations and practiced by every capsuleer in the cluster.
Emphasis mine. This is the Caldari corporate structure, not the Gallente one. The Gallente, as I explained above, measure capital and assets on an individual level not a corporate one. Corporations are composed entirely of individuals seeking to gain wealth and assets through the corporation and climbing a corporate ladder to increase their pay and assets. This is not a centralization of assets and capital, it is (in fact) a free-market economy.
The Caldari centralize capital and assets on a corporate level which is then leased, sold or distributed by the holding corporation to those under its jurisdiction.
What you have stated is that every capsuleer is practicing what it means to be a capsuleer, not what it means to be a Gallente. ~Captain Malcolm Khross, Dyishi Aunni of the Wirykomi Honor Guard Eskeitanen Wiyrkomi Kaashivon Honor Guard Recruitment Video ((OOC WHG PR Video)) |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
317
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Posted - 2012.06.20 18:11:00 -
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Mjalnar Gessenier wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:How do you define success? The triumph of individual identity and liberty over the bland collectivization of thought and ability inherent in communism and the contrived intellectualism of tyrants living in Ivory Towers as they cultivate cults of personality that promote the prostration of sycophantic boot-lickers like yourself to their cause?
See, the thing is that none of this makes any particular sense. I would suggest that you calm down, take a breath. Perhaps you should take advantage of a Naqam Happy Chip! I understand one of their creators is back with us for a while.
There, now. Are you calm? If so, read on, and then respond.
The triumph of individual identity and liberty is not, necessarily, the only or more important sign of the success of a society. It is not even something every single person wants.
Go! |
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Mjalnar Gessenier
Strix Defence and Intelligence Strix Defence and Intelligence Syndicate
9
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Posted - 2012.06.20 21:08:00 -
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Malcolm Khross wrote:The models are not the same.
I would agree, however a Caldari Megacorporation that practices a vertically integrated subsidiary structure centered around a financial institution that provides venture capital and loans to corporate subsidiaries under its umbrella is practiced just as much in the Federation, the only fundamental difference being in the purpose and structure of subsidiary divisions due to Federal anti-cartel/monopoly regulations. A slight difference, but a difference nonetheless.
I would say you that your concept of individual free-market economics is a more apt description of some form anarcho-capitalism which is not how corporations or capital markets function in the Federation. "Corporate capitalism" as you describe it differs only from how it is practiced in the State in that Federal corporations, in general, centralize capital and assets to ensure maximum profit and rate of return with a focus on personal entrepeneurship and gaining market share. A Federal corporation still "owns" its assets, capital, and facilities and ownership of the corporation is still dictated by shareholders just as they are in the State.
You appear to be grossly oversimplifying things if you think that just because the Federation places a premium on individual talents, abilities and entrepreneurship that Federal corporations function as communal syndicates is an understandable error. You are Caldari, you simply do not understand how corporations and capitalism works in the Federation. It's much the same in the State, except with certain regulations to prevent undue social unrest that might be caused by corporate corruption and exploitative labour practices.
We certainly would not want something akin to the Provist revolution to occur in the Federation just as it did in the State.
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:There, now. Are you calm? If so, read on, and then respond.
I'm always calm Monsiuer Thessalonia. Perhaps you had one too many lobotomies courtesy of Kuvakei to properly recognize a flippant jab at your expense for what it was.
Or you could always slot in a social adaptation chip. You appear in dire need of one. |
Malcolm Khross
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
334
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Posted - 2012.06.20 21:55:00 -
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Mjalnar Gessenier wrote: You appear to be grossly oversimplifying things if you think that just because the Federation places a premium on individual talents, abilities and entrepreneurship that Federal corporations function as communal syndicates is an understandable error. You are Caldari, you simply do not understand how corporations and capitalism works in the Federation. It's much the same in the State, except with certain regulations to prevent undue social unrest that might be caused by corporate corruption and exploitative labour practices.
I'm afraid your first sentence doesn't make a lot of sense, there's missing punctuation or words somewhere because it simply doesn't flow correctly in its current form. This is not an attempt at a petty jab, it is a sincere statement because I simply cannot understand your intended point and for that, I apologize.
However, I would inform you that I have done a significant amount of research into the capitalistic practices of the Federation and the State because I once believed they were quite the same, as you do. Research proves they are not, however. The corporate structure is, of course, similar, but the purpose, place and practice of capitalism in both nations is very, very different. I would try to explain it here but it's a lot to put down and this thread isn't really about Caldari corporate structure versus Gallente free market structure. ~Captain Malcolm Khross, Dyishi Aunni of the Wirykomi Honor Guard Eskeitanen Wiyrkomi Kaashivon Honor Guard Recruitment Video ((OOC WHG PR Video)) |
Scherezad
Hobgoblin Marketeers
67
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Posted - 2012.06.20 22:01:00 -
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Malcolm Khross wrote:I would try to explain it here but it's a lot to put down and this thread isn't really about Caldari corporate structure versus Gallente free market structure.
This is a marvelous idea, Khross-haan. Such a thread would be a great addition. |
Makkal Hanaya
Drakenburg
180
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Posted - 2012.06.20 22:31:00 -
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Malcolm Khross wrote:Mjalnar Gessenier wrote:You appear to be grossly oversimplifying things if you think that just because the Federation places a premium on individual talents, abilities and entrepreneurship that Federal corporations function as communal syndicates is an understandable error. I'm afraid your first sentence doesn't make a lot of sense, there's missing punctuation or words somewhere because it simply doesn't flow correctly in its current form. "You appear to be grossly oversimplifying things. If you think that Federal corporations function as communal syndicates just because the Federation places a premium on individual talents, abilities, and entrepreneurship, you are making an understandable error." although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
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Korsavius
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
15
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Posted - 2012.06.20 22:44:00 -
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Being a child of.."complicated" backgrounds, I can't fully say my opinion on Gallente cultural influence.
I certainly have nothing against them, save for the right-wing extremists. I think we can all admire a nation founded upon the principles of freedom and justice. What defines those two terms, however, is an entirely different debate. Personally, I also highly admire the Gallente ideal of progression. This is a belief both the Caldari and Gallente share. I remember quite fondly the few times I visited the Crystal Boulevard in Caille. Gallente architecture and fashion certainly draws in influence from a varying amount of artwork...
As with a number of other pilots have already stated, however, the Gallente have a rather annoying tendency to "force" their ideals upon those who don't share them. |
Makkal Hanaya
Drakenburg
181
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Posted - 2012.06.20 22:47:00 -
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Scherezad wrote:One of the major differences between our views on capitalism and the corporate culture is that, in the State, there is a strong social pressure for the executives to avoid indulging themselves or being wasteful with their profits. We call such people kakkushuugista, and it's a wholly negative term. They lose their face when they behave this way. The rise of Tibus Heth was amongst accusing shouts of kakkushuugista, kakkushuugista! It's for this that good Khross-haan claims that Heths' rise was something of a restoration. Sadly, in ridding us of the kakkushuugista, we seemed to have acquired a generation of hnolkugistas, and I'm unsure whether it's a good trade. I have no problem with that as long as the person judging whether someone is being too indulgent or wasteful is an executive themselves. A worker does not know the expectations and demands of being an executive and so is in no position to criticize them.
although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
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Seriphyn Inhonores
Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords
142
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Posted - 2012.06.20 23:26:00 -
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Since Gessanier is doing a better job than me at articulating (not that I consider the realities of his or even my own points a good thing), I'll just point out that the Kingdom of Central Garoun, the Garoun Empire's successor state, has lasted since the latter's collapse. |
Scherezad
Hobgoblin Marketeers
67
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Posted - 2012.06.20 23:57:00 -
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Makkal Hanaya wrote:I have no problem with that as long as the person judging whether someone is being too indulgent or wasteful is an executive themselves. A worker does not know the expectations and demands of being an executive and so is in no position to criticize them.
Shaatei laantsu. Sejikiin laantsu. Shaatei yn sejikiin laanara
The workers do not speak. The executives do not speak. The workers and the executives, speak.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
378
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Posted - 2012.06.21 01:18:00 -
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How do I feel about Gallente cultural influence...
I feel it's their most successful method of waging war. I also feel it's their one redeeming value. The Gallente should quit playing at battleships and focus on exporting their culture - if they do, I wager within 200 years we'll all be Gallente. |
Vikarion
State Trade Consortium
25
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Posted - 2012.06.21 01:35:00 -
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Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:Vikarion wrote:What? Ah, but pilot, you've made a fundamental mistake. You've assumed that your culture is the "superior". But time and history have shown us that cultures with an aversion to military service, with an entrenched aristocracy, with an atmosphere of decadence and decay, tend to be the products of failing empires. Your Federation may well be on the way out, not the way up. Perhaps someone will write a multi-volume history of its decline and fall, eh? What history are you reading? The nation of Garoun, with Caille as its cultural heart, has existed for thousands of years. Much longer than the Raata Empire.
Indeed. That would be precisely the point, no? |
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