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Sasanid
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Posted - 2009.12.17 17:34:00 -
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Phoon has more speed ,dps, is cap stable and has better resists.
Raven errr... has what?
So how the hell raven is better?
With t1 fit 5x cruise and t1 sentries phoon have more dps than 6x cruise raven
Anyone can tell mi why?
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2009.12.17 17:48:00 -
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 Originally by: Sasanid
Phoon has more speed ,dps, is cap stable and has better resists.
Raven errr... has what?
So how the hell raven is better?
With t1 fit 5x cruise and t1 sentries phoon have more dps than 6x cruise raven
Anyone can tell mi why?
I just want to clarify a few things:
- You are complaining about the Raven as a mission runner.
- Why does it matter if the Phoon has more DPS than a Raven? You are aware that this has always been the case, right?
- The Raven is shield tanked. This is a huge advantage for PVE.
- The Raven requires much less skill to run (both player an pilot)
- The Raven has the mids for painters
In the end, why does it matter if the Raven is no longer ZOMG-Only-Ship-To-Run-Missions-With?
-Liang
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Sasanid
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Posted - 2009.12.17 18:45:00 -
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You are wrong Liang i am not complaining about raven.
I am complaining about typhoon being underestimated in the favour of Raven
That is why i am asking for
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2009.12.17 18:48:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 17/12/2009 18:48:47
Originally by: Sasanid
You are wrong Liang i am not complaining about raven.
I am complaining about typhoon being underestimated in the favour of Raven
That is why i am asking for
Then I would consider the big advantages of the Raven to be shield tanking (4 damage mods and crystals) and the mids to effectively fit a painter.
-Liang
Ed: Oh, and then the CNR and Golem. WWWWIIIIINNNNNN....
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Yerotun
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Posted - 2009.12.17 19:31:00 -
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raven is for nubbins runnin their nubbin lvl 4's because it is probbaly the most simple BS to get into , and run the missions effectivly. Where with the phoon, you are looking at many many different core systems to be able to run the lvl 4 without going down to the first scramming rat. Oh, an autos and torps work better on the phoon, great for murdering angels, and any of the others you can get to within 22km of or so. plus with the phoon you have a full compliment of drones. BUt then again that is whole nother set of skills
Raven = missiles, and a few shield skills to get through a lvl4
Phoon = many sp in armor, projectile weaps, missiles, drones, capacitor, and a decent natural recharge to shields isn't so bad.
So again Raven is simple, phoon takes some work, and there is your answer. |
Trebor Whettam
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Posted - 2009.12.17 19:35:00 -
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The Typhoon works better on paper than in practice for missions.
Without the missile speed bonus, you'll often lose multiple volleys if you forget to terminate early or miss count. You have to armor tank it if you want to use a target painter (and you do), which makes it pretty much impossible to fit a fourth BCS. And the extra drone bandwidth is only partially useful, because light drones munch through elite frigs faster than anything (unless you are lucky enough to catch them on approach). Less importantly, the Typhoon is flimsier if equivalent tanks are equiped.
On the field, the Raven will apply more effective dps while also being easier to use. That doesn't mean the Phoon sucks, however.
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Yerotun
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Posted - 2009.12.17 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Trebor Whettam
The Typhoon works better on paper than in practice for missions.
Without the missile speed bonus, you'll often lose multiple volleys if you forget to terminate early or miss count. You have to armor tank it if you want to use a target painter (and you do), which makes it pretty much impossible to fit a fourth BCS. And the extra drone bandwidth is only partially useful, because light drones munch through elite frigs faster than anything (unless you are lucky enough to catch them on approach). Less importantly, the Typhoon is flimsier if equivalent tanks are equiped.
On the field, the Raven will apply more effective dps while also being easier to use. That doesn't mean the Phoon sucks, however.
all it comes down to, is it is much much easier to skill for the raven then any other bs out there. |
Trebor Whettam
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Posted - 2009.12.17 21:54:00 -
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The Dominix blows away the Raven in terms of ease of training.
The Raven is popular because it's easy to get very fast mission times, super easy to use, effective against every faction, and on the path to the CNR and Golem.
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Caleidascope
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Posted - 2009.12.18 07:57:00 -
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Once upon a time, in a galaxy far far away, typhoon had only 4 missile bays.
The fifth missile bay that we have now is only recent addition.
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Thirzarr
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Posted - 2009.12.18 12:17:00 -
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Use what you like.
Sentry Drones + (some heavy missile) + (some heavy gun)
Armor Tanked (no/few damage mods but painters)
or
Med Drone + cruise
Shield tanked (no painters but lots of dmg mods)
just pick what you like. But if you want to get into a golem -> raven and skill up torps
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NyteTyger
Gallente
NiteSun Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.12.18 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: Trebor Whettam
The Dominix blows away the Raven in terms of ease of training.
The Raven is popular because it's easy to get very fast mission times, super easy to use, effective against every faction, and on the path to the CNR and Golem.
I disagree. The Domi is an awesome ship, and easy to skill into, but it doesn't really start to outclass the Raven for easy mission running until you get T2 Sentries, and that's a longer train.
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Trebor Whettam
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Posted - 2009.12.18 18:09:00 -
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Ah, I misunderstood what you meant by easiest to skill for.
No ship becomes a viable level 4 mission platform quicker than the Dominix, since it's so easy to give it a monster tank and passable drone dps. However, the Raven will outpace it quickly as missile support and drone skills are improved.
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GGjita
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Posted - 2009.12.18 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Sasanid
You are wrong Liang i am not complaining about raven.
I am complaining about typhoon being underestimated in the favour of Raven
That is why i am asking for
The problem is that you are comparing two ships that really shouldn't be compared. I say this because in order to fly the phoon effectively you need a ton more sp in a lot of different things than the raven does. In reality by the time you could really be flying the phoon as a steam roller ship sp wise you could prolly almost be into a Golem if you went the raven route. Once you get into the golem there isn't really any ship that is better (sure there are better ships vs certain rats).
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Birdman Ravo
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Posted - 2009.12.19 03:58:00 -
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I'm going with the mainstream on this one, as a pilot who's flown both the Raven and the Typhoon. It's really apples to onions. The Raven is easy to set up, easy to tank, and has lots of proven PVE fits out there. The Typhoon takes lots of skill points, forethought, and just about all your lows, mids, and rigs to tank right in PVE, leaving your DPS left to the mercy of your skill points.
So, my $0.02 on this is the same as in the CNR / SNI vs Golem debate. The Raven is a better PVE ship unless you have the skills to properly fly a Typhoon. Then, your Typhoon will show it's real potential. Both will ultimately be left behind in favor of a faction ship or Marauder, that's just the PVE ladder we all climb.
FWIW - I don't like the Typhoon Fleet Issue one bit. I greatly like my Typhoon because it's a Tech 1 shield tankable missile boat that's not a Raven. It's the only one of it's kind. So why does TFI, pound for pound and low slot for low slot, not passive tank like it's standard issue?
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Von Kapiche
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.12.19 08:54:00 -
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The raven has the disadvantage of being the most boring thing you'll ever fly, I think I had more fun the three times I've flown a Hulk. At least I don't mind being reckless in them.
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Dacryphile
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Posted - 2009.12.19 18:19:00 -
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Raven doesn't need speed. You warp in, do the Fkey dance, and activate your shield booster once in awhile.
Raven > CNR > golem which has awesome dps. Raven is the first step, not the last.
Cap stable doesn't matter. There are stable raven fits out there, but really its just a convenience in pve.
Originally by: Doc Robertson
...take a good look at this pic and tell us which one is you.
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Incipus
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Posted - 2009.12.19 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: Sasanid
Phoon has more speed ,dps, is cap stable and has better resists.
Raven errr... has what?
So how the hell raven is better?
With t1 fit 5x cruise and t1 sentries phoon have more dps than 6x cruise raven
Anyone can tell mi why?
I don't suppose you noticed the torp range bonus on the raven?
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