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Aleutian II
Caldari
FireStar Inc
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Posted - 2009.12.17 20:30:00 -
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ccp please fix the problem with technetium it is out of control currently
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Neddy Fox
Gallente
Paxton Industries
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2009.12.17 20:31:00 -
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It's getting out of control.
We do agree on the armor plates, but the microprocessor 'fix' broke the markets.
Building HICs for 200M isn't really what we want !
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Erehwon Rorschach
Salvation Army.
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Posted - 2009.12.17 20:37:00 -
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fix whys does it need fixing its just going to take while for it to settle as far as i can tell its working as planned just have to be patient
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Neddy Fox
Gallente
Paxton Industries
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2009.12.17 20:41:00 -
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If you're Atlas, you'd say this.
Ever seen the distribution of these moons, and who controls 90% of them?
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.12.17 22:14:00 -
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Oh boy, if only somebody would have bothered to analyze this issue in advance... or if only somebody would have specifically warned them about it in time... too bad nobody did that, right ?
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Kuar Z'thain
Fraser's Finest
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Posted - 2009.12.17 23:18:00 -
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 Originally by: Akita T
Oh boy, if only somebody would have bothered to analyze this issue in advance... or if only somebody would have specifically warned them about it in time... too bad nobody did that, right ?
WE DIDN'T LISTEN!
<3 Akita
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2009.12.18 00:04:00 -
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Who figured that fixing moon gold by changeing BPO requirments , which basiclly is just shifting gold somewhere else should be fired.
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Baka Lakadaka
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.12.18 03:05:00 -
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The only way this will get fixed is for people to get out there and do what they need to do.
Pick a material that's in short supply, mine it, react it, manufacture it, make the supply better and prices will come down.
CCP really don't need to do anything - in fact doing something now will only make it worse. Those that are acting to fix the supply would have to readjust, meaning even longer to get to stability.
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mechtech
SRS Industries
SRS.
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Posted - 2009.12.18 03:23:00 -
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Originally by: Baka Lakadaka
The only way this will get fixed is for people to get out there and do what they need to do.
Pick a material that's in short supply, mine it, react it, manufacture it, make the supply better and prices will come down.
CCP really don't need to do anything - in fact doing something now will only make it worse. Those that are acting to fix the supply would have to readjust, meaning even longer to get to stability.
Unfortunately the heart of the problem is that demand will outstrip peak production. It's actually arguable that Tech use is actually well above the actual supply, because stockpiles are dumping in addition to the normal market suppliers. Once the stocks dry up, Akita expects a price of 150-200k or so.
The upside is that Dyso and Dyso related reactions are still dropping, so in the end things should end up about as they were, except with Tech as the new bottleneck.
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Jita Chiquita
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.12.18 03:30:00 -
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adapt or die
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Roemy Schneider
Vanishing Point.
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Posted - 2009.12.18 05:03:00 -
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everything was mentioned 1-2months before dominion struck.
yes, it's epic fail but i don't care anymore. i made 70bil just by investing 10bil in platinum. wish i had had the balls for more but my belief in CCP fixing _such_ an obvious screw up let me down yet again.
so what if amarr t2 ships cost more than gallente...? at least it reflects the current state of ship balance -.-
dunno how they're going to justify the geographical technetium imbalance though, unless it's some stealth smack about how the NC needs that money..... 
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Kalnov
Gallente
Problematique Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.18 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Oh boy, if only somebody would have bothered to analyze this issue in advance... or if only somebody would have specifically warned them about it in time... too bad nobody did that, right ?
Loved your posts. Also this.
Originally by: Jita Chiquita
adapt or die
And this.
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Aleutian II
Caldari
FireStar Inc
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Posted - 2009.12.18 12:15:00 -
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I wasn't massively clear in my original post what i was meaning
adapting is easy as theres no choice but to stop building or buy the stuff so thats not the issue really, when ship prices adjust to match the new amount i will build again
the main argument i am making is that the changes were made to stop 1 or 2 single types of materials from being worth fortunes
if ccp wanted it like this with technetium then why change it at all as it was just as bad with Ferrofluid, Prometium and Dysporite
its just replacing one problem with another
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Amy Wang
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Posted - 2009.12.18 12:47:00 -
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Indeed it makes no sense.
Indeed there has been ample warning this would happen thanks to Akita and some other number crunshers.
CCP did not listen or did not care.
It is almost as if they wanted to deliberately strenghten the inhabitans of the North over the rest of eve by handing them a bigger goldmine then ever.
Maybe this is something the CSM should investigate, but who are we kidding all they have in mind is breaching the NDA for their own financial advantage anyway, dont they?
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.12.18 13:21:00 -
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If you're into teorycrafting and you assume CCP knows what they're doing (I LOLed internally while typing that), it might as well be viewed as a pre-emptive move made intentionally by CCP in order to liquidate (to some degree) existing Technetium/Platinum/Neodymium/Chromium/Cadmium stockpiles for the introduction of "man-hour-of-effort" sourced moon minerals (via, oh, dunno, the comets they've been talking about for ages).
This is so incredibly convoluted and unlike CCP that it's downright unbelievable (literally).
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CSI Eve
Caldari
atomic comic
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Posted - 2009.12.18 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Amy Wang
It is almost as if they wanted to deliberately strenghten the inhabitans of the North
or weaken goons in the first place
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Kalrand
Charles Ponzi School of Business
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.12.18 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: CSI Eve
Originally by: Amy Wang
It is almost as if they wanted to deliberately strenghten the inhabitans of the North
or weaken goons in the first place
Because we know they would never do that.
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Wyehr
Rage of Inferno
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Posted - 2009.12.18 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: Aleutian II
the main argument i am making is that the changes were made to stop 1 or 2 single types of materials from being worth fortunes
if ccp wanted it like this with technetium then why change it at all as it was just as bad with Ferrofluid, Prometium and Dysporite
its just replacing one problem with another
You do understand that there is no way to perfectly balance this, right? When the market reaches equilibrium, there has to be one or more bottleneck and everything else will exist in excess of demand, leading to unsold stockpiles (and thus low prices).
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.12.18 17:23:00 -
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Well, you can make it so that there are several bottlenecks of roughly the same "width" if you fine-tune enough of the components, but it's very hard to pull that off with the way the simple and complex reactions are currently set up - you'd have to modify both a lot of the T2 component manufacture ratios and heavily tweak T2 component makeup in T2 ships all over again.
I'm not saying it's impossible, I even set up those spreadsheets of mine to allow quick tweaks to attempt to make exactly that, but the only way I managed to even remotely balance the "top 5" bottlenecks was by such radical shifts you might as well dump the whole system and start from scratch instead.
P.S. If the OP thinks that the technetium "is out of control currently", he should wait a couple more months, then he can look back to today and go "well, I guess it was not totally out of control yet".
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Aleutian II
Caldari
ThunderStar Inc
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Posted - 2009.12.18 19:00:00 -
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yep true its only going to get worse in my opinion
as goes bottlenecks we already had some but it was changed to this to try and fix those bottlenecks.
in the end i guess we will just get a new set of unrefined reactions to deal with it then when its getting semi balanced again we can get a change to the numbers to balance this problem and create a brand new one with another material
the solutions i would say to the moon issue is it requires a change of approach to make it not reliant on a static resource.
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Dretzle Omega
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.12.18 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Aleutian II
the solutions i would say to the moon issue is it requires a change of approach to make it not reliant on a static resource.
This ^^ They did so good with mining. (Well, not that the mining career is particularly lucrative.) And, well, everything else. Things spawn as much as people are willing to invest time into it. If one area gets too lucrative it is recognized, people enter field, and prices stabilized.
Why should moon goo be different in principle? As with mining and plexes and so forth, good stuff still comes from 0.0, but yes, it's too static.
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Forranz
Malice.
Tentative Nature
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Posted - 2009.12.18 21:50:00 -
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Look what they did to Neurovisual Input Matrix (NIMs) ....
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2009.12.19 04:59:00 -
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The fix should have been quite simple. Change Alchemy to use R8's or Gasses instead of R16's. That was all that was needed. Then while the moons would still be quite valuable, there would be a cap on how high they could go in relation to POS fuel cost / effort. The same mechanic as is in invention.
This was blatantly obvious at least 18 months ago. The best fix is a player driven fix, where you're guaranteed of balance because the value will be set based on how much reward people want from putting in the significant effort to provide an alternative supply. Not the situation as current where the supply is still fixed at a very low level.
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Evil Edna
Krazny Oktyabr Revolyutsiya
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Posted - 2009.12.19 15:14:00 -
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Damien Smith
Krazny Oktyabr Revolyutsiya
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Posted - 2009.12.19 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Edna
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Avar Davola
Krazny Oktyabr Revolyutsiya
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Posted - 2009.12.19 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Damien Smith
Originally by: Evil Edna
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John Fabrian
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Posted - 2009.12.19 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Avar Davola
Originally by: Damien Smith
Originally by: Evil Edna
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Katesha
Amarr
Krazny Oktyabr Revolyutsiya
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Posted - 2009.12.19 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: John Fabrian
Originally by: Avar Davola
Originally by: Damien Smith
Originally by: Evil Edna
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oniplE
MeMento.
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Posted - 2009.12.19 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Oh boy, if only somebody would have bothered to analyze this issue in advance... or if only somebody would have specifically warned them about it in time... too bad nobody did that, right ?
I bought at 18k, thanks :)
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