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zombiedeadhead
Minmatar The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.12.17 22:43:00 -
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This is beautiful, makes me feel, well, awestruck tbh.
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Mentorm
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.12.18 00:15:00 -
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I have two things in my head after seeing that.
1. There has got to be life out there somewhere.
2. Even with evolution and all the evidence that there isn't a Christian/Muslim/Hindu or any other denomination God in heaven. Something intelligent must have kicked all this off. I can't be comfortable with the idea that all of this was just a series of trillions of random events that just lead to me being here watching that video.
My head hurts....
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Aisu Pai
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Posted - 2009.12.18 00:27:00 -
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Makes the EVE galaxy seem pitifully small, doesn't it?
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.12.18 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: Mentorm I have two things in my head after seeing that.
1. There has got to be life out there somewhere.
2. Even with evolution and all the evidence that there isn't a Christian/Muslim/Hindu or any other denomination God in heaven. Something intelligent must have kicked all this off. I can't be comfortable with the idea that all of this was just a series of trillions of random events that just lead to me being here watching that video.
My head hurts....
Why not?
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karma militia
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Posted - 2009.12.18 02:03:00 -
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Originally by: Mentorm
2. Even with evolution and all the evidence that there isn't a Christian/Muslim/Hindu or any other denomination God in heaven. Something intelligent must have kicked all this off. I can't be comfortable with the idea that all of this was just a series of trillions of random events that just lead to me being here watching that video.
My head hurts....
Well, that would imply that another intelligent life-form must have created the one who created us.
...and for good measure. *hits you in the head with a plank of wood*
Originally by: Corwain
The human race is going extinct soon and you all ****ing deserve it.
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Grimpak
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.12.18 02:50:00 -
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Originally by: Mentorm 2. Even with evolution and all the evidence that there isn't a Christian/Muslim/Hindu or any other denomination God in heaven. Something intelligent must have kicked all this off. I can't be comfortable with the idea that all of this was just a series of trillions of random events that just lead to me being here watching that video.
My head hurts....
here's a retort for you: Chaos theory. ---
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Marz Ghola
Minmatar Killed In Action
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Posted - 2009.12.18 03:50:00 -
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Far too large for a human mind to comprehend. Hence we fall back to enjoying the ignorance of religion.
Gods did it
Scary sh@t
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Brujo Loco
Amarr Brujeria Teologica
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Posted - 2009.12.18 04:44:00 -
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Everytime I see something like this, something that places us in scale to the known universe I can only cry.
For It will never be enough for my mortal shell to even glance at the vastness of this strange universe on wich I reside for a brief period of time.
Life, dreams, hopes, nightmares and hatreds, our very own lives they all shrivel when you see life itself as a mere piece of this gigantic puzzle we call existence.
I weep for the lost, for we are them.
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Viva VENEZUELA!!! Archipelago Theory
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Fi Vantage
Minmatar Kha'rific-Mintor Outriders.
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Posted - 2009.12.18 05:26:00 -
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Not exactly the total perspective vortex, was that video.
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Lieff
Over Dosed
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Posted - 2009.12.18 06:38:00 -
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Interesting video though it lacked detail.
One problem I have is the urban myth that our radio waves have travelled so far.
Technically they have, but beyond approx 1 LY they are just a mush of static sound which cannot be distinguished from the background noise of the universe.
Is there life out there? Yes. Will we ever find it and / or communicate with it? No. ~ Woke up, got myself a gun. |
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Amarrian Alt
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Posted - 2009.12.18 07:45:00 -
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Originally by: Lieff ever
Quite a statement from a civilization that still uses combustion engines.
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Wen Jaibao
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2009.12.18 08:36:00 -
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Originally by: Lieff Interesting video though it lacked detail.
One problem I have is the urban myth that our radio waves have travelled so far.
Technically they have, but beyond approx 1 LY they are just a mush of static sound which cannot be distinguished from the background noise of the universe.
Not really. They are a constant signal on a small set of wavelengths, and any intelligence listening would probbably not be able to decipher it but they would be able to tell it was not of natural origin and would be able to determine the source and send a probe out if they so choose.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.12.18 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: Lieff
Will we ever find it and / or communicate with it? No.
Pretty presumtious answer.
I find it arrogant.
I do belive at some point we will discover life in the universe. If I am alive to see it is a while different matter. Indeed, the huma race might even have evolved beyond waht we are now.
But I do think humas or future humas will see life out there. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Reiisha
Evolution IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.18 10:50:00 -
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Originally by: Lieff Is there life out there? Yes. Will we ever find it and / or communicate with it? No.
That's just from the viewpoint of our limited lifespan. At one point it was impossible to fly, go to the moon or even sail around the earth - It was "proven" to be impossible untill a few hundred years later people did it anyway.
Same will happen here. Don't presume you know everything, because no one does, and no one ever will.
"If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all"
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2009.12.18 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: Lieff Will we ever find it and / or communicate with it? No.
I can agree with this, depending on who you mean by we.
Will any of us alive (or anyone part of this society) ever communicate with it? You never know but most probably not.
Who knows what a version of the human race may be up to in the year 65,000?
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Angeltara
Black Rise Angels Distant Drums
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Posted - 2009.12.18 17:13:00 -
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Actually, the late great Carl Sagan, did a mathmatical exercise here
http://www.hyperhistory.com/online_n2/civil_n2/prehistory_n2/alien.html
on the possibility of us finding and engaging with extraterrestrial life, and it basically boils down to the fact that, as the expansiveness of space almost guarantees the existance of extraterrestrial life, that it is the same vastness that will limit our ability to communicate and interact with it. The possibility of finding life, that is neither basic (ie, cavemen) or deceased (destroyed by their own advancements) is very remote. But indeed a possibility. Perhaps, it is more realistic to say, we would more likely find interdimensional intelligence, before finding extraterrestrial intelligence?
On another point, one man's religion is another man's science. Philosphy states, that there are at least two sides to every argument. You cannot have nothing, without the witness of existance.
Heeeeree, pass it one duuude....
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Complete Tart
STD Scientific
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Posted - 2009.12.18 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Mentorm
1. There has got to be life out there somewhere.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is moron tbqfh
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2009.12.19 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Angeltara as the expansiveness of space almost guarantees the existence of extraterrestrial life, that it is the same vastness that will limit our ability to communicate and interact with it.
Ever play a video game and when you could beat the game you just stalemate the pc and keep gaining resources/growing/whatever you feel like doing? Knowing the limitations on the PC, imposed by either game design or AI flaw, you put these restrictions on the PC so it can't leave this manageable little bubble you created while you do as you wish.
Sometimes when I think of space travel, it seems almost like someone designed it so we couldn't spread out very easily or very far. It always comes down to the distances involved and the in-ignorable obstacles presented by travel approaching the speed of light.
It sounds silly but sometimes it seems like the deck was stacked against us, or it could just be lack of imagination.
Not to sidetrack but this is an acceptable answer to any posed paradox. Our brains are possibly lol tiny and weak.
Now you can take this as the very rules of the game were designed to keep us from spreading (god), accepted variables such as distance and speed were actually designed.
Perhaps simply we were seeded here because of the nice remote location keeping us isolated (advanced but normal lifeforms put us here). Imagine how many planets w/ composition/temperature/orbit there must be like earth to choose from. Without life already? The number would be staggering.
A location like where we are seems like it would be the ideal location for an experiment.
Fun to think about, but then i laugh and come to my senses because I know it's just a random trait of nature. No one actually 'designed' it.
....or did they? /queue creepy spooky music
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karma militia
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Posted - 2009.12.19 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
....or did they? /queue creepy spooky music
Anyway, the speed of light might not be a limitation in our quest of space exploration.
(gets to it about half-way through) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4PCnEXYTkA&NR=1
Originally by: Corwain
The human race is going extinct soon and you all ****ing deserve it.
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Mathhew Kane
Minmatar Gradient
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Posted - 2009.12.19 17:25:00 -
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How does one gather evidence that something doesn't exist? I thought science mostly dealt with things that we can physically test. How does one prove to the extent that you can make it a scientific or mathematical law that God doesn't exist? How indeed is someone able to say, "Ghost's do not exist at all" with 100% certainty?
You can't. Ironically , one must take a leap of faith and say "I do not believe in Ghost's"
That is perhaps what turns me off most about these "new atheist" (who aren't even all that new. They simply rehash the same arguments that have been around for as long as their has been a belief in a God), they refuse to admit for the most part that even their belief system requires some faith.
And since I am on a bit of a rant, another of my favorite prejudices is that we believers in general don't believe or understand the basics of logic and that science is the devil.
Wouldn't Theology in and by itself show that we Christians do have a foundation of logic behind us? How does anyone read any of the works by the great Doctors of the Church, like St. Thomas Aquinas and conclude that we're ignorant beings who can't appreciate the realities of life?
As for science, how in the world do the likes of Dawkins (sic I'm sure) and other "neo-atheists" of his ilk claim that a majority of us don't understand or work against basic scientific principle? For the love of God, genetics got it's start from a Catholic Monk! The "Dark Ages" where filled with advances in art, astronomy, engineering, animal husbandry, and book making! It was because of the works of Various religious orders that much of what we have and know from the Roman Empire survived as long as it has!
/pants
/end rant
-------------------------------------------------- Loyalty is simply slavery of ones own choosing. If ever you have the choice, Choose your master well."
My Step Father, Isikile Kane.
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Haxfar Portlaind
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Posted - 2009.12.19 18:54:00 -
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Hmm, I can't stop wondering what people whould call "life". What the science finds will most likely not be hollywood like.
Whould they be carbon based? Are they evolved out of water? (our moon played a vital part in our evolution, without it, no land based life.) Do they need oxygen? Do we have the same way to "think"? (nerve-system and a brain) Have they developed culture? (even if it isn't like we understand it.) etc...
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goodby4u
Valor Inc. Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2009.12.19 20:39:00 -
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While this video spawns awe at the vastness of our space, it has also given me a sense of sadness as we have yet to proceed beyond our moon.
The human race indeed has a long way to go.
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Complete Tart
STD Scientific
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Posted - 2009.12.19 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: Haxfar Portlaind Hmm, I can't stop wondering what people whould call "life". What the science finds will most likely not be hollywood like.
Whould they be carbon based? Are they evolved out of water? (our moon played a vital part in our evolution, without it, no land based life.) Do they need oxygen? Do we have the same way to "think"? (nerve-system and a brain) Have they developed culture? (even if it isn't like we understand it.) etc...
There are bacteria that thrive on earth and they only breath sulphur. Other forms of life don't necessarily have to be like us, or need oxygen etc
Unfortunately, any discovery of ET life will always be hidden imo due to the tremendous amount of religious baggage this planet has. Some people wouldn't accept it and would start wailing about end-times or something
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soldieroffortune 258
Gallente Trinity Council Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2009.12.20 05:49:00 -
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Meh, seen something very very similar to this in Astro 101 a couple years back, insane how vast the universe is Please re-size your signature to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes.Applebabe
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Kora Zilesti
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Posted - 2009.12.20 06:43:00 -
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Edited by: Kora Zilesti on 20/12/2009 06:43:06 I wouldn't call the vastness of the universe surprising. It's the universe after all. Would anyone have just expected a big wall to appear when you kept zooming out and out?
And this big bang theory, stipulating that one giant body containing all the matter of the universe exploded outwards to form the particles and stellar bodies we currently are aware of and understand (and those that we aren't aware of and don't understand). Maybe a hundred years from now the next big mindf*ck will be when we discover that the giant body preceeding the big bang wasn't the only one in existence... potentially meaning not only other areas beyond the boundary of our massive realm of space, but other realms of space in which the very fabric of reality - sub-atomic particles and the laws of physics themselves - are different. Essentially, multiple universes within our one universe.
And then we may go on to discover that each of these massively infinite and different sections of space are really just small parts of some altogether greater whole. Who the hell knows. But we've had some crazy ignorance before, so I wouldn't look at this and go, "wow, the universe is so big!" because what we know and believe to be is really probably only a small part of an infinitely greater whole.
Or I could be totally wrong.
Such is life.
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ChossenFew
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Posted - 2009.12.20 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: karma militia http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4PCnEXYTkA&NR=1
does that ship at 0:21 have turret hardpoints
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