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Loka	Posted - 2004.11.15 16:33:00 - [31] Originally by: Manfred Doomhammer well. i guess that is where the above proposed additional missile skills would come in handy then... Indeed. But the started mentioned the above skills infavor of the missile user. While in real they will balance the overpowered T2 launcher towards the Turrets, when it comes to trainingtime. But i think that wasnt intended by the starter of this _____________________________________ Dead or Alive
Loka	Posted - 2004.11.15 16:33:00 - [32] Originally by: Manfred Doomhammer well. i guess that is where the above proposed additional missile skills would come in handy then... Indeed. But the started mentioned the above skills infavor of the missile user. While in real they will balance the overpowered T2 launcher towards the Turrets, when it comes to trainingtime. But i think that wasnt intended by the starter of this _____________________________________ Dead or Alive
OffBeaT	Posted - 2004.11.15 16:56:00 - [33] Edited by: OffBeaT on 15/11/2004 17:04:50 Edited by: OffBeaT on 15/11/2004 17:03:56 sometimes the crap you guys ask for is unreal.. i freaken missile is a missile, it tracks its self through a guidance system, not buy the lunchers speed of moving like a hybred weopons or lassers. i mean think about it if a missile hits a plane ass end or face on the damage is planly the same. as for when a missile hits a ship and knocks it off keel.. well freaking Da! when a torpedo hits a ship it will keel and list.. eh! its CALLED BOOOM!! and you shake. gezz.. soon we will all be in them floting condoms amra's or apoc's. with no real skill to use click the lasser and let the drones do the fighting.
OffBeaT	Posted - 2004.11.15 16:56:00 - [34] Edited by: OffBeaT on 15/11/2004 17:04:50 Edited by: OffBeaT on 15/11/2004 17:03:56 sometimes the crap you guys ask for is unreal.. i freaken missile is a missile, it tracks its self through a guidance system, not buy the lunchers speed of moving like a hybred weopons or lassers. i mean think about it if a missile hits a plane ass end or face on the damage is planly the same. as for when a missile hits a ship and knocks it off keel.. well freaking Da! when a torpedo hits a ship it will keel and list.. eh! its CALLED BOOOM!! and you shake. gezz.. soon we will all be in them floting condoms amra's or apoc's. with no real skill to use click the lasser and let the drones do the fighting.
Rift Scorn	Posted - 2004.11.15 17:31:00 - [35] Offbeat, lay off the ***** man! Yeah, i felt a little bummed out at no T2 Siles or Launchers at the very least, i'm a Raven pilot by trade and have about 3.5Mil SP in Missiles, and not a whiff of T2 missles - Stung! Hope to see them soon, not holding my breath though
Rift Scorn	Posted - 2004.11.15 17:31:00 - [36] Offbeat, lay off the ***** man! Yeah, i felt a little bummed out at no T2 Siles or Launchers at the very least, i'm a Raven pilot by trade and have about 3.5Mil SP in Missiles, and not a whiff of T2 missles - Stung! Hope to see them soon, not holding my breath though
Cmd Woodlouse	Posted - 2004.11.15 21:27:00 - [37] A very good point, Der Ewige. /signed [G] - Pink Power
Cmd Woodlouse	Posted - 2004.11.15 21:27:00 - [38] A very good point, Der Ewige. /signed [G] - Pink Power
Nafri	Posted - 2004.11.15 21:39:00 - [39] me too Wanna fly with me?
Nafri	Posted - 2004.11.15 21:39:00 - [40] me too Wanna fly with me?
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.11.15 22:02:00 - [41] Originally by: Sally Yep. This is a sersious problem. There is also no TL2 ECM, though we have TL2 backup arrays. I don't think that will change - Dev's have said they want to look at ECM as a whole. As it stands, tech 1 ECM overpowered tech 1 ECCM. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.11.15 22:02:00 - [42] Originally by: Sally Yep. This is a sersious problem. There is also no TL2 ECM, though we have TL2 backup arrays. I don't think that will change - Dev's have said they want to look at ECM as a whole. As it stands, tech 1 ECM overpowered tech 1 ECCM. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Amthor	Posted - 2004.11.15 22:19:00 - [43] please lay off the drugs. What is this, the third post about how overpowered missiles are? What ever, third lame post. Missles are underpowered in my eye, when was the last time you seen a "ganka-raven" take out a BS in 15 seconds? No? never? ah, thats what I thought. So please stop the maddness. For a wounded man shall say to his assailant "If I live, I will kill you, if I die, you are forgiven." Such is the rule of honor.
Amthor	Posted - 2004.11.15 22:19:00 - [44] please lay off the drugs. What is this, the third post about how overpowered missiles are? What ever, third lame post. Missles are underpowered in my eye, when was the last time you seen a "ganka-raven" take out a BS in 15 seconds? No? never? ah, thats what I thought. So please stop the maddness. For a wounded man shall say to his assailant "If I live, I will kill you, if I die, you are forgiven." Such is the rule of honor.
Riddari	Posted - 2004.11.15 22:34:00 - [45] Give me T2 large repairers and you can have the T2 launchers ¼©¼ a history
Riddari	Posted - 2004.11.15 22:34:00 - [46] Give me T2 large repairers and you can have the T2 launchers ¼©¼ a history
Nafri	Posted - 2004.11.15 22:40:00 - [47] Originally by: Riddari Give me T2 large repairers and you can have the T2 launchers tech2 xl-shield booster? Wanna fly with me?
Nafri	Posted - 2004.11.15 22:40:00 - [48] Originally by: Riddari Give me T2 large repairers and you can have the T2 launchers tech2 xl-shield booster? Wanna fly with me?
Urkl	Posted - 2004.11.15 23:22:00 - [49] By the same argumemt (which I somewhat agree with), projectile users are at a disadvantage. Sure, T2 projectiles guns are out, but until CCP fixes projectiles in general, their users are at a disadvantage compared to users of other T2 turrets. After all, it doesn't matter how much damage your gun can do if it only hits 1/3 of the time, while everyone else's guns are far more accurate. Goes back to the complaint I've been making for a long time now: FIRST you balance what's already here, THEN you add new content. * * * * *** ** * *****.
Urkl	Posted - 2004.11.15 23:22:00 - [50] By the same argumemt (which I somewhat agree with), projectile users are at a disadvantage. Sure, T2 projectiles guns are out, but until CCP fixes projectiles in general, their users are at a disadvantage compared to users of other T2 turrets. After all, it doesn't matter how much damage your gun can do if it only hits 1/3 of the time, while everyone else's guns are far more accurate. Goes back to the complaint I've been making for a long time now: FIRST you balance what's already here, THEN you add new content. * * * * *** ** * *****.
OffBeaT	Posted - 2004.11.16 02:09:00 - [51] Edited by: OffBeaT on 16/11/2004 02:17:33 Goes back to the complaint I've been making for a long time now: FIRST you balance what's already here, THEN you add new content. AMEN but the game must go on. im all for change, but people got too remember that players who have been other players victoms for so long in the game wont too catch up some day, or at lest have a fair fight to a point someday. so they plane for their skills and work them for that reason. ecm, missiles, sheilds, and so on. then nerf, and nerf again. then soon all thouse skills you planed out 4 months or 8 months ago become more skills then more. ok, iv learnd too live with that in the game, but there are only a few things in the game that even out the playing feild like ecm or gunry skills or rocket skills. now i hear ecm will be nerfed, turnd into a mabe % might work when activated against a foe. so there might go any ability for a newer player too out wit a stronger player. like im gona risk a 200mil raven with say 7mil in combat/ship skill point up against a 13mil skilled player on a mabe it might work or not. same with rockets or whatever. ecm too me when you give up your sheild too use it become your sheilds and a mabe will work dont cut it. if the player counters my move with eccm or what have you ok.. im realy starting too get sick of seeing real srong players who wont more and more skills added for real stupid reaons just becouse some guy in a gankagaden or apoc or what have you dont like the fact a noob or lesser skilled player can get the jump on him. like shut down his apoc with a BB or scorp. so they cry for more skills and more skills too beable too do the same thing down the road. so now its getting too the point where do players like me wont too bother puting another 3 to 6 months into the game being someones gank fun or do i just wont too say f it and move back into games that i can be on even terms in a fight again. after awhile you just start getting **ed off at the game and its enless trying too get a fair deal. we all dont like gank wars some of use like one on one more or small team work fights. i still say pirates make the best one on one players in the game. the training you get from a good pirate corp is worth its wait in gold in this game.. they teach you too be cunning and a surviver in eve. you never get that in most glob corps that only fight in mobs or just wont noobs too mine too make there corps rich.. i wont too keep that cunning in the game not have it skilled out. so i got a bit **ed at this lets turn rockets into this over skilled thing thats not realy needed.
OffBeaT	Posted - 2004.11.16 02:09:00 - [52] Edited by: OffBeaT on 16/11/2004 02:17:33 Goes back to the complaint I've been making for a long time now: FIRST you balance what's already here, THEN you add new content. AMEN but the game must go on. im all for change, but people got too remember that players who have been other players victoms for so long in the game wont too catch up some day, or at lest have a fair fight to a point someday. so they plane for their skills and work them for that reason. ecm, missiles, sheilds, and so on. then nerf, and nerf again. then soon all thouse skills you planed out 4 months or 8 months ago become more skills then more. ok, iv learnd too live with that in the game, but there are only a few things in the game that even out the playing feild like ecm or gunry skills or rocket skills. now i hear ecm will be nerfed, turnd into a mabe % might work when activated against a foe. so there might go any ability for a newer player too out wit a stronger player. like im gona risk a 200mil raven with say 7mil in combat/ship skill point up against a 13mil skilled player on a mabe it might work or not. same with rockets or whatever. ecm too me when you give up your sheild too use it become your sheilds and a mabe will work dont cut it. if the player counters my move with eccm or what have you ok.. im realy starting too get sick of seeing real srong players who wont more and more skills added for real stupid reaons just becouse some guy in a gankagaden or apoc or what have you dont like the fact a noob or lesser skilled player can get the jump on him. like shut down his apoc with a BB or scorp. so they cry for more skills and more skills too beable too do the same thing down the road. so now its getting too the point where do players like me wont too bother puting another 3 to 6 months into the game being someones gank fun or do i just wont too say f it and move back into games that i can be on even terms in a fight again. after awhile you just start getting **ed off at the game and its enless trying too get a fair deal. we all dont like gank wars some of use like one on one more or small team work fights. i still say pirates make the best one on one players in the game. the training you get from a good pirate corp is worth its wait in gold in this game.. they teach you too be cunning and a surviver in eve. you never get that in most glob corps that only fight in mobs or just wont noobs too mine too make there corps rich.. i wont too keep that cunning in the game not have it skilled out. so i got a bit **ed at this lets turn rockets into this over skilled thing thats not realy needed.
RollinDutchMasters	Posted - 2004.11.16 02:16:00 - [53] Missiles, as they are now, are arguably the most consistant and effective class of weapon. Your suggusted skills will essentially increase their damage by a third, as well as increase velocity (caio, friggies). If these skills are ever implemented, then the effectiveness of missiles today will probably be greater then the effect post-nerf with all the skills maxed. Originally by: Sochin CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
RollinDutchMasters	Posted - 2004.11.16 02:16:00 - [54] Missiles, as they are now, are arguably the most consistant and effective class of weapon. Your suggusted skills will essentially increase their damage by a third, as well as increase velocity (caio, friggies). If these skills are ever implemented, then the effectiveness of missiles today will probably be greater then the effect post-nerf with all the skills maxed. Originally by: Sochin CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
F'nog	Posted - 2004.11.16 02:24:00 - [55] Originally by: Amthor please lay off the drugs. What is this, the third post about how overpowered missiles are? What ever, third lame post. Missles are underpowered in my eye, when was the last time you seen a "ganka-raven" take out a BS in 15 seconds? No? never? ah, thats what I thought. So please stop the maddness. I can that someone read the original post...
F'nog	Posted - 2004.11.16 02:24:00 - [56] Originally by: Amthor please lay off the drugs. What is this, the third post about how overpowered missiles are? What ever, third lame post. Missles are underpowered in my eye, when was the last time you seen a "ganka-raven" take out a BS in 15 seconds? No? never? ah, thats what I thought. So please stop the maddness. I can that someone read the original post...
jamesw	Posted - 2004.11.16 02:27:00 - [57] Little bit off topic, but I think that ECM (in its current incarnation) is balanced OK. ECM 1 vs ECCM 2 is reasonably fair IMO. -- jamesw Rubra Libertas Militia Originally by: RollinDutchMasters I fly a dominix, its like a portable blob in a can
jamesw	Posted - 2004.11.16 02:27:00 - [58] Little bit off topic, but I think that ECM (in its current incarnation) is balanced OK. ECM 1 vs ECCM 2 is reasonably fair IMO. -- jamesw Rubra Libertas Militia Originally by: RollinDutchMasters I fly a dominix, its like a portable blob in a can
Deadzone	Posted - 2004.11.16 03:22:00 - [59] Absolutly definatly signed! Vice-Admiral Executive Commanding Officer Military Command Hadead Drive Yards
Deadzone	Posted - 2004.11.16 03:22:00 - [60] Absolutly definatly signed! Vice-Admiral Executive Commanding Officer Military Command Hadead Drive Yards

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