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Lt Joanna
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Posted - 2009.12.18 15:04:00 -
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Mordus Headhunters, lvl4
Went away from all Rats 100km
Throwed out the sentries, woosh Stage-Aggro
Worlds Collde LvL 4
Put out your sentries, woosh Stage-Aggro
There are more Missions where drones cause much more aggro... don't want to count them all...
Seriously, why do you hate us? Sentries are my main weapons. I need them. Without, I need too long to fight down my targets.
Do you really want everyone to sit in a Raven?
*angry*
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killacaerbear
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Posted - 2009.12.18 15:15:00 -
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i compleatly agree i use drone a lot tho there not my main sorce of DMG they are inexpensable (especaly when i get jammed they keep the DMG roling).
i fly a BC with T2 med drones in Lv 3 and they allway get agro i dont have and that blow when there muti waves cuse i have to recall them evry wave.
drone should never pull agro from rats...EVER
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Empire Dweller
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.12.18 15:24:00 -
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Second room of WC- i shot the spy and got full room agro!
WHY DOES SEE SEE PEE LOVES THE SPIES!
Pirate invasion i moved and got full room agro!
MOAR PROOF SEE SEE PEE HATES MOVING!
Another mission i shot stuff and it shot me back!
WHY SEE SEE PEE WHY!
All missions should be doable with a stabber- all ships should die to its mighty one drone. Nothing should ever shoot the drone, or the stabber even.
MAKE IT SO NUMBER ONE!
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willdieinabout24hrs
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Posted - 2009.12.18 15:28:00 -
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"CCP why do you hate drone users so much?"
because drone users are the laziest pilots of all.
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killacaerbear
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Posted - 2009.12.18 15:29:00 -
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i thinck i smell a little sarcasum from you
any ways drones should be ignored unless ther no ships. rat should alway target the ship and only tagrget drones if left behind couse the guy warped out.
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Lt Joanna
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Posted - 2009.12.18 15:32:00 -
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Edited by: Lt Joanna on 18/12/2009 15:33:51
@killer
What you describe is not the problem sorry. That new waves aggro drones is okay and should not be changed when we talk about waves of enemies.
@Empire Dweller
Congrats, you failed the Topic. I do not want it to be more easy. I just want to use my drones. They cause stage-aggro in some missions. A Mega shooting a group does not cause stage-aggro.
We do not talk about doint the mission the wrong way, we talk about wrong gamemechanics (at least in my eyes).
@willdie
I do not play afk... I play activly. If I need to go afk, I dock or I shut down eve at all.
regards
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NyteTyger
Gallente
NiteSun Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.12.18 15:47:00 -
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 Originally by: Lt Joanna
@Empire Dweller
Congrats, you failed the Topic. I do not want it to be more easy. I just want to use my drones. They cause stage-aggro in some missions. A Mega shooting a group does not cause stage-aggro.
We do not talk about doint the mission the wrong way, we talk about wrong gamemechanics (at least in my eyes).
Are you saying this is new since Dominion, that there has been some change? Or has it always been like this for you?
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Lt Joanna
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Posted - 2009.12.18 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: NyteTyger
Originally by: Lt Joanna
@Empire Dweller
Congrats, you failed the Topic. I do not want it to be more easy. I just want to use my drones. They cause stage-aggro in some missions. A Mega shooting a group does not cause stage-aggro.
We do not talk about doint the mission the wrong way, we talk about wrong gamemechanics (at least in my eyes).
Are you saying this is new since Dominion, that there has been some change? Or has it always been like this for you?
I did not fly lvl 4's before greatly, so I cannot tell. But it is also metioned on eve-survival that using sentries in some missions cause stage-aggro. In this case today especially "The Mordus Headhunters". The next Rat was 100km away.... throwed out the sentries and immediatly all rats aggroed. In my eyes, this is a huge disadvantage for drone-users. My Sentries already have a drawback: They cannot move.
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NyteTyger
Gallente
NiteSun Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.12.18 16:08:00 -
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I was asking because I haven't had the opportunity to run a mission since Dominion, and didn't know if something had changed. However, if it is a problem you've had before Dominion, then I haven't seen the problem.
After trying all the different mission ships, I found a Domi to be the best ship for me. I have run almost every mission there is in my Domi, and haven't run into a situation like you describe. Only issue I've had with drones causing unwanted aggro is if I don't mind them and they go off popping things on their own.
Are you establishing aggro before launching drones? I always get aggro on the ship directly before launching drones. Even on full drone ships (meaning no DPS from the ship itself), I have a noob blaster on there for managing aggro.
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Lotto Luckman
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Posted - 2009.12.18 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: willdieinabout24hrs
afk missioners shouldn't whine so much.
This says it all TBH. IMO discouraging perma-tanked domis from dumping drones and going afk is a good thing.
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Lt Joanna
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Posted - 2009.12.18 21:18:00 -
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Edited by: Lt Joanna on 18/12/2009 21:19:19
Originally by: NyteTyger
I was asking because I haven't had the opportunity to run a mission since Dominion, and didn't know if something had changed. However, if it is a problem you've had before Dominion, then I haven't seen the problem.
After trying all the different mission ships, I found a Domi to be the best ship for me. I have run almost every mission there is in my Domi, and haven't run into a situation like you describe. Only issue I've had with drones causing unwanted aggro is if I don't mind them and they go off popping things on their own.
Are you establishing aggro before launching drones? I always get aggro on the ship directly before launching drones. Even on full drone ships (meaning no DPS from the ship itself), I have a noob blaster on there for managing aggro.
Sure, I pull a group (with a missile on my Gila or with a single shot from a rail on dominix) and I always stick to suggestions made on eve-survival. And I also look if I can change the tactics to fit my playstyle. But let's stick to my mission today:
Warped in with my Gila.
Pulled the first group with a single Missile.
Turned around and flew away with Ab so that the next rat which did not aggro yet was 100km away.
Throwed out my sentries to kill the group already attacking me.
Rest of the pocket got aggro..... and I cannot lock up targets more than ~62km away in a cruiser. I do not have a bunch of Sensor Boosters fitted.
So let met tell it straight again:
You get aggro by just letting your sentries out of your ship. This is not right. It affects my playstyle. I am Gallente and I like Drones. It is also some kind of Roleplaying to stick to them. And to my previous poster: I am no afk missioneer. I play when I am on my PC. Sentries are the main weapons on a Droneboat. Do your Rails or Laz0rs or Missiles cause stage-aggro? I assume not...
regards
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Aralieus
Amarr
Traumark Logistics
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Posted - 2009.12.18 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: willdieinabout24hrs
"CCP why do you hate drone users so much?"
because drone users are the laziest pilots of all.
afk missioners shouldn't whine so much.
I beg do differ-Missle spam is the laziest thing, however afk mission running coming in a close second..
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Nitemare111
Left Field Holding
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Posted - 2009.12.19 00:01:00 -
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If you only ever use one tactic to run missions, especially level 4s, you're going to have problems.
Learn other ways to do stuff. Find out which missions have total room drone aggro, and outfit with guns. Find which ones have "shoot this and get Custered" targets, and don't shoot that target.
Use your brain, it'll save your butt.
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Defialed
Clearly Compensating
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Posted - 2009.12.19 00:20:00 -
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they dont hate drone users...
they just hate you.
:)
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Birdman Ravo
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Posted - 2009.12.19 04:06:00 -
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Originally by: Aralieus
I beg do differ-Missle spam is the laziest thing, however afk mission running coming in a close second..
We still have to manually target ships and make sure to keep drones and missiles on the same target most of the time. We also have to manage tank unless under a fail fitting. I'm not saying we aren't lazy, just not AFK mission lazy. ;)
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miridrim
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Posted - 2009.12.19 08:53:00 -
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Originally by: Lotto Luckman
This says it all TBH. IMO discouraging perma-tanked domis from dumping drones and going afk is a good thing.
Apparently you don't realize that full stage agro is exactly what a afk domi pilots would need in the first place to go afk with his drones out?
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Ephar naipores
Gallente
Russian Space Forces
Stella Polaris.
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Posted - 2009.12.19 09:53:00 -
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Well, missions are made to be fun not boring. 
I always try to get full or partial aggro from my missions depending on the missions.
Yet, I have found itÆs important to have very high skills in drones and armor/shield tanking
I fly a domi for every mission (canÆt wait for my Ishtar) and have all mech. and required eng. skills to lvl5
Have drone faction specializations to lvl4s and the rest all to lvl5s
I never mission afk, but I move in, take aggro and launch sentries; lights; medium or heavies depending on missions
Have one rail for aggro and the rest just for track/slvg in hi slots
Oh, do rig the ship.
Yes my drones do get aggro as well, well, in that case, I use one repper in hi-slot for my drones. fun to see some drones shilding/tanking for you
Conclusion, refine your skills, play intelligently, check whatÆs your present weakness and improve your tactics.
At times, I just sit and let drones take care. And other times with same mission, just one mistake and I need to warp out with tank 99% hit 
I hope they will make our lvl4 missions more difficult or technical, but not weaken our drones.
Have fun all and make your missions enjoyable for u not for your drones
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Elsa Nietzsche
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Posted - 2009.12.19 13:52:00 -
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While this is easy to label as a wine, it does bring up an interesting topic of game balance. Yes, drone users are probably the most 'hands off' mission runner but that's the game style they chose to play. Drones are their primary form of damage. To put it in context, if CCP upped the effectiveness of NPC defender missiles to 33% the caldari would be in here screaming bloody murder and the rest of us would be laughing at them.
And personally, the tears of raven pilots are far more delicious than those of domi pilots.
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Ephar naipores
Gallente
Russian Space Forces
Stella Polaris.
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Posted - 2009.12.19 15:12:00 -
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Nice Reply Elsa
Being a swis- french, I have to admit a well matured wine is not that easy to find in oneÆs personal taste
I have to agree that a missions specially with a navy raven, makes one fly in their missions. Have seen it on you tube or with friends running their lvl4 missions.
On the other hand, when using a domi, one really must be taking care of their drones at certain moments because, any T2 drones, well, letÆs face it, you do not want losing them, especially in certain missions. They can be costly at the end of the day. And one of the reasons why I like to mission with drones is for missions to become cost effective.
On the other hand, I would - instead of CCP nerfing missiles or drones, rather see making the missions more complex and more AI rats facing us. The missions we do is to have fun, Enjoy with new adventures. Why not letÆs say: blockade mission, have AI rats that behave differently with their attacks each time we get the same mission. This will bring a new perspective to our missions and not have same old story repeating itself. And maybe, the more we do same type mission, the more complex and difficult it becomes, but, on the reverse, they must compensate us with loot and slvg. I am not talking here about lvl5s. but a more complex lvl4s.
Well, on my part, have two objectives: fly an Ishtar and domi navy. Those two must be quite interesting.
and as for your comment joanna, have your drone skills maxed. Use remote reppers with one rail and loot/slvg for your hi-slots if using a domi.
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Kerogen Logos
Caldari
Red Frog Investments
Blue Sky Consortium
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Posted - 2009.12.19 18:13:00 -
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What I want to know is how someone in this topic is in a Gila, and even cares if they have full stage aggro...I pull everything onto me on purpose. THEN release your drones. If you can't tank an entire stage in a Gila, you're likely fitting it wrong.
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Gahagan
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Posted - 2009.12.19 18:14:00 -
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Your problem might be sentries and not drones in general. I run with T2 heavies and have never had a problem with drones aggroing something they shouldn't.
Your problem is probably more inexperience than sentry drones. I've accidentally taken stage aggro on Mordus Headhunters and Worlds Collide plenty of times. The more you run the missions the better feel you get for what triggers what.
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Dacryphile
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Posted - 2009.12.19 18:28:00 -
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Solution to all your drone aggro problems:
Put them on passive and dictate their targets for them, just like any other weapon system.
Originally by: Doc Robertson
...take a good look at this pic and tell us which one is you.
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Ephar naipores
Gallente
Russian Space Forces
Stella Polaris.
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Posted - 2009.12.19 19:19:00 -
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Edited by: Ephar naipores on 19/12/2009 19:26:27
Edited by: Ephar naipores on 19/12/2009 19:21:04
Edited by: Ephar naipores on 19/12/2009 19:20:33
Have to agree and disagree with certain points. Though all valid and very interesting
It is interesting to state what kind of setup you use for a full aggro on self if we mission with drones, specially the rigs setup. Maybe we could open a topic regarding this subject or just present it here. What ships and what setups.
I have been in mission situation with dual-rep and depending on your aggro, it has happened that I have warped out at least once. Not often, but happens. My only sole problem is AEÆs bonus room. I would like to know how to run that room. Would appreciate help/advise with that one
Drones do aggro many times other rats that they should not . For example, u have bunch of small/medium hooligan rats next to you but have nice juicy ones for your drones at 40 to 80km away from you and pull aggro onto them from rats at that distance. Well, if you are not careful, your greedy heavy drones will be 70 km away from you in no time . So if you are in a passive mode, thatÆs ok, you are controlling them, but in an aggressive mode, thatÆs a different story. I would add, this can be true for sentries as well, I have seen a number of times my sentries attacking rats that have not aggroed me and start pulling aggro on to them (real nut cases they are) and do nothing with the ones that have aggroed me. Now, I am not so sure if this is a bug or not. ThatÆs when I need to have them in passive mode.
At the end of all this, it boils down to this:
1.What setup to use in tanking or shielding for full aggro
2.How u enjoy playing your game. Is one looking to do afk game, or be in the game and control the situation
I have developed another situation which I guess many use that setup as well.
I have two domi running into one mission, one is using sentry drones to attack the rats who have aggroed me and usually stationary, while the other is loot/slvging the mission. The 2nd domi has its drones (heavies and light) as well, I send them out and just select them to protect the 1st domi. With this setup I go through my missions faster. In case both of the ships are aggroed, I make each set of drones protect the other ship.
Of course, not a solution for people who have one char in game.
yet, if we want to be a real gallente tanker with domi in hands, we should be able to fully aggro on us most missions. i have no ideas in regards to other faction ships.
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genette devo
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.12.19 21:08:00 -
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im a primary drone user currently and i don't see any problem with them in lvl 4's
I kill all frigs first then move up the line, a few missions seem to have specific anti drone frigs but they are not hard to ID and kill, paying attention is all the buff most drone users need
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