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Invelious
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.12.18 23:28:00 -
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Edited by: Invelious on 18/12/2009 23:31:20
intel report
Not sure why concord lock this. Garst was simply providing intel on our enemy for the igs to read.
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Cadirro
DAEDALUS X
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.12.18 23:38:00 -
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OOC intel anyone?
But yes, it's sad the topic got locked. I'm sure there would've been plenty entertaining comments.
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Gemma Naquist
Caldari
Immortalis Licentia
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Posted - 2009.12.19 00:01:00 -
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Open channel:
I could be wrong, but in that post we see what is evidently Star Fraction doing an end-run around Concord policy by supporting the Minmatar Militia and government without actually having a wardec on file with Concord
IÆm sure there are other, equally compelling reasons, but since this Comm System is run by Concord, we should probably give things a little time so Garst can reformat the data.
I mean, you see how easily those two Gallente gentlemen got confused, right?
Judging on what I did read though, I would expect the Republic Militia to be knifing Jade and the boys in their sleep for what they were saying. That things in Kamela were business as usual with SF acting as spies and forward observers for the Republic, IÆm sure the brainwashing got kicked into high gear after Garst leaked that report.
We at C3NTI would ask all citizens to remember that Star Fraction harbors pirates and supports terrorism. All civilized people, Gallente or Caldari, Amarr or Minmatar should keep that firmly in mind when wading through their excessive propaganda.
And doesnÆt it just sound a bit desperate of late?
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.19 00:11:00 -
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 Originally by: Cadirro
OOC intel anyone?
In fairness, the earlier leak of No.Mercy intel was also "OOC", whatever that means, but I don't recall anyone from the Star Fraction objecting to that.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar
DAEDALUS X
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.12.19 00:12:00 -
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((because it was OOC
oh noes! SF is a resonable typical player guild...haxor!!!
at least we don't post "Cast magic missle" on our boards to mock RP. Think of that while you pray at No.Mercy's feet and pretend at being a Loyalist.)) |
Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar
DAEDALUS X
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.12.19 00:20:00 -
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Edited by: Tomahawk Bliss on 19/12/2009 00:24:07
Edited by: Tomahawk Bliss on 19/12/2009 00:20:31
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Cadirro
OOC intel anyone?
In fairness, the earlier leak of No.Mercy intel was also "OOC", whatever that means, but I don't recall anyone from the Star Fraction objecting to that.
((point of fact I reported The Final Stand's non-RP thread, though an RP post via an article then followed and that was IC. Therefore it stood.
this is an RP board. I reported this thread, Garst's thread was locked before I could.
they need to take it to another board and not clutter this up IGS with weakness.
Why do you associate someone with such disrespect for RP, Rodj?
GarstÆs boards have been cracked for months now. You canÆt tell me you havenÆt seen their unmitigated pretention that they are better than ôRPersö in their ôWizard Hatsö and his ôcasting magic missleö nonsense.)) |
Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.19 00:37:00 -
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Perhaps here is a better place to discuss this?
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ChipMo
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.12.19 00:37:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
In fairness, the earlier leak of No.Mercy intel was also "OOC", whatever that means, but I don't recall anyone from the Star Fraction objecting to that.
((All our posts on the topic were IC, nothing directly OOC was posted from us. As for the thread Invelious has linked... I stand by everything I said. You do not need spies to find this stuff out, just ask.))
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.12.19 00:52:00 -
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Desperate topic reposting a desperate topic. Almost sad to see what our enemies have been reduced to of late.
True Knowledge |
Invelious
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.12.19 01:14:00 -
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((By all accounts, all information provided in that post by garst was IC, all character names were in game names used, no out of game reference was made as everything was in reference to in game actions and converation. Although its was a OOG forum, its still associated directly to the SF alliance, and SF player alias' were used along with reference to their IC associates))
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ChipMo
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.12.19 01:23:00 -
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So, what have you learned from this?
Is there actually any point to posting this other than yelling "Oh look mum I know what jade said to her mates!" ?
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Jakiin
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Posted - 2009.12.19 01:24:00 -
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That was great. I mean, it won't do anything because SF still need to puff their chests and the Matari still need some allies, but it still made my night.
I didn't think I'd say this relating to anything but purely combat achievement, but thank you Mr. Tyrell. Thank you kindly.
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Jakiin
Holder Heir of the Kingdom
'Pacifist Reclaimer' |
Invelious
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.12.19 01:36:00 -
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Originally by: Revan Neferis
Perhaps here is a better place to discuss this?
This link seems to be a information portal controlled by SF members, how convenient that your attempting to move this discussion into that arena of debate. Still trying to help SF, the same group that is strictly opposed to the Empire and Empress that you love so much?
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ChipMo
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.12.19 01:39:00 -
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Edited by: ChipMo on 19/12/2009 01:39:18
Originally by: Jakiin
That was great. I mean, it won't do anything because SF still need to puff their chests and the Matari still need some allies, but it still made my night.
I didn't think I'd say this relating to anything but purely combat achievement, but thank you Mr. Tyrell. Thank you kindly.
Ok since Invelious doesn't seem to want to tell me, perhaps you will... What have you learned about us through this, that you didn't already know?
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.19 01:42:00 -
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Originally by: Invelious
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Perhaps here is a better place to discuss this?
This link seems to be a information portal controlled by SF members, how convenient that your attempting to move this discussion into that arena of debate. Still trying to help SF, the same group that is strictly opposed to the Empire and Empress that you love so much?
Not at all. I find this all very idiotic and silly both sides. It's pathetic. Anyway, The reason for the link is because there this unknown "ooc" expression can be discussed without breaking the rules of this own board.
Feel free to provide your own link to such discussion elsewhere if it fits you.
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Invelious
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.12.19 01:50:00 -
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Originally by: Revan Neferis
Originally by: Invelious
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Perhaps here is a better place to discuss this?
This link seems to be a information portal controlled by SF members, how convenient that your attempting to move this discussion into that arena of debate. Still trying to help SF, the same group that is strictly opposed to the Empire and Empress that you love so much?
Not at all. I find this all very idiotic and silly both sides. It's pathetic. Anyway, The reason for the link is because there this unknown "ooc" expression can be discussed without breaking the rules of this own board.
Feel free to provide your own link to such discussion elsewhere if it fits you.
No, this portal of communication will do just fine, this way all can see how SF behaves when accurate, negative information is presented about them.
Revan you still havent justified your actions for supporting a organistion that strongly opposes your current loyalties.
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Geonin
Amarr
No.Mercy
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Posted - 2009.12.19 01:52:00 -
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Post was full of deliciousness.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
The Archaeus of Blood
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Posted - 2009.12.19 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: Invelious
Revan you still havent justified your actions for supporting a organistion that strongly opposes your current loyalties.
This matter has been spoken many times. I don't support Star Fraction Organization. They don't use my money, They don't use my intel.
Top on that, I dislike their sudden sub human allegiances and attachments.
This Invelius is the reality.
They know. Jade knows. I know. The Universe knows. Just you seem to be missing in the loop.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik.
...every fire needs a little bit help |
Bashiri
No.Mercy
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Posted - 2009.12.19 01:57:00 -
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Someone has to boot out a spy now.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.12.19 02:00:00 -
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Originally by: Bashiri
Someone has to boot out a spy now.
I think we've decided to keep him. We're pretty good at turning enemy agents with exposure to good wholesome anarchist ideals.
True Knowledge |
Shirley Serious
Amarr
The Khanid Sisters of Athra
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Posted - 2009.12.19 02:03:00 -
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There is only one tiny piece of information in that whole mess that could even begin to be of even passing interest.
It is a snippet of this part.
where a pilot named "Lucai" says that their spy was spotted by pilot Merdaneth of PIE.
It is of interest compared to this thread.
Where Merdaneth said he engaged a suspected spy, and other people say "they were a neutral".
Seems Merdaneths suspicions were justified.
Which is mildly interesting.
The rest is pretty much just an assault on the eyes.
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Yes, I am. |
ChipMo
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.12.19 02:03:00 -
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Edited by: ChipMo on 19/12/2009 02:05:49
Originally by: Invelious
this way all can see how SF behaves when accurate, negative information is presented about them.
Originally by: Geonin
Post was full of deliciousness.
Such as...?
Far as I can see its just idle chatter, what great insights into our dastardly ways are you two getting that I seem to miss?
Edit:
aha!
Originally by: Shirley Serious
There is only one tiny piece of information in that whole mess that could even begin to be of even passing interest.
It is a snippet of this part.
where a pilot named "Lucai" says that their spy was spotted by pilot Merdaneth of PIE.
It is of interest compared to this thread.
Where Merdaneth said he engaged a suspected spy, and other people say "they were a neutral".
Seems Merdaneths suspicions were justified.
Which is mildly interesting.
The rest is pretty much just an assault on the eyes.
Quite right, if you trust this 'source' then retroactive diplomacy can in some way justify his actions. End of the day, was still an NBSI aggression at the time though ;)
Must be more than this in 11 pages of 'intel' ?
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Shirley Serious
Amarr
The Khanid Sisters of Athra
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Posted - 2009.12.19 02:17:00 -
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Originally by: ChipMo
Quite right, if you trust this 'source' then retroactive diplomacy can in some way justify his actions. End of the day, was still an NBSI aggression at the time though ;)
Yesss... Do we take at face value what Garst's spy says someone else's spy said or did?
I'd expect a gold coin of similar trustworthiness to bounce better than a rubber ball to be honest.
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Must be more than this in 11 pages of 'intel' ?
If there is, then it is well hidden. Perhaps it is concealed behind one of the molecules?
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Yes, I am. |
Jakiin
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Posted - 2009.12.19 02:19:00 -
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Originally by: ChipMo
Ok since Invelious doesn't seem to want to tell me, perhaps you will... What have you learned about us through this, that you didn't already know?
Primarily that SF is well aware of their hypocrisy, and that you find the Matari Militia to be as ramshackle as a few thought you did. Besides that, all it did was confirm some suspicions.
It's not that we learned anything new, Mr. Chipmo. It's that when an organizations whose entire public relations department is based off of accusations and propaganda is exposed to be the group that it is (Like any other with the exception of having a very large mouth) and not the group that it claims to be (Stalwart defenders of justice who eat Amarr for lunch and **** out the cure for cancer) those of us who had to put up with hearing you go on and on and on about being the latter feel good.
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Jakiin
Holder Heir of the Kingdom
'Pacifist Reclaimer' |
Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.12.19 02:21:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 19/12/2009 02:21:18
Originally by: Jakiin
Primarily that SF is well aware of their hypocrisy, and that you find the Matari Militia to be as ramshackle as a few thought you did. Besides that, all it did was confirm some suspicions.
You are projecting. There is zero hypocrisy displayed in those logs and absolutely everything backs what we have said publicly. Now No.Mercy themselves are planning to flee the warzone we can see who the ultimate winners and losers are. Try harder little Amarrian PR-proxy.
It is quite the least impressive intel revelation these forums have seen for a good many years.
True Knowledge |
Shirley Serious
Amarr
The Khanid Sisters of Athra
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Posted - 2009.12.19 02:31:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
It is quite the least impressive intel revelation these forums have seen for a good many years.
Captain Constantine.
Would you agree that the revelations contained here, are of more interest to the wider population than this mess?
Yes.
Yes, I am. |
Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.12.19 02:32:00 -
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Originally by: Shirley Serious
Originally by: Jade Constantine
It is quite the least impressive intel revelation these forums have seen for a good many years.
Captain Constantine.
Would you agree that the revelations contained here, are of more interest to the wider population than this mess?
Well its certainly a lot better formated and makes a more convincing argument 
True Knowledge |
ChipMo
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.12.19 02:35:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
You are projecting. There is zero hypocrisy displayed in those logs and absolutely everything backs what we have said publicly.
Agreed.
With regard to comments about the militia, they are self-confessed taken out of context. Can anyone here really say they have never felt frustration after certain fleet action? Obviously those 11 pages neglacted all the praise we have laveshed upon succesful Matari fleet ops, the debriefs of Space & Freedom springs to mind, the general admiration of ROSS's organisation and leadership, not to mention saswongs plexing efforts / gangs and so on and so forth. Naturally none of this was seen fit to be included.
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Havohej
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.12.19 02:49:00 -
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Edited by: Havohej on 19/12/2009 02:49:57
Originally by: Jakiin
Primarily that SF is well aware of their hypocrisy, and that you find the Matari Militia to be as ramshackle as a few thought you did.
I find the Minmatar Militia to be a rabble. I always have. Especially when I enlisted my corporation in it for months prior to joining the Star Fraction. I still find it to be a rabble, even when I 'X' up and run about in lowsec with them, GCCing in the middle of their fleets to shoot at Amarrians with them while flying my most expensive ships.
However, it's a rabble whose fundamental struggle we can relate to and continue to respect and wish good things for. You're manufacturing contradictions that don't actually exist. The Minmatar Militia knows it's a rabble and revels in their seemingly-chaotic tribal approach. But it's a rabble that's held you Marys largely at bay - how does that make you feel?
e: Here's some real intel for you, I guess, to make you feel better. I'll be flying Guardians and Scimitars myself, soon, so make sure to call me primary.
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Cadirro
DAEDALUS X
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.12.19 02:53:00 -
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Considering these eleven posts of out of context quotes are the best the spy could find on our member forums, one should maybe think about whats not on them, rather than what is. I'm pretty sure Garst expected more than this, and basically the only quotes that actually have the potential to do damage are the ones about the Minmatar Militia. Four lines, out of eleven full posts - and i doubt the Matari blame us for them without knowing the missing context.
But all of this has been said before, nothing any of us say will influence the minds of those who already chose one side, and those who didn't by now, will probably never do so.
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