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thetorsoboy
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.12.21 04:09:00 -
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The only ways I've tried are Mining, and Missioning.
Mining, I only get 20,000 ISK per run, because my mining vessel (A burst is all I can really use right now) has a small cargohold.
Missioning I only get about 50,000 per mission, depending on the mission.
Is there a better way for me? Or is this the best way, and I should just suck it up and work at it? And I could buy PLEX and sell them, but I'd like to be able to make money purely ingame.
Just want to know what methods there are that don't require low-sec, or how I can make more ISK with methods I already know. ^.^
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.12.21 04:14:00 -
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Do better missions, combat missions pay more
 Originally by: a51 duke1406
The girls just dont understand that sunday is pvp night, not cuddle on the couch watching tv night.
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Baka Lakadaka
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.12.21 04:41:00 -
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Originally by: thetorsoboy
The only ways I've tried are Mining, and Missioning.
Mining, I only get 20,000 ISK per run, because my mining vessel (A burst is all I can really use right now) has a small cargohold.
Missioning I only get about 50,000 per mission, depending on the mission.
Is there a better way for me? Or is this the best way, and I should just suck it up and work at it? And I could buy PLEX and sell them, but I'd like to be able to make money purely ingame.
Just want to know what methods there are that don't require low-sec, or how I can make more ISK with methods I already know. ^.^
Initially the rewards are small, but your needs are also small. The ships you can fly now don't cost much, but as you get bigger and better ships and better skills, your income will rise accordingly. It's not unreasonable for you to expect to be making a million per hour within a month (or less - depending on how much you play and how you progress) and tens of millions per hour in 6 months. Some players far exceed this, making billions per month.
I just forked out the better part of a billion ISK for some skills books for a carrier on one of my characters. I'll part with a similar figure to buy the ship and fittings......It's not exactly cheap for me, but as my character has been around for a while, the income is there to support such purchases. It's surprising how you'll look back later and say "I don't know how I survived with such small income" but if you look at it in terms of ships per hour, or skills books purchased per hour, it will remain about the same.
As to how to improve your income:
1) improve your skills and ships - mining in a burst is slow, but if you can upgrade your mining lasers to Tech 2, you'll go a lot faster. Putting some cargo expanders in will increase your cargo capacity, meaning more per trip and less time travelling. A mining laser upgrade module will also improve your mining speed.
2) For missions, train up connections to get into better agent levels. Look for better quality agents. Train Negotiations and Social to get better pay and faster standings increases.
3) Try a bit of trading - learn the market and put in a buy order for something that's just a little higher than the highest buy order. Then sell it for just a little less than the lowest sell order. Pick something with a large gap between buy orders and sell orders for maximum profit.
4) Don't just sell stuff (loot and ore) to the existing buy orders (i.e. don't just right-click and sell) - instead, use the 'advanced' option and set your own price - just below the lowest sell price is best. Watch your order and modify it if someone undercuts you. This is the single most valuable tip I ever had. It boosted my income amazingly as a new player.
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Junko Togawa
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.12.21 04:54:00 -
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Additionally, if you choose to run missions, learning to salvage will return its investment untold thousandfolds. Some ric's aren't worth what they once were, but still go at a good price. Find a corp to run for, pick a good combat agent in quality and division and work at building standings. Training Social, Negotiation and Connections will help A LOT with this.
Mining will work too, and if you wish to mine better, my recommendation is to mine inside mission deadspaces and dump your ore into a jetcan. When you get enough, switch to your hauler and recover it.
It's entirely up to you how hard you wish to pursue the mission/mining income path, relative to how much you want to engage in PvP. Joining a player corp will expand your options greatly if you want to take that route as well.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
AFK
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Posted - 2009.12.21 06:29:00 -
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Beginner's guide to making isk by Akita T.
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.12.21 06:40:00 -
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Originally by: thetorsoboy
The only ways I've tried are Mining, and Missioning.
Mining, I only get 20,000 ISK per run, because my mining vessel (A burst is all I can really use right now) has a small cargohold.
Missioning I only get about 50,000 per mission, depending on the mission.
Is there a better way for me? Or is this the best way, and I should just suck it up and work at it? And I could buy PLEX and sell them, but I'd like to be able to make money purely ingame.
Just want to know what methods there are that don't require low-sec, or how I can make more ISK with methods I already know. ^.^
Do you like mining? If not, then don't do it. If you do enjoy it, then you should invest some training time and ISK into it.
Same can be said of doing missions, or hauling, or market trading, etc.
It gets easier the more you understand how the EVE markets tick, and your skills increase.
Beginner's guide to * MAKING ISK * in EVE-Online
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thetorsoboy
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.12.21 20:01:00 -
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Thanks everyone for the input. :)
I actually don't like mining much. I mean, it's great to do while doing homework or something, but it's not something I'd really want to put money in to get better skills for it and such.
Missioning is probably better. I'll train those skills in social and stuff to get better standings. I do salvage my wrecks, but I get a lot of small wrecks currently, which don't give much.
Thanks again everyone. :)
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.12.21 20:13:00 -
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Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 21/12/2009 20:14:42
You should be able to do level 2 missions pretty early on by training Connections.
For example:, if you have 0.1 base standing:
Connections 1: 0.49 effective standing
Connections 2: 0.89 effective standing
Connections 3: 1.28 effective standing <= Level 2 missions usually start around 1.0 standing
Connections 4: 1.68 effective standing
Connections 5: 2.08 effective standing
You'll want a Cruiser for level 2.
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thetorsoboy
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.12.21 20:18:00 -
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Yeah, I'm training for a cruiser. Just need to make some money and train for better weapons and I'll be good.
I should train for better standings though.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Undivided
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Posted - 2009.12.21 20:24:00 -
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Ninjasalvaging
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James Tritanius
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Posted - 2009.12.21 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Ninjasalvaging
This.
Also be sure to join an empire pvp corp if possible (like Somali Coastguard Authority, the corp you just left) so mission runners would be afraid to shoot you when you steal their loot.
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thetorsoboy
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.12.21 20:38:00 -
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Yeah, I've been doing that too.
I left that corp because they're always in war, and I just don't have the skills or anything to defend myself yet. The plan was to rejoin in a few months.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Undivided
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Posted - 2009.12.21 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: thetorsoboy
Yeah, I've been doing that too.
I left that corp because they're always in war, and I just don't have the skills or anything to defend myself yet. The plan was to rejoin in a few months.
This could mean either two things.
1) You lack the player skills. This is likely correct, but you wont learn them by running missions or ninjasalvaging.
2) You lack the skillpoints. Entirely untrue. EVE fights aren't 1v1 duels. You (should) have corpmates backing you up.
My guess is that you meant 2 but 1 is the real answer.
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thetorsoboy
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.12.21 21:33:00 -
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Well, yeah that's true. But I'd like to be able to help my corp, not just sit around and watch.
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NightF0x
Gallente
Intergalactic League of Terrorists
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Posted - 2009.12.22 05:24:00 -
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Originally by: thetorsoboy
Well, yeah that's true. But I'd like to be able to help my corp, not just sit around and watch.
Find a corp that will give you free T1 frigates and/or cruisers. They are out there and it will help you learn strategy while not wasting an untold amount of money rebuying ships everytime you loose them. Just be sure to contribute back to the corp when you can.
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Jose Black
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Posted - 2009.12.22 08:34:00 -
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Get you a ship you can easily afford to lose and move to deep low security space (as in far away from high security). Running missions there gives greater rewards. Besides that its fun to explore imo.
Salvaging - either by scanning out mission runners (links to guides somewhere above) or by kindly asking around if someone is not willing to salvage their stuff. They may even set temporary +10 standings so you can take the loot without it counting as stealing.
Mining pays way more if you either mine in a group with haulers and maybe some fleet bonuses to yield or by solo jetcan mining in a quiet system or a mission deadspace and hauling afterwards using an industrial. You could even specialize to just being a hauler for other miners (you likely want to join a mining corp for that). Be sure to read Haladas Complete Mining Guide if you intend to mine.
Also:
Originally by: Estel Arador
Beginner's guide to making isk by Akita T.
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