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Aurelios Khadoran	Posted - 2004.11.16 11:42:00 - [1] Our alliance has been running a frigate tournament between corps. Our corp is predominately Amarr and I fly a Punisher. I have had no real problem up until I came up against a Rifter flown by one of the Minmatar heavy corps. The rifter was running about twice as fast as my Punisher (around the 3km/s mark to my 1.5) and was set up for long range. It therefore maintained about a 20km distance and pounded my Punisher to pieces . My setup used 3 Medium Pulses and small Nos, even with radio crystals fitted I could not score a single hit against him. I had a MWD and webifier in meds and a MAPC, Radar back up array, Small amour rep and a capacitor power relay in lows. The only thing I could think of would be a dual mwd set up, but would like to avoid that if possible. Are there any other setup suggestions out there for a Punisher set up to counter this rifter (for when we meet again )
Aurelios Khadoran	Posted - 2004.11.16 11:42:00 - [2] Our alliance has been running a frigate tournament between corps. Our corp is predominately Amarr and I fly a Punisher. I have had no real problem up until I came up against a Rifter flown by one of the Minmatar heavy corps. The rifter was running about twice as fast as my Punisher (around the 3km/s mark to my 1.5) and was set up for long range. It therefore maintained about a 20km distance and pounded my Punisher to pieces . My setup used 3 Medium Pulses and small Nos, even with radio crystals fitted I could not score a single hit against him. I had a MWD and webifier in meds and a MAPC, Radar back up array, Small amour rep and a capacitor power relay in lows. The only thing I could think of would be a dual mwd set up, but would like to avoid that if possible. Are there any other setup suggestions out there for a Punisher set up to counter this rifter (for when we meet again )
Phoebe McCeres	Posted - 2004.11.16 11:47:00 - [3] Maybe a 10mn AB? Not sure what gives a better speedboost. I would suggest EW. Try a tracking disruptor or ECM modules... If Medium Pulse lasers don't have enough range, maybe Medium Beam lasers do...
Phoebe McCeres	Posted - 2004.11.16 11:47:00 - [4] Maybe a 10mn AB? Not sure what gives a better speedboost. I would suggest EW. Try a tracking disruptor or ECM modules... If Medium Pulse lasers don't have enough range, maybe Medium Beam lasers do...
Slithereen	Posted - 2004.11.16 11:50:00 - [5] He probably has two MWDs instead of one. Use Medium Beams for range. Try using 10mn AB, with microaux. Slower but much harder to hit. _______________________________________________ "Is it me or the bad guys just getting totally pathetic?"---Clover, Totally Spies, "Hope is wasted on the Hopeless."---Mandy, The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy. "Stars are holes in the sky from which the light of the Infinite shine through."---Confucius.
Slithereen	Posted - 2004.11.16 11:50:00 - [6] He probably has two MWDs instead of one. Use Medium Beams for range. Try using 10mn AB, with microaux. Slower but much harder to hit. _______________________________________________ "Is it me or the bad guys just getting totally pathetic?"---Clover, Totally Spies, "Hope is wasted on the Hopeless."---Mandy, The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy. "Stars are holes in the sky from which the light of the Infinite shine through."---Confucius.
Shocky	Posted - 2004.11.16 11:57:00 - [7] Edited by: Shocky on 16/11/2004 12:00:09 Originally by: Slithereen He probably has two MWDs instead of one. Use Medium Beams for range. Try using 10mn AB, with microaux. Slower but much harder to hit. 10mn is only a good idea against npcs, for pvp its just a waste of a low slot. And no he wasnt using 2 mwds, rifter can maintain around 2900ish with a single mwd and right skills. Also I doubt he was using the mwd while orbiting or theres no way he could have hit him.
Shocky	Posted - 2004.11.16 11:57:00 - [8] Edited by: Shocky on 16/11/2004 12:00:09 Originally by: Slithereen He probably has two MWDs instead of one. Use Medium Beams for range. Try using 10mn AB, with microaux. Slower but much harder to hit. 10mn is only a good idea against npcs, for pvp its just a waste of a low slot. And no he wasnt using 2 mwds, rifter can maintain around 2900ish with a single mwd and right skills. Also I doubt he was using the mwd while orbiting or theres no way he could have hit him.
Aurelios Khadoran	Posted - 2004.11.16 12:16:00 - [9] I'm pretty sure he was using 280's and had a couple of tracking enhancing modules on.
Aurelios Khadoran	Posted - 2004.11.16 12:16:00 - [10] I'm pretty sure he was using 280's and had a couple of tracking enhancing modules on.
Katsumoto	Posted - 2004.11.16 12:17:00 - [11] i can hit while running a mwd and orbiting, and remember rifter has 2 launcher points Force Of Evil [email protected] "If i was in world war two they'd call me spitfire."
Katsumoto	Posted - 2004.11.16 12:17:00 - [12] i can hit while running a mwd and orbiting, and remember rifter has 2 launcher points Force Of Evil [email protected] "If i was in world war two they'd call me spitfire."
DUFFMANX	Posted - 2004.11.16 12:24:00 - [13] U could try putting a punsher shaped box over ur maller and trick him that way (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
DUFFMANX	Posted - 2004.11.16 12:24:00 - [14] U could try putting a punsher shaped box over ur maller and trick him that way (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
hired goon	Posted - 2004.11.16 14:27:00 - [15] Bring a badger with 2 racial jammers, disruptor, and 3 webbers. When he is caught slowly ping him to death with something humiliating, like a 75mm gatling rail. Failing that, some quick calculations show me that it's possible to fit a small cruiser gun on a Punisher. That should surprise him. The best thing you could do though is to turn up in an amarr assault frig and hope he doesn't realize the colour till its too late ------------ We come in peace. And tanks.
hired goon	Posted - 2004.11.16 14:27:00 - [16] Bring a badger with 2 racial jammers, disruptor, and 3 webbers. When he is caught slowly ping him to death with something humiliating, like a 75mm gatling rail. Failing that, some quick calculations show me that it's possible to fit a small cruiser gun on a Punisher. That should surprise him. The best thing you could do though is to turn up in an amarr assault frig and hope he doesn't realize the colour till its too late ------------ We come in peace. And tanks.
Lorth	Posted - 2004.11.16 15:21:00 - [17] lol @Hired Goon, battle badger. Well, as i don't use lasers very often I can't tell you the exact set up to use. But I would go for the longest ranged gun I can. Though your then screwed if he comes in close with auto cannons. Also depending on your set up you may wnat to armor tank the things. Punishers are about the only stnd frig that can run an effective tank, and thanks to thier uber cap they can run it for a long time.
Lorth	Posted - 2004.11.16 15:21:00 - [18] lol @Hired Goon, battle badger. Well, as i don't use lasers very often I can't tell you the exact set up to use. But I would go for the longest ranged gun I can. Though your then screwed if he comes in close with auto cannons. Also depending on your set up you may wnat to armor tank the things. Punishers are about the only stnd frig that can run an effective tank, and thanks to thier uber cap they can run it for a long time.
Aurelios Khadoran	Posted - 2004.11.16 15:38:00 - [19] Thanks for the replies so far. Even the ones that have not directly helped have given me a laugh . I guess that If I drop the items I won't get in range to use (small Nos and Webifier) I may have enough pg to fit Medium Beams with maybe a tracking computer replacing the webifier.
Aurelios Khadoran	Posted - 2004.11.16 15:38:00 - [20] Thanks for the replies so far. Even the ones that have not directly helped have given me a laugh . I guess that If I drop the items I won't get in range to use (small Nos and Webifier) I may have enough pg to fit Medium Beams with maybe a tracking computer replacing the webifier.
Pandora Panda	Posted - 2004.11.16 16:12:00 - [21] Edited by: Pandora Panda on 16/11/2004 16:15:54 I'd drop the MWD too. Its not going to do you any good in that situation. 3x Mega Beam w/Radio 2x Cap Recharger 1x Small Repairer II 1x Explosive Hardener 1x Kinetic Hardener 1x Cap Relay I think that all fits, but I'm too lazy to check. Could drop one/both rechargers for tracking computers too. You'll probably want good passive hardeners instead of active ones to conserve cap, try it with both to see which works best. -------------------------------------------- CONCORD: Kneecapping Pilots for Misdemeanors Since 2003
Pandora Panda	Posted - 2004.11.16 16:12:00 - [22] Edited by: Pandora Panda on 16/11/2004 16:15:54 I'd drop the MWD too. Its not going to do you any good in that situation. 3x Mega Beam w/Radio 2x Cap Recharger 1x Small Repairer II 1x Explosive Hardener 1x Kinetic Hardener 1x Cap Relay I think that all fits, but I'm too lazy to check. Could drop one/both rechargers for tracking computers too. You'll probably want good passive hardeners instead of active ones to conserve cap, try it with both to see which works best. -------------------------------------------- CONCORD: Kneecapping Pilots for Misdemeanors Since 2003
piercer	Posted - 2004.11.16 16:15:00 - [23] Rifters are very fast ships, you could try using an imicus. Sounds stupid but warriors drones are fast, and can do dmg to frigates. Tech II small shield booster and a sensor dampener (to bring him closer) maybe a nos and some blasters and cap relays or something should work ok. The drones do the main dmg while u just take pot shots. The old corp i was in had a frigate tournament, my rifter V the imicus, guess wat, he won!?!?! And b4 u ask no im not a total noob. ---------------------------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Bunny had an accident. Bunny lost his head.
piercer	Posted - 2004.11.16 16:15:00 - [24] Rifters are very fast ships, you could try using an imicus. Sounds stupid but warriors drones are fast, and can do dmg to frigates. Tech II small shield booster and a sensor dampener (to bring him closer) maybe a nos and some blasters and cap relays or something should work ok. The drones do the main dmg while u just take pot shots. The old corp i was in had a frigate tournament, my rifter V the imicus, guess wat, he won!?!?! And b4 u ask no im not a total noob. ---------------------------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Bunny had an accident. Bunny lost his head.
Cracken	Posted - 2004.11.16 18:35:00 - [25] if hes using missles he'll either stay at 10km and use rockets or go out too 20km and use light missles which are easily taken care of by a smart bomb.
Cracken	Posted - 2004.11.16 18:35:00 - [26] if hes using missles he'll either stay at 10km and use rockets or go out too 20km and use light missles which are easily taken care of by a smart bomb.
Terminus Est	Posted - 2004.11.16 19:28:00 - [27] I did a bit of jousting on my rifter using a 10mn AB. One of the opponents was an exceptionaly well tanked Punisher. It almost didnt hit me, since i was orbiting fast, but i could never break its tanking. It was considered a tie. I know this is not very helpfull because we're talking short range here. In that situation, me having a Nos. Or the Punisher having a Webber, might have made a diference. I dont know if our respective setups could be adjusted for such. However, i faced a Merlin in that same tournament that used a webber, and that ended up working against him. Although i took a lot more damage than in other jousts, as he could actually hit me, i was also hitting a LOT more...
Terminus Est	Posted - 2004.11.16 19:28:00 - [28] I did a bit of jousting on my rifter using a 10mn AB. One of the opponents was an exceptionaly well tanked Punisher. It almost didnt hit me, since i was orbiting fast, but i could never break its tanking. It was considered a tie. I know this is not very helpfull because we're talking short range here. In that situation, me having a Nos. Or the Punisher having a Webber, might have made a diference. I dont know if our respective setups could be adjusted for such. However, i faced a Merlin in that same tournament that used a webber, and that ended up working against him. Although i took a lot more damage than in other jousts, as he could actually hit me, i was also hitting a LOT more...
Vampire Blade	Posted - 2004.11.16 21:02:00 - [29] Originally by: hired goon Bring a badger with 2 racial jammers, disruptor, and 3 webbers. When he is caught slowly ping him to death with something humiliating, like a 75mm gatling rail. Failing that, some quick calculations show me that it's possible to fit a small cruiser gun on a Punisher. That should surprise him. The best thing you could do though is to turn up in an amarr assault frig and hope he doesn't realize the colour till its too late goon, what happened to your warbadger last night? ----- ----- -----
Vampire Blade	Posted - 2004.11.16 21:02:00 - [30] Originally by: hired goon Bring a badger with 2 racial jammers, disruptor, and 3 webbers. When he is caught slowly ping him to death with something humiliating, like a 75mm gatling rail. Failing that, some quick calculations show me that it's possible to fit a small cruiser gun on a Punisher. That should surprise him. The best thing you could do though is to turn up in an amarr assault frig and hope he doesn't realize the colour till its too late goon, what happened to your warbadger last night? ----- ----- -----
Weirda	Posted - 2004.11.16 21:30:00 - [31] Originally by: piercer Rifters are very fast ships, you could try using an imicus. Sounds stupid but warriors drones are fast, and can do dmg to frigates. Tech II small shield booster and a sensor dampener (to bring him closer) maybe a nos and some blasters and cap relays or something should work ok. The drones do the main dmg while u just take pot shots. The old corp i was in had a frigate tournament, my rifter V the imicus, guess wat, he won!?!?! And b4 u ask no im not a total noob. Piercer hit the nail on the head here. Throw a sensor dampener on his ass and he will have to close. Leave your (better tracking) med pulse in. When he close, he will have to slow down or he will miss you. The rest is up to you. -- Thread Killer <END TRANSMISSION>
Weirda	Posted - 2004.11.16 21:30:00 - [32] Originally by: piercer Rifters are very fast ships, you could try using an imicus. Sounds stupid but warriors drones are fast, and can do dmg to frigates. Tech II small shield booster and a sensor dampener (to bring him closer) maybe a nos and some blasters and cap relays or something should work ok. The drones do the main dmg while u just take pot shots. The old corp i was in had a frigate tournament, my rifter V the imicus, guess wat, he won!?!?! And b4 u ask no im not a total noob. Piercer hit the nail on the head here. Throw a sensor dampener on his ass and he will have to close. Leave your (better tracking) med pulse in. When he close, he will have to slow down or he will miss you. The rest is up to you. -- Thread Killer <END TRANSMISSION>
Aegis Osiris	Posted - 2004.11.16 23:24:00 - [33] Also, turn off your MWD. No reason to run it if he just keeps his distance, and the sig penalty makes you easier for those 280's to hit. Keep moving, try to move at a parallel to him to keep your transversal as high as possible: it'll mess with him more then you. If your pulses with radio can hit him at that range, keep them for the better tracking. Or, just armor tank it :)
Aegis Osiris	Posted - 2004.11.16 23:24:00 - [34] Also, turn off your MWD. No reason to run it if he just keeps his distance, and the sig penalty makes you easier for those 280's to hit. Keep moving, try to move at a parallel to him to keep your transversal as high as possible: it'll mess with him more then you. If your pulses with radio can hit him at that range, keep them for the better tracking. Or, just armor tank it :)
Aurelios Khadoran	Posted - 2004.11.17 01:52:00 - [35] Edited by: Aurelios Khadoran on 17/11/2004 01:56:05 Thanks for all the tips guys . I'm pleased to say that after following much of your advice I emerged victorious on the 2nd leg. Without the MWD on he seemed to have real trouble hitting me, despite me moving at around 350ms. he must have scored 1 maybe 2 hits only. I also used medium beams with a heatsink and targetting computer and was scoring hits easily.
Aurelios Khadoran	Posted - 2004.11.17 01:52:00 - [36] Edited by: Aurelios Khadoran on 17/11/2004 01:56:05 Thanks for all the tips guys . I'm pleased to say that after following much of your advice I emerged victorious on the 2nd leg. Without the MWD on he seemed to have real trouble hitting me, despite me moving at around 350ms. he must have scored 1 maybe 2 hits only. I also used medium beams with a heatsink and targetting computer and was scoring hits easily.
Epofhis	Posted - 2004.11.19 20:54:00 - [37] Edited by: Epofhis on 19/11/2004 21:02:40 *************START TRANSMISSION*************** 1. Don't pilot the punisher to counter rifter setup 2. DO pilot the ?cruicifer? i think its called the one w/ 3 MED slots 3. fit some jammers + webby/ or mwd to catch him (don't forget racial jammer)/ or dampners (i used webby) 4. lousy weap layout but throw in some light drones ************END TRANSMISSION******************* I have owned dual mwd rifter setups in corp jousts by haveing the clever setup noone expects it and ones i didnt own i at least drawed w/ them and a draw is better than a loss EDIT: forgot dampners there are you happy now, my sig fits every rule. Now, no delete me pls, I promise to be good!!!11010101!!
Epofhis	Posted - 2004.11.19 20:54:00 - [38] Edited by: Epofhis on 19/11/2004 21:02:40 *************START TRANSMISSION*************** 1. Don't pilot the punisher to counter rifter setup 2. DO pilot the ?cruicifer? i think its called the one w/ 3 MED slots 3. fit some jammers + webby/ or mwd to catch him (don't forget racial jammer)/ or dampners (i used webby) 4. lousy weap layout but throw in some light drones ************END TRANSMISSION******************* I have owned dual mwd rifter setups in corp jousts by haveing the clever setup noone expects it and ones i didnt own i at least drawed w/ them and a draw is better than a loss EDIT: forgot dampners there are you happy now, my sig fits every rule. Now, no delete me pls, I promise to be good!!!11010101!!
Random	Posted - 2004.11.20 02:03:00 - [39] Edited by: Random on 20/11/2004 02:06:12 Use a uhh what is the name of it again ? crusefier/executener or sumthing, the frigg wich has the same hull as amarr intys, its fast and nible i think this fitting shuld work 2 dualpulses/dual beams (named if u whant) (radio cristals) 1 mwd (-"-) 1 overdrive injector (or the thing that gives agilety+speed thingy) 1/2 caprelays 0/1 heatsinks/tracking thingy Orbit him at 15km and dont lett him webb u.
Random	Posted - 2004.11.20 02:03:00 - [40] Edited by: Random on 20/11/2004 02:06:12 Use a uhh what is the name of it again ? crusefier/executener or sumthing, the frigg wich has the same hull as amarr intys, its fast and nible i think this fitting shuld work 2 dualpulses/dual beams (named if u whant) (radio cristals) 1 mwd (-"-) 1 overdrive injector (or the thing that gives agilety+speed thingy) 1/2 caprelays 0/1 heatsinks/tracking thingy Orbit him at 15km and dont lett him webb u.

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