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343guilty1 Gallente Forgotten Godz Massive Intergalactic Love Klub	Posted - 2009.12.22 02:26:00 - [1] 343Guilty1's Lotto Lotto for a PLEX (Pilot License Exstention) Quick Q&A- How much are tickets? Tickets will be sold at 10mil or 10,000,0000isk each How many tickets will be sold? There will be a Total of 50 Tickets How do I buy my tickets? Send your money to 343Guilty1 in increments of 10million isk (10, 20, 30 etc) and in the reason put Lotto-1 and the numbers you'd like, then post the numbers you would like here also. How will we know who is the winner and how will you pick? Being my first lotto, i will be using the 3rd party services of Peraxx, who is a well established Lotto runner, as you can see here. Peraxx lotto The lotto will end and a winner will be drawn after all 50 tickets have been sold, then on to the next lotto. If you don't like waiting, you can get your friends to buy tickets to, corp mates, advertise in your system, etc. I will have Peraxx post screenshot of the PLEX to confirm he has the items and is indeed the third party. Also, for more up to date details, join the in game channel "Peraxx-lotto" to view current and past lotterys. Thank you for your time and good luck!
Peraxx Amarr Peraxx Lottery Corp.	Posted - 2009.12.22 02:32:00 - [2] Confirming I hold the PLEX. Screenshot here Good luck to all! Win a Moros for 10Mil!
343guilty1 Gallente Forgotten Godz Massive Intergalactic Love Klub	Posted - 2009.12.22 02:32:00 - [3] 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50
shallow	Posted - 2009.12.22 03:26:00 - [4] Isk sent for 2 tickets, nr 6 and 32 plz :) thank you
343Guilty2	Posted - 2009.12.22 03:36:00 - [5] Originally by: shallow Isk sent for 2 tickets, nr 6 and 32 plz :) thank you isk recieved numbers updated
Naomi Wildfire Amarr Stardust Heavy Industries Majesta Empire	Posted - 2009.12.22 03:40:00 - [6] 500m for a plex card? good luck with that ripoff... --- New Horizons Stand your Ground
343guilty1 Gallente Forgotten Godz Massive Intergalactic Love Klub	Posted - 2009.12.22 03:44:00 - [7] Originally by: Naomi Wildfire 500m for a plex card? good luck with that ripoff... no, it's 10mil for a plex, that's the idea of a lotto
shallow	Posted - 2009.12.22 03:47:00 - [8] well it wont be 500mill for a plex unless you buy all the tickets.. ;) if you buy 1 ticket and you win you get a plex for 10mill.. is that a ripoff? noooo :)
Naomi Wildfire Amarr Stardust Heavy Industries Majesta Empire	Posted - 2009.12.22 04:03:00 - [9] well, almost 200% market value, i would call it ripoff. --- New Horizons Stand your Ground
343guilty1 Gallente Forgotten Godz Massive Intergalactic Love Klub	Posted - 2009.12.22 04:14:00 - [10] Originally by: Naomi Wildfire Edited by: Naomi Wildfire on 22/12/2009 04:05:08 well, almost 200% market value, i would call it ripoff. Its like a titan lottery with a ticket value of 140b maybe you don't understand the concept? you only pay 10mil for a chance to win the lotto
Naomi Wildfire Amarr Stardust Heavy Industries Majesta Empire	Posted - 2009.12.22 04:23:00 - [11] oh i understand the concept and i understand that you want to make profit with it, but 500m profit per plex cant be taken serious. You could either raise the chance to win by reducing the amount of tickets, or reduce their costs. But thats just my opinion, i hope you dont sell your tickets. --- New Horizons Stand your Ground
kra torii United Systems Navy Zenith Affinity	Posted - 2009.12.22 04:26:00 - [12] Originally by: Naomi Wildfire oh i understand the concept and i understand that you want to make profit with it, but 500m profit per plex cant be taken serious. You could either raise the chance to win by reducing the amount of tickets, or reduce their costs. But thats just my opinion, i hope you dont sell your tickets. Not meaning to sound like an idiot here, but the guy probably has 3rd party fee's to pay as well? The whole concept is, he's making a profit, while giving people a chance to win the item for a low price.
343guilty1 Gallente Forgotten Godz Massive Intergalactic Love Klub	Posted - 2009.12.22 04:28:00 - [13] Originally by: Naomi Wildfire oh i understand the concept and i understand that you want to make profit with it, but 500m profit per plex cant be taken serious. You could either raise the chance to win by reducing the amount of tickets, or reduce their costs. But thats just my opinion, i hope you dont sell your tickets. Look don't buy, move on, if someone wants to win a PLEX for 10mil, then they buy here, now move along and stop pestering my thread
Abervest	Posted - 2009.12.22 04:31:00 - [14] i like that you and shallow are buying each others lotteries, i hope you both win
343guilty1 Gallente Forgotten Godz Massive Intergalactic Love Klub	Posted - 2009.12.22 04:34:00 - [15] Originally by: Abervest i like that you and shallow are buying each others lotteries, i hope you both win don't worry, were both using third parties
shallow	Posted - 2009.12.22 04:38:00 - [16] hey I need a plex for my account haha :P and if I have a chance to get one for 10 mill ofc I play along :)
Naomi Wildfire Amarr Stardust Heavy Industries Majesta Empire	Posted - 2009.12.22 05:33:00 - [17] Edited by: Naomi Wildfire on 22/12/2009 05:34:25 Originally by: Abervest i like that you and shallow are buying each others lotteries, i hope you both win Maybe they win the moros of Peraxx too Quote: Not meaning to sound like an idiot here, but the guy probably has 3rd party fee's to pay as well? even the most expensive of all 3rd parties (the veldspar man) wouldnt take that much to take care of a plex card --- New Horizons Stand your Ground
343guilty1 Gallente Forgotten Godz Massive Intergalactic Love Klub	Posted - 2009.12.22 05:56:00 - [18] Originally by: Naomi Wildfire Edited by: Naomi Wildfire on 22/12/2009 05:34:25 Originally by: Abervest i like that you and shallow are buying each others lotteries, i hope you both win Maybe they win the moros of Peraxx too Quote: Not meaning to sound like an idiot here, but the guy probably has 3rd party fee's to pay as well? even the most expensive of all 3rd parties (the veldspar man) wouldnt take that much to take care of a plex card I'm asking nicely for you to please not come back to this thread, if you don't like it stop coming back, end of story. I will NOT ask again.
Creepin	Posted - 2009.12.22 16:21:00 - [19] Originally by: 343guilty1 Originally by: Naomi Wildfire 500m for a plex card? good luck with that ripoff... no, it's 10mil for a plex, that's the idea of a lotto The idea of a lotto is to make total for all tickets a bit higher than the price of an item being lottoed for the sake of runner's trouble. Now, selling lotto tickets for a total almost twice higher than item's price was always, and will be, called ripoff, because by doing so you're basically charging double for an item. Originally by: shallow well it wont be 500mill for a plex unless you buy all the tickets.. ;) if you buy 1 ticket and you win you get a plex for 10mill.. is that a ripoff? noooo :) If you buy 1 ticket of THIS lotto your chances of winning will be likely twice less than if there were reasonable markup, so sorry, it's still ripoff
Alcmeme	Posted - 2009.12.22 18:30:00 - [20] Just sent ISK for 1 Ticket... No. 42 please.
Alcmeme	Posted - 2009.12.22 18:43:00 - [21] Originally by: Creepin Originally by: 343guilty1 Originally by: Naomi Wildfire 500m for a plex card? good luck with that ripoff... no, it's 10mil for a plex, that's the idea of a lotto The idea of a lotto is to make total for all tickets a bit higher than the price of an item being lottoed for the sake of runner's trouble. Now, selling lotto tickets for a total almost twice higher than item's price was always, and will be, called ripoff, because by doing so you're basically charging double for an item. Originally by: shallow well it wont be 500mill for a plex unless you buy all the tickets.. ;) if you buy 1 ticket and you win you get a plex for 10mill.. is that a ripoff? noooo :) If you buy 1 ticket of THIS lotto your chances of winning will be likely twice less than if there were reasonable markup, so sorry, it's still ripoff Creepin's point here is that in this case 10mil/Ticket @ 50 tickets sold you have a 2.00% chance of winning the prize per ticket. The current going rate for PLEXes is about 270mil. A "Reasonable" Markup might be 300-350mil... lets take the higher example. 10mil/Ticket @ 35 Tickets would give you a 2.85% chance of winning per ticket. And at the lower example 10mil/Ticket @ 35 Tickets would give you a 3.33% chance of winning per ticket. I will give you that it is a better chance that you will get it. But in the end the winner is still determined by a dice roll. That slightly higher percentage chance still gives a slight advantage but there is a higher odd that you will not get it. so whats left... I take it as i do undocking.. If i am not willing to lose the ISK I don't buy a ticket.
343guilty1 Gallente Forgotten Godz Massive Intergalactic Love Klub	Posted - 2009.12.23 01:53:00 - [22] Originally by: Alcmeme Just sent ISK for 1 Ticket... No. 42 please. have not recieved the isk, make sure it was sent to 343guilty1 And i understand the point you guys are making, but i was just trying to get a nice number of 50 i will take note and change for future lottos
Abervest	Posted - 2009.12.23 01:56:00 - [23] Edited by: Abervest on 23/12/2009 01:56:22 Originally by: 343guilty1 Originally by: Abervest i like that you and shallow are buying each others lotteries, i hope you both win don't worry, were both using third parties my point was that you look just a little sketchy
343guilty1 Gallente Forgotten Godz Massive Intergalactic Love Klub	Posted - 2009.12.23 02:00:00 - [24] Originally by: Abervest Edited by: Abervest on 23/12/2009 01:56:22 Originally by: 343guilty1 Originally by: Abervest i like that you and shallow are buying each others lotteries, i hope you both win don't worry, were both using third parties my point was that you look just a little sketchy understandable, i can see what you mean, we'll have to avoid it in the future
shallow	Posted - 2009.12.23 02:04:00 - [25] If people have so much problem with me buy'n tickets in 343guilty1's lottery then I can just retract them. allthough I can't see why there should be a problem with that.. I allso bought tickets in Paraxx's lotto, T'ambers lotto and chribbas lotto. if I like the price bein giving out I enter the lotto :) unless ofc my own lotto's
343guilty1 Gallente Forgotten Godz Massive Intergalactic Love Klub	Posted - 2009.12.23 02:13:00 - [26] Originally by: shallow If people have so much problem with me buy'n tickets in 343guilty1's lottery then I can just retract them. allthough I can't see why there should be a problem with that.. I allso bought tickets in Paraxx's lotto, T'ambers lotto and chribbas lotto. if I like the price bein giving out I enter the lotto :) unless ofc my own lotto's it's simply because we know each other people think it's rigged =/
343guilty1 Gallente Forgotten Godz Massive Intergalactic Love Klub	Posted - 2009.12.23 06:13:00 - [27] bump to the top
Alice Celadon	Posted - 2009.12.23 06:32:00 - [28] There's a reason T'Amber et al. disallow anyone they're affiliated with in their lotteries...
Ralle030583 Mystic Lion Hearts Sev3rance	Posted - 2009.12.23 07:44:00 - [29] Originally by: Alice Celadon There's a reason T'Amber et al. disallow anyone they're affiliated with in their lotteries... or any other serious lottery ...

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