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Logi Trick
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Posted - 2009.12.27 23:29:00 -
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Whats happened to the HULK's price lately? The price on a HULK has nearly doubled? how can that be? Is it because of the patch?
I really hope some one can tell me..
Cheers and fly safe Logi ;) 
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Cheesestick Charlie
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Posted - 2009.12.27 23:40:00 -
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Something to do with changed production requirements.
Still.
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Gareshor
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Posted - 2009.12.27 23:40:00 -
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High-sec pirates have been dropping hulks with a single tempest, with almost no loss of money, or at the most, costs of under 10 million per kill. Good timing allows them to negate this loss by catching a Hulk pilot with a full hold or a sizeable amount of jetcanned ore.
With negligible costs of killing hulks, the demand for hulks has shot up as pilots seek to replace them. Therefore...price jump.
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Clair Bear
Ursine Research and Production
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Posted - 2009.12.28 01:01:00 -
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You can't possibly believe that. Hulks were at one time the most produced ship in all of eve. Every freaking belt in highsec is infested with at least one. Even if every pilot in eve capable of entering highsec ganked them until we were all -10 it would barely put a dent in the population.
Higher build costs are the real answer.
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Bret Caliaro
Fortuna inc.
Leather Rose Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.12.28 04:01:00 -
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There are a few threads explaining this but in truth it's all your fault. If it wasn't for you hulk prices would be lower.
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Kushan
Caldari
Taggart Transdimensional
Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2009.12.28 04:12:00 -
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Edited by: Kushan on 28/12/2009 04:12:44
 Originally by: Gareshor
High-sec pirates have been dropping hulks with a single tempest, with almost no loss of money, or at the most, costs of under 10 million per kill. Good timing allows them to negate this loss by catching a Hulk pilot with a full hold or a sizeable amount of jetcanned ore.
With negligible costs of killing hulks, the demand for hulks has shot up as pilots seek to replace them. Therefore...price jump.
As I recall Jihadswarm didn't put a dent in the hulk prices when it happened, and tbh, I doubt there are enough matar BS pilots with enough SP, security status, and the desire to gank hulks to rival Jihadswarm. That being said, tempests are really awesome for ganking hulks.
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Eana
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.12.28 15:40:00 -
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I haven't manufactured any hulks since the new expansion in which they re-jiggled the requirements and since I have not had access to my eve spreadsheet i have not had a chance to calculate the difference in construction costs. However as far as I can tell, the ships which use the same components (which I also build) have not had a price increase at all. Which leads me to believe there is a hulk-specific factor affecting price.
Is anyone able to confirm whether more hulks are being targeted for pk or not?
Also can anyone confirm if the production cost has changed for hulks?
And are there perhaps any other factors contributing to an increased demand?
The suden price jump is making me quite curious :)
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Dave PSI
Haendlergilde
Gilde Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.28 16:28:00 -
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build costs increased since the patch, and the unstable material prices probably prevent many people from invention atm. It is hard to calculate profits, when the material prices changes by +-20-50% every day.
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Festidious Verrucas
Draconis Alumni
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Posted - 2009.12.28 16:29:00 -
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It down to productions costs which have spiralled due to dominion changes in that the hulks build materials have changed. The price of t2 moon goo has also increased due to t2 changes as well as speculators driving costs.
I did a quick look at hulk build costs some days ago and base cost excluing a -4/-4 bpc or invention costs as 165m.
On top of that you have the savvy traders who brought up the old priced hulks en masse and are re-selling and also the builders cashing in on using old stock piles of materials to make and proffit at the new costs too.
Fly safe,
Fes.
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Wayward Daughter
Swords of the Righteous
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Posted - 2009.12.28 16:48:00 -
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Answering OP: "Threads like this."
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ivana lewis
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Posted - 2009.12.28 19:04:00 -
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myself and a couple of freinds started playing eve again after a previous breif trail in the game. anyway between us we have 5 accounts and we were looking at getting 4 hulks, the problem is that the price has increased by about 200 million for all of them 
not great for us .....any idea if the prices will lower in time or is it worth buying 2 conveyors and 2 hulks instead?
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Erfnam
Tech 1 Holdings Limited
Superior Eve Engineering
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Posted - 2009.12.28 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: ivana lewis
myself and a couple of freinds started playing eve again after a previous breif trail in the game. anyway between us we have 5 accounts and we were looking at getting 4 hulks, the problem is that the price has increased by about 200 million for all of them
not great for us .....any idea if the prices will lower in time or is it worth buying 2 conveyors and 2 hulks instead?
Hulk prices are still much cheaper than pre-invention days, which is nice. Even at the 415m I paid for my first hulk, it was well worth the cost. That was also before everyone realized how cheap and easy it was to pop one in empire.
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Jones Bones
Final Agony
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Posted - 2009.12.29 06:44:00 -
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The higher the price, the better our Hulkacide campaign looks!
200m each is not satisfactory. I want to see 250 or even 300!
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Kanatta Jing
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Posted - 2009.12.29 08:10:00 -
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The Hulk is 200m because people are willing to pay 200m for a Hulk.
If you don't like it, buy a Covetor and grind it down for minerals when Hulk prices return to sanity.
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Festidious Verrucas
Draconis Alumni
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Posted - 2009.12.29 13:08:00 -
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Pretty sure I paid about 600m ish for my 1st one... 185? stop complaining!
Fly safe,
Fes.
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Luca Lure
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Posted - 2010.01.02 17:34:00 -
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Somewhere from november 2009 somebody started trading a lot of hulks. Maybe buying them an mass. Thereby manipulating the market prices.
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Agnostos Theos
Gallente
Southern Cross Trilogy
Flying Dangerous
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Posted - 2010.01.03 00:28:00 -
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Cribba keeps buying them all so no-one can steal his veld........
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2010.01.03 00:47:00 -
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As I said in the last one of these things ... Covetors mine almost as much as Hulks. The only thing the Hulks have over the Covetors is a larger cargo hold and better tank. Thus - if you are jet can mining, in mission space, in a quiet system - you've no real "need" for a Hulk. The Hulk is a better ship than the Covetor - but even before the price jump it was 5 times as much or so.
If you don't want to pay what it costs for a Hulk - buy a Covetor and use it until the Hulk prices drop, then resell it or just keep it for a back up in case your oh so expensive Hulk gets ganked. One thing about a Covetor - is that if you are worried about losing it - unlike a Hulk - you can fully insure a Covetor.
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Vossten Vader
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Posted - 2010.01.03 00:50:00 -
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You might want to consider http://www.eve-guides.com/mining/completeminersguide_v2.2-34.php
Yes a Covetor is good, but a Hulk is still better. Exhumer Skill takes a few days to train to IV and it gives you 12% more yield already.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2010.01.03 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Vossten Vader
You might want to consider http://www.eve-guides.com/mining/completeminersguide_v2.2-34.php
Yes a Covetor is good, but a Hulk is still better. Exhumer Skill takes a few days to train to IV and it gives you 12% more yield already.
Yep - the Exhumer skill (which itself costs more than a Covetor) trained to level IV will allow you to mine 12% more efficiently in a ship that cost you 1000% more.
If you've got a lot of money just laying around with nothing to spend it on - and you really, really want that 12% - then go for it.
But otherwise - if you don't really need the extra cargo hold and tank ... you can make do with a Covetor ... at least until Hulk prices drop to the point where they are only 500% more.
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Parzifal
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Posted - 2010.01.13 20:35:00 -
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Speculation also has much to do with hulk prices. I know a guy who bought all the hulks on the market last year for 100-110 million ISK and resold them for 180 million ISK. The prices haven't come down since then.
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Kissy Face
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Posted - 2010.01.14 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
Originally by: Vossten Vader
You might want to consider http://www.eve-guides.com/mining/completeminersguide_v2.2-34.php
Yes a Covetor is good, but a Hulk is still better. Exhumer Skill takes a few days to train to IV and it gives you 12% more yield already.
Yep - the Exhumer skill (which itself costs more than a Covetor) trained to level IV will allow you to mine 12% more efficiently in a ship that cost you 1000% more.
If you've got a lot of money just laying around with nothing to spend it on - and you really, really want that 12% - then go for it.
But otherwise - if you don't really need the extra cargo hold and tank ... you can make do with a Covetor ... at least until Hulk prices drop to the point where they are only 500% more.
Or the fact it has better resists and can fit a tank that can take on triple BS rat spawns without a problem, making you self sufficient in most lone mining situations and not having to bother with rats until your mining drones are done doing what they are doing.
T2 is expensive. the ROI in the hulk if piloted responsibly and with skills and resources that make your ore into liquid ISK is greater than the measly cost of it.
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