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Studio Ghibli	Posted - 2009.12.27 23:47:00 - [1] My wife and I play EVE. While our accounts are old, we've logged very little time in-game, this fact owing mostly to WoW. In any case, while she was out today, I was using her account and my account to mine veldspar outside of Auvergne. She was in a hauler and I was in my Retriever with mining drones out. The details are a little rough, but here's what happened- Someone warps into the belt with an Incursus and flies straight to us. They drop a jetcan. I hop over to her computer and attempt to move the ore out of my can and into her hauler. I'm not sure if I succeeded at this or not--because the next thing I know, the Incursus starts flashing red and the hauler automatically starts locking onto it. The rest is space dust. What happened? :(
Forranz Malice. Tentative Nature	Posted - 2009.12.27 23:56:00 - [2] Account sharing is against the EULA or TOS or something. As to your situation, he flipped your can, you took from can, he took from you.
Studio Ghibli	Posted - 2009.12.27 23:59:00 - [3] I'm curious. If he takes ore out of MY can and then puts it back into my can, my can is no longer my can but is now his can? And if I try to take from it, I'm stealing from him?
Studio Ghibli	Posted - 2009.12.28 00:21:00 - [4] Yeah. I'm a noob. Flipping was explained to me. ;P
Blinkystar	Posted - 2009.12.28 01:05:00 - [5] Originally by: Forranz Account sharing is against the EULA or TOS or something. My argument on this... In the US,a married couple are considered a single person under common law. So technically they are not sharing anything.
Navtiqes Space Sheriff	Posted - 2009.12.28 02:08:00 - [6] Originally by: Blinkystar Originally by: Forranz Account sharing is against the EULA or TOS or something. My argument on this... In the US,a married couple are considered a single person under common law. So technically they are not sharing anything. In Sweden sheep are considered fair game. In EVE it's the EULA we go by, although in your case I doubt you're in trouble.
Studio Ghibli	Posted - 2009.12.28 02:09:00 - [7] I certainly don't want to be in any trouble. The wife was upset enough with me. :p On the plus, her hauler was an old Itty 2, even though she could fly an Itty 3. We took advantage of this opportunity to upgrade to do exactly that. We've also committed this experience to memory. Say no to can flips. :\|
thetorsoboy Minmatar Universal Defense Contrators	Posted - 2009.12.28 02:13:00 - [8] Can flipping is where they take all of the stuff in your can and put it into their own, so when you try to get your stuff, it's their can. Then they can shoot you. -- My Blog: http://moobs.avempire.net/
Eveadora	Posted - 2009.12.28 03:04:00 - [9] Originally by: thetorsoboy Can flipping is where they take all of the stuff in your can and put it into their own, so when you try to get your stuff, it's their can. Then they can shoot you. So best to look at the can and see if it's a certain color when people are nearby to make sure it's still the original owners? Is that a plausible way of telling if somebody close by flipped the can?
Sandeep	Posted - 2009.12.28 03:20:00 - [10] Originally by: Eveadora So best to look at the can and see if it's a certain color when people are nearby to make sure it's still the original owners? Is that a plausible way of telling if somebody close by flipped the can? Why would anyone ever need to close the jet can window? If the window closed on you, it's been popped or flipped. There is still a bug where near simultaneous pulling of contents from jet can will flag both the thief and the owner to each other. So, if someone is stealing your stuff, write off the loss or be prepared to fight or dock for 15 minutes. /thread

Eveadora	Posted - 2009.12.28 03:24:00 - [11] Edited by: Eveadora on 28/12/2009 03:25:34 oh, ok. I didn't know the cargo window would close if it was flipped. Great to hear, thanks for the info. Generally speaking if somebody else is within cargo reaching range of a can of ours I'm going to be a bit more careful in case it's somebody that simply wants to start a fight without consequences of concord thanking them for their ship.
Sandeep	Posted - 2009.12.28 04:04:00 - [12] Originally by: Eveadora Although I can see reasons for closing the containers window, like it's full so you open a new one. I don't like having 15 different windows open at the same time, it's too confusing to me at times in eve. 12 is about my max By default they open in a stacked window. Besides, if you have 12 jet cans, that's 330000 m3.. about twice of Orca's capacity. /thread
Elukka	Posted - 2009.12.28 04:39:00 - [13] When you try to "steal", from a can flipper or otherwise, you should get a warning stating they can kill you if you do it, unless you've turned the warning off.
Hallan De'estus	Posted - 2009.12.29 23:01:00 - [14] If you've not read it, this guide has an excellent bit of advice. Fly safe. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1020825
Baka Lakadaka Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2009.12.30 00:10:00 - [15] Edited by: Baka Lakadaka on 30/12/2009 00:10:55 Originally by: Studio Ghibli I hop over to her computer and attempt to move the ore out of my can and into her hauler. I'm not sure if I succeeded at this or not--because the next thing I know, the Incursus starts flashing red and the hauler automatically starts locking onto it. I think your problem was in that first line - no I'm going to tell you you can't share your accounts with your wife - I'm sure that's quite a common occurrence. What happened was you moved from one computer to another and in doing so didn't notice that something was different. Dual boxing takes a little more concentration than flying one account. The can flipper probably dropped his can and renamed it to be the same as yours. He then took everything from your can and placed it in his own, in doing so, your can exploded, leaving his in it's place. I'd suggest you go to the ESC menu and make sure the warning for taking someone else's stuff is turned on - it will pop up a message saying you're about to steal or something similar and give you an option to stop. Also check the colour of the can - yellow means it belongs to someone else. If in doubt, leave the can and move on - assume the can flipper has flipped it already. Losing a little ore is annoying, but losing your ships is more so. edit: I failed at quoting - formatting fixed. ______________________ Agony Unleashed Home of the PvP University.
Toshiro GreyHawk	Posted - 2009.12.30 09:46:00 - [16] Actually - your big mistake was having the ore still in the can in the first place. What I do ... I put a bookmark in the jet can or create it by jettisoning one. That way the book mark keeps the can open but the hauler *IMMEDIATELY* takes the ore out of the can. There fore there is NEVER any ore in the can for any longer than it takes the hauler to move it out of there. If someone comes in my belt - I do a Look on them - then move my POV around to the stern of their ship to see where they are going. If they are going for my jet can - I pull the book mark (which will fit in a full cargo hold BTW) and pop the can. The would be can flipper sees that I am alert - and goes off to bother someone else. You can put a book mark in your hold by opening your people and places function, going to the places tab and dragging the book mark into your cargo hold. Hold down Shift while you do it and it will make a copy of the book mark. If you give the book mark to someone - they can drag it into their people and places the same way, just drop it up near the top or in a folder. Orbiting vs. Kiting Faction Schools
Nareg Maxence Gallente JotunHeim Hird	Posted - 2009.12.30 10:43:00 - [17] The best way to avoid can flipping is to not mine in populated areas. Try to get off the beaten track. I don't really like mining personally, but have done it on occation, even on a single account just mining into a can and fetching it when it's full. In a quiet system you most likely wont have any issues.
Dasola Minmatar	Posted - 2010.01.02 10:13:00 - [18] if you have two people in fleet, best way to avoid canflip is use Giant Secure Container. Anchor it in place and password protect. I have lost count how many canfliper thiefs i have manage to disapoint with this strategy. They fly in, drop a can and try to flip mine ;) and then they fly away empty handed.
Sungas	Posted - 2010.01.02 18:43:00 - [19] Edited by: Sungas on 02/01/2010 18:43:58 Can flippers take the path of least resistance. It is easier to fly from belt to belt as opposed to scanning for victims. In other words, mission asteroids take effort to locate and asteroid belts do not. Get a level one combat mission (in .9 space if you want no rat harrasment) and clear the initial rats. There is a good chance there are asteroids in the mission complex. Bookmark an asteroid and don't complete the mission with the issuing agent until you have mined to your heart's content. Some missions offer very nice ore. Don't complete the mission at all and let it respawn daily (will need to clear the npcs again) for about a week's worth of mining.
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2010.01.03 02:38:00 - [20] The ideal situation for the OP would be to have the wife's character train up to fly an Orca. No more cans, no more can flipping, and you have a massive cargo hold to take your refined minerals to market in! Not only that, but you can carry all your mining, exploration and level 1 missioning ships in one go! The added bonus is the extra boost the orca pilot gives to your mining character. There's only the minor issue of the cost of the orca to cover, after that it's all gravy. [Aussie players: join channel ANZAC]

WarlockX Amarr Free Trade Corp	Posted - 2010.01.03 03:58:00 - [21] Originally by: Navtiqes Originally by: Blinkystar Originally by: Forranz Account sharing is against the EULA or TOS or something. My argument on this... In the US,a married couple are considered a single person under common law. So technically they are not sharing anything. In Sweden sheep are considered fair game. In EVE it's the EULA we go by, although in your case I doubt you're in trouble. EULA cannot override law! If law says married couple are one person then they are regardless of what the EULA said. If the EULA said I was allowed to go to someone's house and kill them if they destroy my ship would I be able to? No, because that breaks the law and the law comes first. ----------------------------------------------- Free Trade Corp - Flash page
Forranz Malice. Tentative Nature	Posted - 2010.01.03 08:05:00 - [22] EULA can not override the law because it does not. If you violate the EULA, then you can be banned, warned, scolded, caned. You get the picture.
Lyra Sarum	Posted - 2010.01.03 08:21:00 - [23] As if CCP really care if you share an account with your wife.. but it's a good 'out' for them if something goes wrong. Are accounts shared.. every.. single.. day. But not mine. of course.
Vixa Ambrodel Minmatar CrayC Inc.	Posted - 2010.01.04 07:22:00 - [24] Originally by: WarlockX EULA cannot override law! If law says married couple are one person then they are regardless of what the EULA said. While that law may say that they are one person, they are still not allowed to share an account according to the EULA. Section 2.A Quote: You may not share your Account with anyone, or allow anyone other than you personally (or your minor child, if you have registered an Account on behalf of your minor child) to access or use your Account. Joint or shared ownership or use of an Account by more than one user is prohibited. Section 2.B Quote: You will be asked to select a password during the registration process ("Password"). You may not disclose your Password to anyone or allow anyone to use your Password to access the System or play EVE. You are responsible for maintaining the confidentiality of your Password and for any damage, harm, lost or deleted characters, etc. resulting from your disclosure, or allowing the disclosure, of any Password, or from use by any person of your Password. You may not obtain, attempt to obtain, use or attempt to use the password of anyone else. You are responsible for remembering your Account information and Password. But that's all besides the point. They can't be sharing accounts if they are both logged on at the same time, mining and hauling. That's a minimum of two accounts... --- Originally by: Vixa Ambrodel If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen or fit another thermal hardener!
Jojo Redana	Posted - 2010.01.04 08:51:00 - [25] Drop that EULA violation bull**** already... If CCP wants to ban every married couple who plays eve.. then go for it. To the topic. You can always add 'corporation' to your overview. It makes easier to notice who own's the can (or wreck). -- I'm lost in space
Serpents smile	Posted - 2010.01.04 11:11:00 - [26] Originally by: Studio Ghibli because the next thing I know, the Incursus starts flashing red and the hauler automatically starts locking onto it. What you may want to do is hit ESC in game and set auto target to 0. May save you some trouble if you don't know what you are doing.
Ancy Denaries Forever Unbound	Posted - 2010.01.05 07:46:00 - [27] Originally by: Sandeep By default they open in a stacked window. Besides, if you have 12 jet cans, that's 330000 m3.. about twice of Orca's capacity. He's talking about GSCs. So your math is way off. 3900 x 12 = 46 800. Which, incidently is the max amount of GSCs in an impel. ---- The Demigodess with a Conscience - An EVE IC Blog Personal Killboard
Toshiro GreyHawk	Posted - 2010.01.05 08:17:00 - [28] Edited by: Toshiro GreyHawk on 05/01/2010 08:23:08 1 GSC takes up 3,000m3 worth of space but holds 3,900m3 worth of stuff - because it's a Planck Container ... whatever that is. An Orca has a 5% bonus for the level of Industrial Command ship applied to it's "cargo capacity" for Level IV: An Orca has a Cargo Hold, a Corporation Hangar, an Ore Hold, a Drone Bay and a Ships Maintenance Bay. 19 GSC's can be fit in the cargo hold (I'm assuming this gets the bonus) 13 GSC's can fit in the Corporation Hangar (I'm assuming this does not) The Ore Hold takes 50,000m3 but you can't put GSC's in there - only ore (I don't know if the bonus applies here or not). Likewise, while you have a bay that can take ships - the ships can't carry anything inside them but ammunition/charges/etc. Orbiting vs. Kiting Faction Schools
Mendolus Aurelius Federation Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2010.01.05 18:17:00 - [29] Originally by: Forranz Account sharing is against the EULA or TOS or something. As to your situation, he flipped your can, you took from can, he took from you. The chances of CCP banning someone's spouse for using their account are probably about as good as them banning someone for undocking a rookie ship. {...and they will respect a line drawn in the sand more than forgiveness}
Scout Ops	Posted - 2010.01.05 18:42:00 - [30] Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk Edited by: Toshiro GreyHawk on 05/01/2010 08:23:08 1 GSC takes up 3,000m3 worth of space but holds 3,900m3 worth of stuff - because it's a Planck Container ... whatever that is. An Orca has a 5% bonus for the level of Industrial Command ship applied to it's "cargo capacity" for Level IV: An Orca has a Cargo Hold, a Corporation Hangar, an Ore Hold, a Drone Bay and a Ships Maintenance Bay. 19 GSC's can be fit in the cargo hold (I'm assuming this gets the bonus) 13 GSC's can fit in the Corporation Hangar (I'm assuming this does not) The Ore Hold takes 50,000m3 but you can't put GSC's in there - only ore (I don't know if the bonus applies here or not). Likewise, while you have a bay that can take ships - the ships can't carry anything inside them but ammunition/charges/etc. lolcopter at those who use GSC to get more space... Dude, it must be the most annoying thing on New Eden, to drag all that ore thousands of times. Its not cost-effective you know, and it wastes too much time. about the main topic: you dropped a garbage container to space so its not yours anymore more helpfully: dont jetcan or follow Yoshiro's advices in his first post. The small frigates approaching your container are there for killing ur Osprey a final advice: dont even think a Cormorant with some guns has even a 0.0001% possibilities of winning a combat. Don't engage! For some reason, Cormorant pilots are the most common victims of canflippers... poor noob thinks his multi-turret awesome ship can win with a lolfit and lvl2 skills ROFLMAO



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