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Mars Theran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.23 13:23:00 -
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David Toviyah wrote:Malcanis wrote:You'll find this forum tends to be very helpful towards people who want to take responsibility for their own game, but very unsympathetic to quitters. Is that not exactly what I am doing? Were I a quitter I would not have started this thread and asked for advice.
Well, there is certainly the option of starting over and doing it without getting podkilled. I myself have made it through however long without being podkilled on this character so far. Not what I would consider a mark of accomplishment, but true anyway, and it's not like I've never left station either.
There are ways to avoid getting podkilled, and just knowing how to get your pod out isn't one of them. Even with proper avoidance, it's still a possibility. Regardless, despite the possibility I've been playing for ~ 5 years and I can count the number of times I've been podkilled on all characters at less than 20 I would think.
That includes the times I intentionally went out looking to get in a fight and most probably get ganked in the process, as well as all the time I spent in WH space, the Nullsec roams I`ve done, and much flying about in Lowsec and Empire before I got bored of trying.
So, sure it is possible, and relatively simple in approach. Just treat all space as if it were Nullsec, (within reason; obviously you don`t have to worry about certain things in Lowsec or Highsec), and fit your ships to evade pursuit, cloak, etc.. You want to avoid dying; either don't be there, or don't stick around to get killed, or don't get caught.
My advice.
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Easthir Ravin
Easy Co.
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.06.23 13:41:00 -
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David Toviyah wrote:Malcanis wrote:You'll find this forum tends to be very helpful towards people who want to take responsibility for their own game, but very unsympathetic to quitters. Is that not exactly what I am doing? Were I a quitter I would not have started this thread and asked for advice.
Greetings
First and for most, stop whining about choices you made i.e. "woe is me, I got podded and because of my regrettable decision to RP an anti-cloning capusleer I lost SP. Help me Obiwan Kanobi your my only hope to go on" is a bit on the weak side.
Had you come at us from the perspective of;
"Hey guys (not mentioning the fact that you don't upgrade your clone because we all think that un-wise) I just got podded in low-sec for the first time and it was AWSOME! I was wondering if you guys had any ideas as to how a now lower than before SP player can seek pay-back for their piracy." We would have offered up any of a thousand ways to do this. My favorite is the befriend and betray, takes a long time but is ultimately satisfying. Pirates have Egos stroke them in local about how awesome they are and that you have always wanted to be a pirate and could they help you with that, if they know any Corps recruiting for the PIE life. Then you get in, do some pew pew "in character" of course. Get some roles and steal their stuff.
Just a thought.
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Krayden Blacksun
Club Vandersexxx
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Posted - 2012.06.23 14:48:00 -
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Am I the only one who sees the irony in posters being reprimanded for trolling....in a thread started by a troll? |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2012.06.23 22:01:00 -
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Krayden Blacksun wrote:Am I the only one who sees the irony in posters being reprimanded for trolling....in a thread started by a troll?
Welcome to the glory of volunteer moderation.
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Reech Yvormes
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.24 05:50:00 -
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well i got ganked while mining in my vexor in a 0.5 sec. then podded, losing all my +4 implants that i had saved up for pretty much adding more days onto my training queues but that didnt matter because i promptly went to account management and cancelled my sub. i really cant be arsed now, no mining vessel so cant even grind to replace my implants. really cant be arsed to play this game anymore. cant even join a corp without thinking they are going to scam you kill you and leave you in the gutter. **** this.
if thats all people have to do for pvp, is go gank newbies in mining vessels and then pod them for kicks in high sec zones, then i dont want to spend the time or money trying to reach that point. nor do i want to invest anymore time, other than the month of my life that i wish i could get back, in this game that is surely just going to give me exactly the same feeling on a regular basis.
i guess, eve is pretty good attempt at a big mmo space game, its just laced with too much dirty scamming and griefing to really be what i wanted.
and that is a real shame.
enjoy my tears, one months worth... |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2012.06.24 06:40:00 -
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Reech Yvormes wrote:well i got ganked while mining in my vexor in a 0.5 sec. then podded, losing all my +4 implants that i had saved up for pretty much adding more days onto my training queues but that didnt matter because i promptly went to account management and cancelled my sub. i really cant be arsed now, no mining vessel so cant even grind to replace my implants. really cant be arsed to play this game anymore. cant even join a corp without thinking they are going to scam you kill you and leave you in the gutter. **** this.
if thats all people have to do for pvp, is go gank newbies in mining vessels and then pod them for kicks in high sec zones, then i dont want to spend the time or money trying to reach that point. nor do i want to invest anymore time, other than the month of my life that i wish i could get back, in this game that is surely just going to give me exactly the same feeling on a regular basis.
i guess, eve is pretty good attempt at a big mmo space game, its just laced with too much dirty scamming and griefing to really be what i wanted.
and that is a real shame.
enjoy my tears, one months worth...
Rule Number 1 of EvE. Do not FLY what you can't afford to lose.
Rule Number 2 of EvE. Do NOT fly what you can't afford to lose.
Even then, you can rebuild the same way you built up to the Vexor in the first place (better yet, you can train for a barge if you like mining). Start with a rookie ship, save up.
You have an unlimited number of chances to make your fortune in EvE. If you're giving up after your first setback, EvE's probably not right for you. Hint: EvE's not a nice place; make that work for you and you'll do well.
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Reech Yvormes
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.24 06:48:00 -
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yeah and if i cant use implants in high sec because ill get podded then really i cant be arsed with it. its too long to train basic **** as it is.
no thanks.
im cutting my losses at one month and getting out of here. enjoy your scambox game. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2012.06.24 06:58:00 -
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Reech Yvormes wrote:its not my first set back, ive been ganked jumping into 0.4 zone at the gate by people with well over a years worth of skills. any time i try and mine i get can flipped by people who expect me to fight them. maybe i should just beg and get hand outs from a player corp instead of trying to do it for myself...whats the point.
yeah and if i cant use implants in high sec because ill get podded then really i cant be arsed with it. its too long to train basic **** as it is.
no thanks.
im cutting my losses at one month and getting out of here. enjoy your scambox game.
im so glad i didnt buy any plex and sell it for isk. man i was so close to it. i decided not to because i thought i would sort out my own income, buy my own implants get myself sorted before getting any hand outs or making it easy for myself.
and that really has saved me some money in the end.
There are tons of guides on how to do the things you were trying to do safely. They're easy to find.
Can I have your stuff?
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Arcturus Archangel
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Posted - 2012.06.24 07:47:00 -
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While the idea of RP is truly noble and interesting. I just don't see it happening in this game very effectively. You are going about it the hard way, find a serious RP corp. It might make things easier and more fun to play. You just might have to change a few things up. But if you are going to be extremely picky, you wont last log in this game I'll tell you that.
PS
I'm podding you every chance I get when I see you till you join a RP corp.
I will rule this sector or see it burnt to ashes around me... |
Reech Yvormes
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.24 09:00:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:
There are tons of guides on how to do the things you were trying to do safely. They're easy to find.
Can I have your stuff?
you can have my stuff its on a wreck in a 0.5 asteroid belt. or probably the market by now.
or just go griefing newbies like the others and loot theirs.
you could read a guide on how to grief, for stuff. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2012.06.24 09:15:00 -
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Reech Yvormes wrote:RubyPorto wrote:
There are tons of guides on how to do the things you were trying to do safely. They're easy to find.
Can I have your stuff?
you can have my stuff its on a wreck in a 0.5 asteroid belt. or probably the market by now. or just go griefing newbies like the others and loot theirs. you could read a guide on how to grief, for stuff.
Did someone can flip you in a newbie system, bait you in a newbie system, or bump your freighter for hours? No? Then you didn't get griefed.
If you want to have some protections from other players, hang out in the newbie systems, or, to paraphrase CCP Wrangler, Hello Kitty Online is Thataway
CCP Wrangler wrote:EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for.
For the record, in my first reply to this guy, I tried to help the new guy. Then he got mad(der).
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Reech Yvormes
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.24 09:26:00 -
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yeah i have been can flipped and lost an iteron to a gang of two people when i tried to take my cargo back and run with it. this whole game is laced with it. in a 0.9 sec zone too.
i had a frigate that spent ages just flying into me really fast making my mining lasers quit, i thought it was just fun at first until i realised he was actually doing it because he knew it was griefing my mining lasers.
this happens atleast once a day, the very reason i went to a 0.5 was to anchor some boxes so i could stop the can flipping. are you crazy that you dont know this. i didnt get any warning when i jumped into a 0.5 saying that i should be careful of -10 security players ganking and podding the **** out of me like i did when i went into a 0.4, i accepted that i took a risk then when i was ganked as soon as i jumped through to a 0.4.
i do not wish to be ganking month old players after a year of playing. what a sorry excuse for pvp it is. scambox mmogrief |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2012.06.24 09:47:00 -
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Reech Yvormes wrote:yeah i have been can flipped and lost an iteron to a gang of two people when i tried to take my cargo back and run with it. this whole game is laced with it. in a 0.9 sec zone too. ive literally had peoples myrmidons turn up and go red infront of my navitas that has 2 mining lasers. seriously. theres obviously something broken at the core of pvp if thats what people are doing to try and get a kill.
i had a frigate that spent ages just flying into me really fast making my mining lasers quit, i thought it was just fun at first until i realised he was actually doing it because he knew it was griefing my mining lasers.
this happens atleast once a day, the very reason i went to a 0.5 was to anchor some boxes so i could stop the can flipping. are you crazy that you dont know this. i didnt get any warning when i jumped into a 0.5 saying that i should be careful of -10 security players ganking and podding the **** out of me like i did when i went into a 0.4, i accepted that i took a risk then when i was ganked as soon as i jumped through to a 0.4.
i do not wish to be ganking month old players after a year of playing. what a sorry excuse for pvp it is. scambox mmogrief
1) You stole from someone. You know the whole "Two wrongs don't make a right" thing your mother taught you? EvE's got that.
Going Red doesn't mean they can shoot you. It means you can shoot them.
2) Move out of high traffic areas. Hit approach to the roid. Etc.
3) Move out of high traffic systems. When I mined in HS, I think I may have been canflipped once in months of mining.
Jumping into a .4 gave you a big popup that said "This is dangerous"
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Reech Yvormes
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.24 10:00:00 -
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1a) no **** sherlock.
1b) yeah i didnt attack the myrmidon with a navitas with 2 mining lasers, for obvious reasons like, i had no guns. and i was in a navitas and there was a red myrmidon infront of me and all my ore in a yellow can? k?
2) yeah, he got bored and left after his little slice of newbie grief pie.
3) i have now been mining in several systems. they all have had their share of grief.
have fun in your World of **** People mmogriefer game. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2012.06.24 10:03:00 -
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Reech Yvormes wrote:1a) no **** sherlock.
1b) yeah i didnt attack the myrmidon with a navitas with 2 mining lasers, for obvious reasons like, i had no guns. and i was in a navitas and there was a red myrmidon infront of me and all my ore in a yellow can? k?
2) yeah, he got bored and left after his little slice of newbie grief pie.
3) i have now been mining in several systems. they all have had their share of grief.
have fun in your World of **** People mmogriefer game.
btw, now i know why eve only ever has 30k online
1b) Going red doesn't hurt you at all. Seriously, they can't shoot you or CONCORD will blow them up.
3) Look for less trafficked systems. Try Dotlan
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Reech Yvormes
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.24 10:08:00 -
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I know him going red doesnt hurt me but he basically stole all my ore and ******* sat there infront of me expecting me to do something when i have a mining navitas and hes there in a myrmidon.
do try to keep up
this isnt even the point, the whole point is this game is full of scumbags and the sooner you all stay here and i go find another game. the better.
good bye. |
Calliste Orange
House Orange
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Posted - 2012.06.24 10:10:00 -
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Reech Yvormes wrote:
have fun in your World of **** People mmogriefer game.
People such as RubyPorto are trying to be helpful. Please try to calm down a little.
You know, you could always seek out a Factional Warfare (no mention of Loyalty Points will appear in this comment) Corp or Alliance who could always do with some extra veldspar to hand for their punishers/rifters. If you're a roleplayer, you might even find some Factional Warfare Corps or Alliances who are also roleplayers (admittedly they're a tiny minority) -in both cases, you'll likely be given some degree protection or at least some workable advice as how to mimimise your losses of which there will still be many at first, but less so in time.
In this way, not only will you have to keep an eye out for villains and scalliwags intent on ruining your eve-hours, but you'll, in addition, have to watch out for War Targets who will likely want to do the same.
Let me tell you, that this, the worst of all worlds teaches you at short notice how to adapt from the get-go. It won't be pleasant at first, but as you build up skills, assets and -most vitally- many tips and tricks, you may finally enjoy outsmarting your opposition when you are able and fill the holds with your ore simultaneously.
FW Corps advertise in these fora somewhere. Take a look, contact one that interests you and start talking to them. Try it, you just might like it.
Regards, |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2012.06.24 10:13:00 -
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Reech Yvormes wrote:I know him going red doesnt hurt me but he basically stole all my ore and ******* sat there infront of me expecting me to do something when i have a mining navitas and hes there in a myrmidon.
do try to keep up
Well, why didn't you? He stole from you. EvE gave you the option to retaliate. If you don't like your odds (as you didn't) you don't have to. You can also move to a less trafficked system to reduce the likelihood of getting your trash stolen (by the way, you can avoid canflipping by not jetcan mining).
Which brings us back to:
CCP Wrangler wrote:EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for.
Looks like you're feeling a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, which means EvE's working juuuuust fine.
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Reech Yvormes
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.24 10:20:00 -
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except im not logging back in.
and my sub is cancelled. and my petition is in, where i will give feedback before i go.
if thats how eve works then, yeah 30k players when half of them are running 2 3 or 4 accounts at once is a bit....... meh. good luck to you all and ccp.
i do appreciate your advice though. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2012.06.24 10:26:00 -
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Reech Yvormes wrote:except im not logging back in.
and my sub is cancelled. and my petition is in, where i will give feedback before i go.
if thats how eve works then, yeah 30k players when half of them are running 2 3 or 4 accounts at once is a bit....... meh. good luck to you all and ccp.
i do appreciate your advice though.
EvE is the 3rd Largest Paid Western MMO at 400k active subs.
SWOTOR and WoW are the only Paid MMOs ahead of it, and Runescape and Second Life are the only 2 FTP MMOs ahead of it.
I think that, for a company's first product, 9 years of year after year rising subs(the only MMO to have this) leading to being the 3rd in its class is a fair performance, wouldn't you?
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Reech Yvormes
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.24 10:28:00 -
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theres other games that run more that are not wearing an "mmo badge". nor are they games that have multiple accounts and free trials filling the ranks. so this isnt exactly massive to me. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2012.06.24 10:31:00 -
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Reech Yvormes wrote:theres other games that run more that are not wearing an "mmo badge". so this isnt exactly massive to me.
So, apples and oranges are different and compete with different market segments. Scathing rebuke of EvE's mechanics, there, short stuff.
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Reech Yvormes
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.24 10:34:00 -
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it doesnt really bother me, i just understand why its still populated like that after 9 years. i guess player retention is a problem. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2012.06.24 10:37:00 -
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Reech Yvormes wrote:it doesnt really bother me, i just understand why its still populated like that after 9 years. i guess player retention is a problem.
The constantly increasing number of active subs says that player retention is just fine.
Which games with more subscriptions were you talking about earlier?
(Seriously, at some point you gotta stop digging)
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Reech Yvormes
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.24 10:44:00 -
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ive played enough games to know.
almost all of them i enjoyed thoroughly for longer than a month. and no im not some wow boy. ive played games way longer than wow has been around is that enough.
most of what ive said is just my speculation of course. its just that feeling ive got. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2012.06.24 10:47:00 -
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Reech Yvormes wrote:ive played enough games to know.
almost all of them i enjoyed thoroughly for longer than a month. and no im not some wow boy. ive played games way longer than wow has been around is that enough.
most of what ive said is just my speculation of course. its just that feeling ive got.
Which multiplayer games have been around longer than EvE? (Started May 2003)
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Reech Yvormes
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.24 10:49:00 -
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is this a quiz, you can google it right?
i was paying by the minute on dial up years before eve was out man |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2012.06.24 10:51:00 -
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Reech Yvormes wrote:is this a quiz, you can google it right?
You make the claim, you get to provide the evidence.
Here's the MMO Charts:
http://users.telenet.be/mmodata/Charts/Subs-1.png
http://users.telenet.be/mmodata/Charts/Subs-2.png
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Reech Yvormes
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.24 10:52:00 -
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are you talking about games that are still around now or what?
everquest was out before eve if am not mistaken |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2012.06.24 10:56:00 -
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Reech Yvormes wrote:are you talking about games that are still around now or what?
everquest was out before eve if am not mistaken
Ok. It's been around longer. It peaked at 550k in 2004 and has around 100k now (and has recently added an FTP and reduced cost model). Not doing too hot...
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