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SKYIINET Caliborus
The Gamblinig Gunnery
16
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:27:00 -
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This post is pretty long, if you don't feel like reading the story-ish part, skip to the *-----*
This week, My corporation has had much difficulty with one player. I won't name them for now, but this is what happened:
Basically, I was set to recruit for my corporation, and my first or second recruit played like he was enjoying the game. Then a few days pass by and he suddenly blocks everyone in the corporation except his real life friend, and quits the corporation.
A few days later, I see a person in the local chats while I'm looking for plausible recruits and notice someone was about that had switched corporations over 10 times in one month. So I told my corporation owner watch out for this guy.
Well, it just so happens, the next morning, that this guy applies to my corporation. Then seconds later, I see the player appear in the corporation chat.I immediately tell my corporation leader to take him out on the spot, but it was too late, my leader didn't have the ability to kick him because the player wasn't docked.
(apparently my corporation leader miss-clicked or something, because he never accepts applications anymore)
Around this time, some of my corporation members were returning from an operation, and get blown up by that rogue player.
Now, during this time, that player admits he was the previous player that blocked me and my whole corp and left.
After proceeding to Dock-trap my whole corporation (which consists of mostly new people, which will be explained later) he goes on to explaining that he was doing it because my corporation was a care-bear corp and that he's trying to scare my members and give them an idea of how the game really is, (which they had a good damn idea of how the game really was).
This really annoyed me thousands of times over.
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Yes, the corporation I'm in has many new players, it's not bad they're new, anyone who has a problem with that should remember the first days they started playing (you had a childhood once, if you are too good to think about the statement I said, refer to that)
I recruited all 33 Players from June 11th to June 20th (you can check the corporation member count, and I can screen shot the joined dates for you if you don't believe me, and send me a pm if you seriously don't believe me.)
Now, the reason the player was saying My corporation was a care-bear corporation was because we aren't exactly a CORPORATION like you might find some other corporations in the game resembling those of real life. And those corporations take things WAY too seriously for new players to handle.
I am trying to get a group together that can make isk, and "work" although they are really playing, along with other fellow players. The pay is fair, but there's no bribe to get them into the corp, or over payment.
If you've played other games, you'll find that their game mechanic is called a clan or guild or some legion-like system. You don't join those to be forced to repeatedly do an action, you join them to have fun, and that's something I'm not seeing many players, old and new, having.
I'm trying to emulate that environment into my corporation, because I think it's not very cool to cause that much stress and obsessiveness over a GAME.
I'm not really seeing much of the universal player game etiquette in this game, and it's kind of sad.
If you don't know what a universal player game etiquette is, it's where old players help out the new players, or players interact with each other in a decent way. You can still pvp, because it's part of the game, just don't be a jerk or destroy them repeatedly without a good cause.
Thanks for reading!
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
273
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:31:00 -
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This is called grieffing and you should petition Gm's about it.
If everything has really happened like you said, chances this guy know what a GM advertisement/ban means are high. Petition and if you don't get a satisfying answer escalate. brb |
Ishen Villone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:32:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:This is called grieffing and you should petition Gm's about it.
If everything has really happened like you said, chances this guy know what a GM advertisement/ban means are high. Petition and if you don't get a satisfying answer escalate.
You have a fundamental misunderstanding of CCP's philosophy on player interactions.
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Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
838
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:35:00 -
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This does seem to be a case of griefing/harassment. Not my call. But it seems to be.
I would petition, and make sure to give CCP as much detail as possible.
Will make further comments as I think of things... |
SKYIINET Caliborus
The Gamblinig Gunnery
17
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:36:00 -
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Please point out the fundamental misunderstanding. |
Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
78
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:40:00 -
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You had 33 noobs and couldn't take down one guy? I'd say the fault is yours OP for not thinking of a way to do that.
Also, not griefing, not bullying, not harrasment. This is the risk anyone takes when forming a corp. |
Aaewen Hrothgarson
Inhunnr Shuggnr Enterprises
4
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:40:00 -
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Also, your CEO should reimburse the victims and reenable the "are you sure" pop ups ... |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
838
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:43:00 -
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Danks wrote:... Also, not griefing, not bullying, not harrasment. This is the risk anyone takes when forming a corp. It quite could be. The whole "make them scared" bit would indicate an out of game motivation for out of game effect. Which could take it into the realm of griefing/harrasment. not our call to make though, its up to CCP.
But really, just blast the guy and if you need help, some of us would be willing to do this for free. |
Andoria Thara
Fallen Avatars
45
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:43:00 -
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If the guy was killing everyone for no personal gain or profit, but rather to just "show them noobs", then yeah it can be considered griefing. |
SKYIINET Caliborus
The Gamblinig Gunnery
17
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:45:00 -
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The people I had to take care of this weren't logged in at the time, and the players that got killed were new new new, I'm talking less than 4 days. And most of them didn't want to pvp, and I don't blame them. |
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
273
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:45:00 -
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Ishen Villone wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:This is called grieffing and you should petition Gm's about it.
If everything has really happened like you said, chances this guy know what a GM advertisement/ban means are high. Petition and if you don't get a satisfying answer escalate. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of CCP's philosophy on player interactions.
You have a very high option of yourself understanding of what is or not grieffing. What about let CCP and this person set what is about in this particular case?
My opinion is not better than yours but at least I'll try to give Op an option to set things straight about his concerns witch is obviously not your case.
So unless your GM yourself, witch I doubt, you should try to answer Op concerns the best you can (witch I doubt too)
brb |
Campl3r Athonille
Bluestar Enterprises The Craftsmen
5
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:45:00 -
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sounds like you did **** and want ccp to fix it? |
Aulx-Gao Ekanon
333
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:46:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:But really, just blast the guy and if you need help, some of us would be willing to do this for free. This. Naughty by nature, wicked by choice.-á |
SKYIINET Caliborus
The Gamblinig Gunnery
17
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:47:00 -
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No, there is no need for CCP It's about how other players look at carebear corps, the story-ish thing was to put in the reason this all came up and I decided to post about it. -_________- |
Aliaksandre
Black Rebel Rifter Club
45
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:47:00 -
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Working as intended |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
838
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:50:00 -
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Ohhhhhh.
Well, not gonna change peoples minds on things. Like trying to argue evolution to a devout Catholic. Or the potential existence of a supreme being to a person who only follows their view of logic. Its just not going to work.
I don't like the views of neonazis, doesn't make a lick of difference. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3588
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:51:00 -
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the reason he is killing you and you deserve to die is that you thought that was griefing
you've earned it, best of luck |
Ivan Ward
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
73
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Posted - 2012.06.21 16:03:00 -
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Griefers like this disturbs the force within this game and should be delt with swiftly. That behavior is truly disgusting and and the grimness of his actions can not be put down into words.
Get rid of that CEO of yours or simply reform. "Hot pilots we have problems too, we're just like you." |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
364
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Posted - 2012.06.21 16:06:00 -
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Danks wrote:You had 33 noobs and couldn't take down one guy? I'd say the fault is yours OP for not thinking of a way to do that. Not empty quoting. Nothing Found |
Cebraio
Starfire Oasis
88
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Posted - 2012.06.21 16:09:00 -
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Possible solutions:
1. It could be considered griefing, because he knew that you are all newbies and just joined for the single purpose of killing and annoying you guys. So hopefully a GM will fix this for you.
2. Simply kick him after down time or whenever he is offline. If I'm not mistaken, that works.
3. Team up! You have 30 people. Even if he is more experienced, you can bring him down. Just swarm him all at once with cheap frigates.
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Haulie Berry
223
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Posted - 2012.06.21 16:12:00 -
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Someone did something in the game that I didn't like.
Must post about this on the forums at once. |
Marconus Orion
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
104
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Posted - 2012.06.21 16:12:00 -
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Is there a TL;DR for this TL;DR? |
Drunk Driver
Aliastra Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.06.21 16:14:00 -
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Boom!
POW!!!!
Sparks, flames and lots of screaming.
Yehaaaaa!!!!!
Welcome to EVE online!
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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
364
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Posted - 2012.06.21 16:15:00 -
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Marconus Orion wrote:Is there a TL;DR for this TL;DR? OP's CEO is an idiot. Also, their corp is afraid to take 30 noobs against one awoxer. Nothing Found |
Cebraio
Starfire Oasis
88
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Posted - 2012.06.21 16:16:00 -
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Marconus Orion wrote:Is there a TL;DR for this TL;DR? tl:dr: His corp got a guy accepted who likes to blow up noobs and they can't beat nor kick him - or didn't try hard enough yet. |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
71
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Posted - 2012.06.21 16:17:00 -
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Basically you aren't very good at recruiting or running a corp and got some noobs killed and now you are wanting to blame the playerbase? |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
298
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Posted - 2012.06.21 16:19:00 -
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SKYIINET Caliborus wrote:The people I had to take care of this weren't logged in at the time, and the players that got killed were new new new, I'm talking less than 4 days. And most of them didn't want to pvp, and I don't blame them.
If it's 4 days, petition it, the griefer will be banned. Just ignore the goon/troll/misc forum tard who say otherwise. CCP is on an active campaign to ban anyone "messing with" (actual term used, inclusive regardless of how narrow someone's definition of griefing is) rookies in 14 day trial period. Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454 |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
273
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Posted - 2012.06.21 16:24:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Marconus Orion wrote:Is there a TL;DR for this TL;DR? OP's CEO is an idiot. Also, their corp is afraid to take 30 noobs against one awoxer.
Didn't new that awox behaviour was encouraged by CCP.
Also reading comprehension helps, a lot of those players that guy kept killing again and again are 4 day old characters witch is obviously also encouraged by CCP.
Ho wait... brb |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
364
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Posted - 2012.06.21 16:28:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Didn't new that awox behaviour was encouraged by CCP. I don't recall it being specifically discouraged either.
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Also reading comprehension helps, a lot of those players that guy kept killing again and again are 4 day old characters witch is obviously also encouraged by CCP. I'm not arguing that the guy isn't pretty sad for preying on noobs nor that he shouldn't be petitioned for it, but ferchrissakes you've got 30 noobs and you can't take out one awoxer? Welcome to EVE, I guess, you're just setting yourself up for failure later on. Nothing Found |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1444
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Posted - 2012.06.21 16:29:00 -
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Can I join this corp? My reaper hungers for justice.... |
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SKYIINET Caliborus
The Gamblinig Gunnery
17
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Posted - 2012.06.21 16:30:00 -
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Yea, all 38 players weren't logged in at once, it was more like 8, and those players didn't have access to the ships being sold in the station. It was near impossible, but one of my corp member's friends was on his way with a Sleipnir to take him out.
I didn't post this just to get attention, I posted this to ask why do people start the CARE-BEAR I HATE YOU stance.
You don't get it obviously. The guy was outside, and you can't kick a person outside. If something could have been done it would have.
Also, did you read where I said the leader miss clicked the accept button for the person I said DO NOT ACCEPT?
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Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
71
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Posted - 2012.06.21 16:31:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Karl Hobb wrote:Marconus Orion wrote:Is there a TL;DR for this TL;DR? OP's CEO is an idiot. Also, their corp is afraid to take 30 noobs against one awoxer. Didn't new that awox behaviour was encouraged by CCP. Also reading comprehension helps, a lot of those players that guy kept killing again and again are 4 day old characters witch is obviously also encouraged by CCP. Ho wait...
Kept killing again and again? Did you actually bother to check the incident out? The guy killed 4 frigs and a destroyer over the course of an hour, with a destroyer of his own. The horror. There was one repeat kill but the guy obviously died once then went back with friends 10 mins later and they all died.
Also ccp has always encouraged awox behaviour, they made a promo vid about it ffs.
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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
364
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Posted - 2012.06.21 16:34:00 -
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SKYIINET Caliborus wrote:Yea, all 38 players weren't logged in at once, it was more like 8, and those players didn't have access to the ships being sold in the station. It was near impossible, but one of my corp member's friends was on his way with a Sleipnir to take him out. wat Nothing Found |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
273
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Posted - 2012.06.21 16:35:00 -
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Doddy wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Karl Hobb wrote:Marconus Orion wrote:Is there a TL;DR for this TL;DR? OP's CEO is an idiot. Also, their corp is afraid to take 30 noobs against one awoxer. Didn't new that awox behaviour was encouraged by CCP. Also reading comprehension helps, a lot of those players that guy kept killing again and again are 4 day old characters witch is obviously also encouraged by CCP. Ho wait... Kept killing again and again? Did you actually bother to check the incident out? The guy killed 4 frigs and a destroyer over the course of an hour, with a destroyer of his own. The horror. There was one repeat kill but the guy obviously died once then went back with friends 10 mins later and they all died. Also ccp has always encouraged awox behaviour, they made a promo vid about it ffs.
It's your right to love this behaviour and it's mine to say that this guy is breaking the rule "don't mess with rookies" + abusing system to not be kicked from the corp witch is an obvious behaviour CCP doesn't like.
However, despite your opinion or mine this CEO should petition GM's ASAP and imho, this guy is about to get in trouble, but you have the right to think I'm wrong.
brb |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
71
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Posted - 2012.06.21 16:39:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Doddy wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Karl Hobb wrote:Marconus Orion wrote:Is there a TL;DR for this TL;DR? OP's CEO is an idiot. Also, their corp is afraid to take 30 noobs against one awoxer. Didn't new that awox behaviour was encouraged by CCP. Also reading comprehension helps, a lot of those players that guy kept killing again and again are 4 day old characters witch is obviously also encouraged by CCP. Ho wait... Kept killing again and again? Did you actually bother to check the incident out? The guy killed 4 frigs and a destroyer over the course of an hour, with a destroyer of his own. The horror. There was one repeat kill but the guy obviously died once then went back with friends 10 mins later and they all died. Also ccp has always encouraged awox behaviour, they made a promo vid about it ffs. It's your right to love this behaviour and it's mine to say that this guy is breaking the rule "don't mess with rookies" + abusing system to not be kicked from the corp witch is an obvious behaviour CCP doesn't like. However, despite your opinion or mine this CEO should petition GM's ASAP and imho, this guy is about to get in trouble, but you have the right to think I'm wrong.
Oh i think the guy should get a slap on the wrist for sure. I am all for killing carebears but actual noobs are a no go in my book. I just think your dramatisation of this incident is almost ridiculous as the op using it to attack "anti-carebears", which has nothing to do with killing noobs. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8119
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Posted - 2012.06.21 16:41:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:It's your right to love this behaviour and it's mine to say that this guy is breaking the rule "don't mess with rookies" + abusing system to not be kicked from the corp witch is an obvious behaviour CCP doesn't like. They were pretty much excluded from the GÇ£don't mess with rookiesGÇ¥ rule the second they joined a PC corp.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
809
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Posted - 2012.06.21 16:42:00 -
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SKYIINET Caliborus wrote:Yea, all 38 players weren't logged in at once, it was more like 8, and those players didn't have access to the ships being sold in the station. It was near impossible, but one of my corp member's friends was on his way with a Sleipnir to take him out.
I didn't post this just to get attention, I posted this to ask why do people start the CARE-BEAR I HATE YOU stance.
You don't get it obviously. The guy was outside, and you can't kick a person outside. If something could have been done it would have.
Also, did you read where I said the leader miss clicked the accept button for the person I said DO NOT ACCEPT?
People who get mad because of situations like this instead of organizing to kill the awoxer are the reason for the carebear hate.
In other words, YOU are the reason everyone hates you.
Btw, did it occur to you to organize and get all 30 of your peeps on at once? Send out a mail saying 'Everyone log on and have your noobship ready to kill this SOB'
You want anything other than disrespect in EVE, you earn it. Its not going to be given, and if you are not respected, you are a target. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
276
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Posted - 2012.06.21 16:46:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:It's your right to love this behaviour and it's mine to say that this guy is breaking the rule "don't mess with rookies" + abusing system to not be kicked from the corp witch is an obvious behaviour CCP doesn't like. They were pretty much excluded from the GÇ£don't mess with rookiesGÇ¥ rule the second they joined a PC corp.
I actually can not agree or disagree with you since CCP didn't made this also obvious. This is why petition to GM's is far much better than semi viril forum comments on internet honour and villainy.
I'm quite sure you can agree with me that petition about this is the best way to go, but we don't have to agree on what I think it's fair or not. brb |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
298
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Posted - 2012.06.21 16:47:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:It's your right to love this behaviour and it's mine to say that this guy is breaking the rule "don't mess with rookies" + abusing system to not be kicked from the corp witch is an obvious behaviour CCP doesn't like. They were pretty much excluded from the GÇ£don't mess with rookiesGÇ¥ rule the second they joined a PC corp.
This assumption sounds like it was pulled fresh out of a goon's rear end.
See? This is why CCP has been coming down progressively harder on rookie-hunters. They don't want you to "mess with" rookies, period. The term was coined after some idiot attempted to lecture devs on what "griefing" includes. Any new excuses you come up with is just more hassle for CCP to negate. Rinse and repeat. Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454 |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
276
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Posted - 2012.06.21 16:52:00 -
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sabre906 wrote:Tippia wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:It's your right to love this behaviour and it's mine to say that this guy is breaking the rule "don't mess with rookies" + abusing system to not be kicked from the corp witch is an obvious behaviour CCP doesn't like. They were pretty much excluded from the GÇ£don't mess with rookiesGÇ¥ rule the second they joined a PC corp. This assumption sounds like it was pulled fresh out of a goon's rear end. See? This is why CCP has been coming down progressively harder on rookie-hunters. They don't want you to "mess with" rookies, period. The term was coined after some idiot attempted to lecture devs on what "griefing" includes. Any new excuses you come up with is just more hassle for CCP to negate. Rinse and repeat.
This is also called "shoot your own foot" leading to pathetic threads and oceans of tears like you can read about "rules" in this very same forum. brb |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8119
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Posted - 2012.06.21 16:54:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:I'm quite sure you can agree with me that petition about this is the best way to go, but we don't have to agree on what I think it's fair or not. Sure, but the better solution would be for them to stop waffling on the whole join/quit corp mechanics and implement a proper solution (much in the same way as their waffling on the rookie protection rules should be solved through proper mechanics andGǪ you knowGǪ having an actually clear rookie rule).
With a bit of luck, should they ever manage to make limited engagements work as part of Crimewatch 2.0, they can just make the whole problem go away: anyone can be kicked at any point, and any outstanding engagement remain active until the normal timers run out. That way, the accidental-CONCORDoken that caused them to fiddle with quitting in space will be gone, and they can restore that functionality.
I'm just saying that the rookie protection rule cannot be said to apply to PC corp members and still remain even remotely sane. There are risks with running and being in a corp GÇö joining a corp means accepting those risks and stepping up to the personal responsibilities it brings. In fact, I'd rather say that in such a case, the real griefing is on the part of the recruiter, who exposes rookies to a completely new rule set without explaining to them what they're getting themselves into. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
390
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:02:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Didn't new that awox behaviour was encouraged by CCP. I don't recall it being specifically discouraged either. Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Also reading comprehension helps, a lot of those players that guy kept killing again and again are 4 day old characters witch is obviously also encouraged by CCP. I'm not arguing that the guy isn't pretty sad for preying on noobs nor that he shouldn't be petitioned for it, but ferchrissakes you've got 30 noobs and you can't take out one awoxer? Welcome to EVE, I guess, you're just setting yourself up for failure later on.
I don't know when I first started the corp I joined was filled with all new players. We had a great time figuring out the game together.
Within a couple months we were in null. Granted that was a long time ago when you were lucky to have a single station per region let alone the numbers that are out there now.
OP
Stick with it, I am glad you petitioned him he deserves the ban. On the other side it looks like you got lucky, cause the damage he did was small and fast and over. Hopefully you review your recruiting procedures to reduce incidents like this in the future. All I can say is no security policy is full proof so best of luck.
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Lucy Ferrr
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
71
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:06:00 -
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Your anger is misplaced, instead of being angry at the ganker you need to be angry at your CEO and yourself. You are mad at a ganker for ganking? That's what they do. Do you get mad at water for being wet or a dog for licking his balls? You need to be mad at your CEO, you saw the guy before he joined, saw something was fishy, alerted your CEO and he ignored your concerns and 'accidently' accepted the guy. Then you need to be angry at yourself, because you knew something was wrong, you saw the guy got accepted into the corp, and you did nothing to assure the safety of you and your corp mates. In Eve when something is awry and you go about business as usual you die, that is exactly what you did business as usual, dead. If it were me and I saw a greifer accidently got in my corp, I would immediately send a convo out to all legit members and tell them to dock until it's situated, or to get in PvP boats and get ready for battle (option 2 is a hell of a lot more fun). When there is a threat you can't beat you seek safety, that's common sense it shouldn't take living in nul/low to figure that out.
To be honest you sound like a small child that just lost a video game, instead of being a good sport and admitting you loss you cry and scream that your controller is broken. What you need to be doing right now is thinking "What did we do wrong and what can we do in the future to prevent something like this?", but instead you waste your time trying to think of different ways your opponent cheated to include in your petition to CCP. Some douche infiltrating your corp is not a petition-able or banable offense, that is Eve. There is a reason there is a 3-10 day waiting period to get into ANY serious corp in Eve. Background checks are mandatory, and it's pretty apparent you guys are not doing your due diligence (you bragged yourself how many members in a little time you guys got, I am skeptical they were properly checked). If anyone should be petitioned against and banned it should be the leadership of your corp for misleading new people so badly and creating an environment where it is so easy to get ganked and/or robbed by assumed friendlies.
If you don't know how to recruit for a corp, temporally stop recruiting and educate yourself. There are a lot of tools out there for recruiters, get some tips from someone who has done it. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8119
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:11:00 -
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sabre906 wrote:This assumption sounds like it was pulled fresh out of a goon's rear end. No, it's a pretty hard assurance pulled out of reasoning.
If people are still considered rookies and protected by the rookie rules while in PC corps, they're going to have to remove PC corps from the game GÇö it's pretty much the only way to close the massive loophole they just created.
Quote:See? This is why CCP has been coming down progressively harder on rookie-hunters. No, this is why people have been coming down progressively harder on CCP to actually state the rules that apply to the game: because they keep giving loose and useless answers that only open up for larger and large abuse of the rules. Their idea that with fuzzier rules, the abuses will be fewer is the result of a fevered and unimaginative mind GÇö one that has no clue about what players will do with such rules. The result will be far worse than some new players accidentally getting blow up (which isn't much of a loss). Fuzzy rules only ever lead to one thing: more abuse, more work for GM's, and much much weaker arguments for the GM's.
Quote:Any new excuses you come up with is just more hassle for CCP to negate. Rinse and repeat. It's not an excuse. It's a statement of fact: if you're in a PC corp, you are open to all forms of PvP GÇö it comes inherent with being in a PC corp. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
276
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:12:00 -
[45] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:I'm quite sure you can agree with me that petition about this is the best way to go, but we don't have to agree on what I think it's fair or not. Sure, but the better solution would be for them to stop waffling on the whole join/quit corp mechanics and implement a proper solution (much in the same way as their waffling on the rookie protection rules should be solved through proper mechanics andGǪ you knowGǪ having an actually clear rookie rule). With a bit of luck, should they ever manage to make limited engagements work as part of Crimewatch 2.0, they can just make the whole problem go away: anyone can be kicked at any point, and any outstanding engagement remain active until the normal timers run out. That way, the accidental-CONCORDoken that caused them to fiddle with quitting in space will be gone, and they can restore that functionality. I'm just saying that the rookie protection rule cannot be said to apply to PC corp members and still remain even remotely sane. There are risks with running and being in a corp GÇö joining a corp means accepting those risks and stepping up to the personal responsibilities it brings. In fact, I'd rather say that in such a case, the real griefing is on the part of the recruiter, who exposes rookies to a completely new rule set without explaining to them what they're getting themselves into.
Yes the lack of explicit rules restricts players iterations however whenever there's some rule there's always dudes to exploit each and every forgotten or non explicit word.
Why? -well this is a whole new debate, if playing some game for "x" person means search rule failures to exploit and claim "hahaha dev's I'm better than you" then I have some hard time either explaining or understand those guys motivations. You know, looks a little bit like guys using hacks (they usually pay) for internet greatness on free to pay FPS games.
I agree with GM's when it comes to decide if yes or not at some point there must be a ban, systems and rules are mechanic and can not adapt to all situations people might come up with and the only way to make it fair for every one is still common sense and someone putting limits.
This is the kind of thing that shouldn't even be discussed or reason for so many forum words, if those self proclaimed elite pvp fans were that much pvp fans they wouldn't even have justify their actions with newbs "education" theorems completely absurd.
I have one moto in what concerns newbs and pvp: if you show your face in low you're good to taste the fire, if you show your face in null you're good to get a fast pod home ticket. In high sec? -well, everything that isn't flying a T2 frig/cruiser or battle cruiser/battleship is a noob even then I can always look "info" to figure out what's up. Not claiming it's the best way to do but is I start shooting everything because I can then I have to accept consequences and stfu instead of crying on forums. brb |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
299
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:18:00 -
[46] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:I'm quite sure you can agree with me that petition about this is the best way to go, but we don't have to agree on what I think it's fair or not. Sure, but the better solution would be for them to stop waffling on the whole join/quit corp mechanics and implement a proper solution (much in the same way as their waffling on the rookie protection rules should be solved through proper mechanics andGǪ you knowGǪ having an actually clear rookie rule). With a bit of luck, should they ever manage to make limited engagements work as part of Crimewatch 2.0, they can just make the whole problem go away: anyone can be kicked at any point, and any outstanding engagement remain active until the normal timers run out. That way, the accidental-CONCORDoken that caused them to fiddle with quitting in space will be gone, and they can restore that functionality. I'm just saying that the rookie protection rule cannot be said to apply to PC corp members and still remain even remotely sane. There are risks with running and being in a corp GÇö joining a corp means accepting those risks and stepping up to the personal responsibilities it brings. In fact, I'd rather say that in such a case, the real griefing is on the part of the recruiter, who exposes rookies to a completely new rule set without explaining to them what they're getting themselves into.
Don't kid yourself. The people asking for "clear rookie rule" are those noob-hunters who will then find loopholes and point to the rules and say "see? this wasn't mentioned, so it has to be allowed."
If "clear" rules were ever established, it will be an all-encompassing one that you won't like. This idiocy will turn highsec into pvp free zone one of these days.
Same rules as raising teenagers: -If you think you've found a loophole, you haven't. -If you think you're clever, you're not. -If have to ask if it breaks rules, it does. -If you like it, it's not allowed. Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454 |
Blastcaps Madullier
Celestial Horizon Corp.
32
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:20:00 -
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Cebraio wrote:Marconus Orion wrote:Is there a TL;DR for this TL;DR? tl:dr: His corp got a guy accepted who likes to blow up noobs and they can't beat nor kick him - or didn't try hard enough yet.
or simply due to them being 4 days old, lacked the skills maybe against a older player. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8119
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:22:00 -
[48] - Quote
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:I have one moto in what concerns newbs and pvp: if you show your face in low you're good to taste the fire, if you show your face in null you're good to get a fast pod home ticket. In high sec? -well, everything that isn't flying a T2 frig/cruiser or battle cruiser/battleship is a noob even then I can always look "info" to figure out what's up. Yeah, see, that's a horrid rule should it be applied properly, because you have just made it possible for me to move the entire wealth of the universe at zero risk.
GǪand no Gǣbut, common senseGǥ is not a counter-argument, because that's just the thing with rookies: they are new; they have no clue; they can be tricked into moving those riches for me. So suddenly, your rule reads Gǣanyone who's old enough to know the value of things is a newb; anyone too new to know that value is fair gameGǥ, which seemsGǪ counter-productive.
CCP's new rule is idiotic. There are no two ways about it. It is unenforceable, it provides no guidance, and it is superbly exploitable. The rules as they worked before (or at least as everyone though they worked, including the GMs), did not have any of those flaws. If they wanted to be nice to rookies, they could have shifted their policy to be more lenient in terms of reimbursements for GÇ£clueless lossesGÇ¥ GÇö something that they can determine by the same opaque and unofficial rule they use to determine what is a rookie that shouldn't be messed with. That way they can keep their discretionary protection and still not have a completely senseless rule set.
sabre906 wrote:Don't kid yourself. The people asking for "clear rookie rule" are those noob-hunters Incorrect. The ones asking for clear rookie rules are those who want to protect rookies and go after older players (who will otherwise be able to hide behind said rookie rules).
Quote:If "clear" rules were ever established, it will be an all-encompassing one that you won't like. Seeing as how you can have crystal-clear rules that I very much like, you're just as incorrect here, too.
Quote:This idiocy will turn highsec into pvp free zone one of these days. Yes. That's why the idiocy needs to stop and clear rules be implemented-áreinstated to get rid of the idiotic ones we have at the moment. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
366
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:23:00 -
[49] - Quote
Blastcaps Madullier wrote:or simply due to them being 4 days old, lacked the skills maybe against a older player. Is it really that hard to create a fleet, undock, fleet warp, F1 BUTAN at the same time? Nothing Found |
Aulx-Gao Ekanon
336
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:24:00 -
[50] - Quote
What the heck . . . the post where I contributed actual content that was quoted by the OP has disappeared.
Bad show. Naughty by nature, wicked by choice.-á |
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
276
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:29:00 -
[51] - Quote
Yep, as I just said, not pretending I know better the rules or my behaviour is better whatsoever, those are my own rules and I stick to. Does it means I miserably fail some times? -of course I do but I'm never upset about this because the impact on my game is absolutely null, even being "older" player I just took a lesson and next time I'll be on my toes. brb |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8119
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:37:00 -
[52] - Quote
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Yep, as I just said, not pretending I know better the rules or my behaviour is better whatsoever, those are my own rules and I stick to. Does it means I miserably fail some times? -of course I do but I'm never upset about this because the impact on my game is absolutely null, even being "older" player I just took a lesson and next time I'll be on my toes. No, it doesn't mean you fail. It means you can afford to let abusers slip through the net, mainly because it's not up to you to keep the universe in working order.
The GMs, on the other hand, have to do exactly that, so they can't rely on such a rule, and expecting us to do the same is a very bad policy. That is the whole problem: by trying to loosen up the policy to catch more abusers, they've made the rule set immensely more open to abuse. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
31
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:45:00 -
[53] - Quote
Ignorance is not an excuse. You think CCP would allow wars with other corporations if rookies in corporations were still considered rookies? May as well chuck out factional warfare as the occasional rookie joins it and gets podded. I have killed and podded a rookie twice while I was in Privateer Alliance as he was attempting to mine in a velator. Does that make me a horrendous griefer? I considered killing him a third time but to be honest I really couldn't be bothered as my ammo was worth more than what he would drop [ I was well within my rights to kill him however].
You join a corporation you are no longer a rookie simple. Otherwise CCP should stop rookies joining corporations, which would make corporatiion alts a bit more of a hassle to handle. People who are against killing new players in all situations are just not in the EvE mindset and should really go back to WoW, as their righteous indignation over a self-created injustice is not welcome. |
SKYIINET Caliborus
The Gamblinig Gunnery
22
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Posted - 2012.06.22 02:20:00 -
[54] - Quote
Lucy Ferrr wrote:Your anger is misplaced, instead of being angry at the ganker you need to be angry at your CEO and yourself. You are mad at a ganker for ganking? That's what they do. Do you get mad at water for being wet or a dog for licking his balls? You need to be mad at your CEO, you saw the guy before he joined, saw something was fishy, alerted your CEO and he ignored your concerns and 'accidently' accepted the guy. Then you need to be angry at yourself, because you knew something was wrong, you saw the guy got accepted into the corp, and you did nothing to assure the safety of you and your corp mates. In Eve when something is awry and you go about business as usual you die, that is exactly what you did business as usual, dead. If it were me and I saw a greifer accidently got in my corp, I would immediately send a convo out to all legit members and tell them to dock until it's situated, or to get in PvP boats and get ready for battle (option 2 is a hell of a lot more fun). When there is a threat you can't beat you seek safety, that's common sense it shouldn't take living in nul/low to figure that out.
To be honest you sound like a small child that just lost a video game, instead of being a good sport and admitting you loss you cry and scream that your controller is broken. What you need to be doing right now is thinking "What did we do wrong and what can we do in the future to prevent something like this?", but instead you waste your time trying to think of different ways your opponent cheated to include in your petition to CCP. Some douche infiltrating your corp is not a petition-able or banable offense, that is Eve. There is a reason there is a 3-10 day waiting period to get into ANY serious corp in Eve. Background checks are mandatory, and it's pretty apparent you guys are not doing your due diligence (you bragged yourself how many members in a little time you guys got, I am skeptical they were properly checked). If anyone should be petitioned against and banned it should be the leadership of your corp for misleading new people so badly and creating an environment where it is so easy to get ganked and/or robbed by assumed friendlies.
If you don't know how to recruit for a corp, temporally stop recruiting and educate yourself. There are a lot of tools out there for recruiters, get some tips from someone who has done it.
The people I am aiming these statements towards are everyone who it applies to and not directly to Lucy Ferrr
Yes, you are correct, What had happened was at the fault of the CEO, but the member was NEVER to be allowed in the corp.
But if you read the whole post, you would have seen where I SAID NOT TO RECRUIT THE MEMBER????
(If you omitted that you're just an idiot, and I therefore declare you as a fail to the game, and yes, I'm saying that even though I'm new to this game.)
My corporation leads and I had revised how we recruit, because Apparently recruiting 30 members and having 1 player giving us a hard time is bad enough.
Here's what the post was about if you don't mind though; Why are there players who do this?
I have no feelings towards what happened, it's just the same as another person being a jackass, but why?
And here's something else I'd like to say, I'm perfectly fine with the rules.
If a player is a rookie, and they join a player corporation, where the hell is the experience these rookies are supposed to gain to not be a rookie anymore? I Haven't seen much logic on either side.
I am adapting to how players do things, bad, sad, and good.
I am not trying to give out the impression that I am a little kid crying over this, as I said, and for you idiots who apparently didn't read the whole passage, READ THE WHOLE PASSAGE AGAIN.
What I typed at the end is what I was conveying the ideas through.
And one of the things I like about this game is the ability for someone to get in and screw around with your players,
Quote:MineCraft ain't fun until you loose that full diamond armor you worked long and hard for to obtain, even if pvp isn't allowed, you aren't allowed to cry. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1346
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Posted - 2012.06.22 02:33:00 -
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SKYIINET Caliborus wrote:they had a good damn idea of how the game really was
(...)
And the player's actions were petitioned, this includes spawntrapping, quickscoping and spamming of the corporation chat.
(...)
the corporation I'm in has many new players Corp full of newbies, run by some guy that petitions "spawn trapping, quick scoping and spamming corp chat"?
Certainly sounds like you all know how the game really is.
SKYIINET Caliborus wrote:If you don't know what a universal player game etiquette is, it's where old players help out the new players, or players interact with each other in a decent way. You can still pvp, because it's part of the game, just don't be a jerk or destroy them repeatedly without a good cause. Sounds like my current alliance.
Maybe you should join a corporation run by someone who actually knows what the hell they are doing?
SKYIINET Caliborus wrote:BTW NOT ALL PLAYERS WERE LOGGED IN AT ONCE THERE WERE 1-9 AT THE TIME, AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO BUY A SHIP AND FLY IT WITHOUT LEAVING THE STATION TO GO GET IT. You realise you can undock in a pod and warp off, right?
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
SKYIINET Caliborus
The Gamblinig Gunnery
22
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Posted - 2012.06.22 03:01:00 -
[56] - Quote
Who is MXZF btw?
Honestly, everyone in my corp is leaning how the game is. It's in space with a bunch of planets and stations plunged in liquid dynamics.
And I'm new, I make mistakes, the mistake that happened this time was not mine.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1101
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Posted - 2012.06.22 03:04:00 -
[57] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Yeah, see, that's a horrid rule should it be applied properly, because you have just made it possible for me to move the entire wealth of the universe at zero risk.
GǪand no Gǣbut, common senseGǥ is not a counter-argument, because that's just the thing with rookies: they are new; they have no clue; they can be tricked into moving those riches for me. So suddenly, your rule reads Gǣanyone who's old enough to know the value of things is a newb; anyone too new to know that value is fair gameGǥ, which seemsGǪ counter-productive. Newbies moving PLEXes in their cute Merlin, huh... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
3015
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Posted - 2012.06.22 03:10:00 -
[58] - Quote
CCP can easily check the griefers account history and killmail record to ascertain a pattern. This sounds exactly like one of those loopholes that CCP was referring to about player bullies taking advantage and bending the rules.
CCP said do not mess with Rookies. CCP didn't say just rookies in NPC corp, CCP said DO NOT MESS WITH ROOKIES.
If that isn't clear enough, wake up and drink some coffee. If clarification is needed, Rookie chat is active for 30 days.
Personally I hope the guy get's his ISP # perma-banned. This whole 'killing new players to teach them a lesson' is nothing more than a fail attempt to justify their actions. |
RAP ACTION HERO
99
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Posted - 2012.06.22 04:00:00 -
[59] - Quote
your whole corp should be disbanded |
SKYIINET Caliborus
The Gamblinig Gunnery
22
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Posted - 2012.06.22 04:19:00 -
[60] - Quote
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:your whole corp should be disbanded
For what reason? They won't be able to join any other corps because most of my recruits that wanted to join a corp said they were useless. And that's the exact wording.
I ain't the one who's wrong here for doing what I'm doing. I'm just trying to have a good time playing EVE with some fellow gamers.
The hell's wrong with some of you.
Are you trying to tell me and my corporation members how to play a game?
I'm not fine with that.
What I am fine with is if:
You are giving me advice and telling me I should learn how the game works before making a corporation .
If that's not what you are telling me, but you just wanna be a jackass, then don't bother replying anymore.
If you are telling me that, then I understand you dislike it because you are still trying to be a jackass, and there I say trying; somebody woke up thinking their opinion mattered. |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1101
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Posted - 2012.06.22 04:21:00 -
[61] - Quote
SKYIINET Caliborus wrote:RAP ACTION HERO wrote:your whole corp should be disbanded For what reason? They won't be able to join any other corps because most of my recruits that wanted to join a corp said they were useless. And that's the exact wording. Who was useless, the corp or the recruits? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
RAP ACTION HERO
99
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Posted - 2012.06.22 04:27:00 -
[62] - Quote
you know leading rookies is probably one of the hardest thing to do in eve, vs a 3 month player who have their own self sufficiency to fall back on.
rookies need guidance, resources, protection and most importantly they should feel like they are having fun your corp obviously got nothing for them except for a 5% tax
them rookies need a better home. |
SKYIINET Caliborus
The Gamblinig Gunnery
22
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Posted - 2012.06.22 04:29:00 -
[63] - Quote
Alavaria Fera you really need me to reiterate this for you?
*sigh*
The corporations that my recruits were rejected from, were because the corporations said to the recruits: THE RECRUIT WAS USELESS, primarily because of how new they were.
I find this sad that a corp won't help a new member out in the first place.
Can anyone understand what I am trying to say here? |
SKYIINET Caliborus
The Gamblinig Gunnery
22
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Posted - 2012.06.22 04:30:00 -
[64] - Quote
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:you know leading rookies is probably one of the hardest thing to do in eve, vs a 3 month player who have their own self sufficiency to fall back on.
rookies need guidance, resources, protection and most importantly they should feel like they are having fun your corp obviously got nothing for them except for a 5% tax
them rookies need a better home.
That 3 month player was a rookie at some point, but I have patience, I'd like to see your corp's tax rate. I wasn't the one who set mine, and honestly I don't play this game for the currency.
The main reason I don't play this game for the currency, is because of a ill-famous game published by a game Andrew Gower place in the control of Mark Gerhard. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1101
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Posted - 2012.06.22 04:31:00 -
[65] - Quote
SKYIINET Caliborus wrote:The corporations that my recruits were rejected from, were because the corporations said to the recruits: THE RECRUIT WAS USELESS, primarily because of how new they were.
I find this sad that a corp won't help a new member out in the first place.
Can anyone understand what I am trying to say here? That's sad.
I see what you're getting at. They need a healthy diet of rifters to grow up to be brave pilots :)
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
SKYIINET Caliborus
The Gamblinig Gunnery
22
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Posted - 2012.06.22 04:33:00 -
[66] - Quote
I loled IRL on that one. Alavaria Fera
Yes, that makes perfect sense, put a person in a rifter repeatedly so when they come across a ship bigger than them, they know when to give up.
I'm definitely sure a path in a rifter to skill up would take 200 or more days to learn. |
RAP ACTION HERO
99
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Posted - 2012.06.22 04:34:00 -
[67] - Quote
SKYIINET Caliborus wrote:I loled IRL on that one. Alavaria Fera
Yes, that makes perfect sense, put a person in a rifter repeatedly so when they come across a ship bigger than them, they know when to give up.
I'm definitely sure a path in a rifter to skill up would take 200 or more days to learn. i loled too, 200 days training for rifter |
InternetSpaceship
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.06.22 04:36:00 -
[68] - Quote
SKYIINET Caliborus wrote:
(And the player's actions were petitioned, this includes spawntrapping, quickscoping and spamming of the corporation chat)
"This person is playing in a way I don't like. CCP, come play the game for me and make him go away. :cry:"
Carebears like you are why people hate carebears. You want him gone, get rid of him yourself. Play the game.
Corina Jarr wrote:Ohhhhhh.
Well, not gonna change peoples minds on things. Like trying to argue evolution to a devout Catholic.
Catholic doctrine accepts evolution.
Quote:
I don't like the views of neonazis, doesn't make a lick of difference.
Classy. Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.
If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1101
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Posted - 2012.06.22 04:40:00 -
[69] - Quote
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:SKYIINET Caliborus wrote:I loled IRL on that one. Alavaria Fera
Yes, that makes perfect sense, put a person in a rifter repeatedly so when they come across a ship bigger than them, they know when to give up.
I'm definitely sure a path in a rifter to skill up would take 200 or more days to learn. i loled too, 200 days training for rifter I definitely lolled.
It's funny when a rifter catches a tengu, and then suddenly there's another 10 rifters pointing and webbing him. Point BEFORE you web, newbie :)
The first killmail I got on was in fact delivered by fellow rifter that just happened to be close when the tengu warped in at 100km... he didn't die a fast death because all the newbies piled on him before someone finished him off... (didn't get the pod though) Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
InternetSpaceship
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.06.22 04:42:00 -
[70] - Quote
Ivan Ward wrote:Griefers like this disturbs the force within this game and should be delt with swiftly. That behavior is truly disgusting and and the grimness of his actions can not be put down into words.
Get rid of that CEO of yours or simply reform.
Then deal with them yourself. That is what Eve is all about. The strongest survive. Whining to CCP is not playing the game. Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.
If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you. |
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Yolanta Geezenstack
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
14
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Posted - 2012.06.22 04:43:00 -
[71] - Quote
SKYIINET Caliborus wrote:I'm not really seeing much of the universal player game etiquette in this game, and it's kind of sad.
If you don't know what a universal player game etiquette is, it's where old players help out the new players, or players interact with each other in a decent way. You can still pvp, because it's part of the game, just don't be a jerk or destroy them repeatedly without a good cause.
Are you sure that this "Universal Game Etiquette" (who defined that anyway? who said that it has to be universal? and who is controlling if it's applied?) is applied in EVE, too? From my understanding EVE you CAN be a jerk in EVE and I don't need to have a CAUSE to destroy someone.
I think the basic idea of your corporation will fail. |
InternetSpaceship
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.06.22 04:43:00 -
[72] - Quote
sabre906 wrote:SKYIINET Caliborus wrote:The people I had to take care of this weren't logged in at the time, and the players that got killed were new new new, I'm talking less than 4 days. And most of them didn't want to pvp, and I don't blame them. CCP is on an active campaign to ban anyone "messing with" (actual term used, inclusive regardless of how narrow someone's definition of griefing is) rookies in 14 day trial period.
...in rookie systems. Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.
If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1101
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Posted - 2012.06.22 04:46:00 -
[73] - Quote
InternetSpaceship wrote:Ivan Ward wrote:Griefers like this disturbs the force within this game and should be delt with swiftly. That behavior is truly disgusting and and the grimness of his actions can not be put down into words.
Get rid of that CEO of yours or simply reform. Then deal with them yourself. That is what Eve is all about. The strongest survive. Whining to CCP is not playing the game. It isn't an effective part of the metagame? I thought that's what the whole buffing concord was about ... huh. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
SKYIINET Caliborus
The Gamblinig Gunnery
22
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Posted - 2012.06.22 04:56:00 -
[74] - Quote
Obviously I don't know enough of the game to argue at this point, so I'm going to turn my slip in now. |
Domono
Naval Auxiliary Group
10
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Posted - 2012.06.22 05:04:00 -
[75] - Quote
I am so baffled as to why people have an issue with the rule. OP stated that the guy said he was targeting new players specifically. Big no no. If he instead just said I don't like you guys, he might get a talking to about targeting noobs and sent on his marry. Does that mean you can go around blowing up every noob and say "Well I didn't like him"? Absolutely not, when you do get reported CCP is sure to see the pattern. Now if he happen to scan someone transporting a lot of valuables and decides to gank him and he happens to be 2 weeks. Do you think CCP would blame him? Really? When they say use common sense, just try it a little bit, you might be surprised with the answers you come up with.
Just relax guys don't over think it. Don't read to much into it. Don't target new players specifically in any way shape or form. When/if you do find a new player at the wrong end of your weapons don't make the extra effort to wrongly incriminate yourself IE: Blow up character hauling 1b worth of modules, don't say "Stupid noob"
In any other circumstance I can't see why you would even need to think about it. For what reason are you ganking t1 frigates and rookie ships in high sec? On the off chance they might have something valuable? Big gamble to take when their are two modules specifically made to figure that out for you. |
InternetSpaceship
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.06.22 05:20:00 -
[76] - Quote
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Tippia wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:It's your right to love this behaviour and it's mine to say that this guy is breaking the rule "don't mess with rookies" + abusing system to not be kicked from the corp witch is an obvious behaviour CCP doesn't like. They were pretty much excluded from the GÇ£don't mess with rookiesGÇ¥ rule the second they joined a PC corp. I actually can not agree or disagree with you since CCP didn't made this also obvious.
Yup. A GM even came in the thread and stated he intended to keep it vague, presumably so we can have fun situations like this one where the rules aren't at all clear. And most of that thread likes it that way, because it's a barely veiled means of saying "No PvP in highsec." Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.
If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1101
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Posted - 2012.06.22 05:22:00 -
[77] - Quote
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Tippia wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:It's your right to love this behaviour and it's mine to say that this guy is breaking the rule "don't mess with rookies" + abusing system to not be kicked from the corp witch is an obvious behaviour CCP doesn't like. They were pretty much excluded from the GÇ£don't mess with rookiesGÇ¥ rule the second they joined a PC corp. I actually can not agree or disagree with you since CCP didn't made this also obvious. If you see a blinking red rookie ship, you'll blow it up.
Newbies should be educated in how to defend themselves from wardecs, I don't think the tutorial teaches them that. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
InternetSpaceship
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.06.22 06:00:00 -
[78] - Quote
Terranid Meester wrote:Ignorance is not an excuse. You think CCP would allow wars with other corporations if rookies in corporations were still considered rookies?
If they do, and rookies in player corps indeed cannot be attacked, the next GoonSwarm Rookie Drive is going to be a hell of a thing to see.
No need to even fight, just undock in Jita and watch as half the player base is banned for ******* with rookies. Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.
If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you. |
InternetSpaceship
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.06.22 06:04:00 -
[79] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:CCP can easily check the griefers account history and killmail record to ascertain a pattern. This sounds exactly like one of those loopholes that CCP was referring to about player bullies taking advantage and bending the rules.
CCP said do not mess with Rookies. CCP didn't say just rookies in NPC corp, CCP said DO NOT MESS WITH ROOKIES.
If that isn't clear enough, wake up and drink some coffee. If clarification is needed, Rookie chat is active for 30 days.
Personally I hope the guy get's his ISP # perma-banned. This whole 'killing new players to teach them a lesson' is nothing more than a fail attempt to justify their actions.
So how do I know if he still has rookie chat?
That isn't a clarification at all. A clarification would make it clear to any player who is and isn't a rookie. I don't care about any baseless "noob-hunter" speculation you might have, if we have a hard rule not to **** with rookies, then we need to be told what a rookie is. That is only reasonable.
SKYIINET Caliborus wrote:RAP ACTION HERO wrote:your whole corp should be disbanded Are you trying to tell me and my corporation members how to play a game?
You aren't playing the game, though, you're whining for CCP to ban the accounts of other players who are. Those players are using game rules and mechanics to play it. You don't like how they are playing it, but instead of doing the same and driving them away from your corp, you just dock up and cry to CCP about how hard Eve is and how you need them to come in and play it for you. Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.
If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
824
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Posted - 2012.06.22 06:08:00 -
[80] - Quote
SKYIINET Caliborus wrote:I loled IRL on that one. Alavaria Fera
Yes, that makes perfect sense, put a person in a rifter repeatedly so when they come across a ship bigger than them, they know when to give up.
I'm definitely sure a path in a rifter to skill up would take 200 or more days to learn. My first kill was taking down a myrmidon in an incursus. I think my toon was about a week old.
EVE does not have a 'catch up' issue like other games do, unless you want to fly big ships. Guess what, big ships have a hell of a time killing small ones, unless they gimp themselves.
You might want to recruit someone who can fly a BS, just in case you end up with someone ganking you in a big ship fit to kill small ones.(you would have to put small guns on a BS to hit a frig effectively, as long as the frig keeps up traversal) Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
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Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
824
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Posted - 2012.06.22 06:10:00 -
[81] - Quote
InternetSpaceship wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:CCP can easily check the griefers account history and killmail record to ascertain a pattern. This sounds exactly like one of those loopholes that CCP was referring to about player bullies taking advantage and bending the rules.
CCP said do not mess with Rookies. CCP didn't say just rookies in NPC corp, CCP said DO NOT MESS WITH ROOKIES.
If that isn't clear enough, wake up and drink some coffee. If clarification is needed, Rookie chat is active for 30 days.
Personally I hope the guy get's his ISP # perma-banned. This whole 'killing new players to teach them a lesson' is nothing more than a fail attempt to justify their actions. So how do I know if he still has rookie chat? That isn't a clarification at all. A clarification would make it clear to any player who is and isn't a rookie. I don't care about any baseless "noob-hunter" speculation you might have, if we have a hard rule not to **** with rookies, then we need to be told what a rookie is. That is only reasonable. SKYIINET Caliborus wrote:RAP ACTION HERO wrote:your whole corp should be disbanded Are you trying to tell me and my corporation members how to play a game? You aren't playing the game, though, you're whining for CCP to ban the accounts of other players who are. Those players are using game rules and mechanics to play it. You don't like how they are playing it, but instead of doing the same and driving them away from your corp, you just dock up and cry to CCP about how hard Eve is and how you need them to come in and play it for you. This ^^
I have a 5 year old toon who still has rookie chat and no more SP than he started with. Is he immune to ganks?
What if I roll up a 10 hour hero? Is it illegal to shoot back at him when he ganks a hulk? Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Halete
Echoes of Korgoth Initiative
164
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Posted - 2012.06.22 06:23:00 -
[82] - Quote
Thought that limitation was just to Rookie systems.
Else anyone going on NBSI engagement policies is probably at some point going to kill a rookie. Dirty heretical mud-child, reporting in. |
InternetSpaceship
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.06.22 06:26:00 -
[83] - Quote
Halete wrote:Thought that limitation was just to Rookie systems.
Else anyone going on NBSI engagement policies is probably at some point going to kill a rookie.
It is, I mentioned that earlier, but it was ignored, because this is Eve-O.
Also, we don't even have a clear definition of rookie systems. So just be safe and don't shoot anyone in highsec ever GOD YOU NOOB HUNTERS JUST DON'T GET IT Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.
If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you. |
Halete
Echoes of Korgoth Initiative
164
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Posted - 2012.06.22 06:39:00 -
[84] - Quote
InternetSpaceship wrote: It is, I mentioned that earlier, but it was ignored, because this is Eve-O.
M'kay. Was going to say. Wasn't sure where people were pulling the 'all rookies' thing from there. Dirty heretical mud-child, reporting in. |
Domono
Naval Auxiliary Group
10
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Posted - 2012.06.22 07:08:00 -
[85] - Quote
GM Homonoia wrote:Ok, this seems to be getting out of hand and our rulings are pulled out of context. So let me state this in the most simple terms possible. 1. New PLAYERS are protected by CCP in the systems listed here: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Rookie_Systems2. No one is protected in systems outside of this list. 3. None but new PLAYERS are protected by CCP in any way. 4. If new PLAYERS keep getting harassed the list of systems may be expanded. 5. Players cannot see which characters are new PLAYERS and which are old players with new CHARACTERS; game masters CAN see this and we act accordingly. 6. It is impossible to define what a new PLAYER is in a way that is comprehensible, to the point and without loop holes, in addition to our players able to apply these rules to their fellow players around them. This means that we will not provide a hard definition to our player base, however game masters internally can apply these rules consistently and without bias. 7. In general do NOT mess around with new PLAYERS; anyone else is fair game.The above guidelines are not up for discussion and they will not be further clarified. If you need further clarification you are probably doing something you should not be doing.
This post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=100978&find=unread
Rookie Systems! http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Rookie_Systems |
SKYIINET Caliborus
The Gamblinig Gunnery
22
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Posted - 2012.06.22 08:31:00 -
[86] - Quote
InternetSpaceship wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:CCP can easily check the griefers account history and killmail record to ascertain a pattern. This sounds exactly like one of those loopholes that CCP was referring to about player bullies taking advantage and bending the rules.
CCP said do not mess with Rookies. CCP didn't say just rookies in NPC corp, CCP said DO NOT MESS WITH ROOKIES.
If that isn't clear enough, wake up and drink some coffee. If clarification is needed, Rookie chat is active for 30 days.
Personally I hope the guy get's his ISP # perma-banned. This whole 'killing new players to teach them a lesson' is nothing more than a fail attempt to justify their actions. So how do I know if he still has rookie chat? That isn't a clarification at all. A clarification would make it clear to any player who is and isn't a rookie. I don't care about any baseless "noob-hunter" speculation you might have, if we have a hard rule not to **** with rookies, then we need to be told what a rookie is. That is only reasonable. SKYIINET Caliborus wrote:RAP ACTION HERO wrote:your whole corp should be disbanded Are you trying to tell me and my corporation members how to play a game? You aren't playing the game, though, you're whining for CCP to ban the accounts of other players who are. Those players are using game rules and mechanics to play it. You don't like how they are playing it, but instead of doing the same and driving them away from your corp, you just dock up and cry to CCP about how hard Eve is and how you need them to come in and play it for you.
Wasn't whining. Point to where I was whining please. All I said is that the player was giving my corporation a hard time, and did you even see where I said
I DIDN'T GIVE INSTRUCTIONS TO LET THE PLAYER IN, IT WAS AN ACCIDENT, JESUS CHRIST KID READ THE POST.
All I asked was, why are players like this, If you think I was asking the ccp to do something, point to where the hell I said the string :CCP: in my post. K? ANYONE WHO ISN'T ABLE TO POINT TO IT AND HAS NOT REFERRED TO IT I DECLARE A DIGRESSING INDIVIDUAL.
Stay on topic please, I didn't mention the ccp. I didn't mention any ops, I said the player got in, and killed some of my corporation members, 60% of the members that were online at the time.
If you don't follow what I said, I will quote you and call you an idiot, because that is what you are. |
SKYIINET Caliborus
The Gamblinig Gunnery
22
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Posted - 2012.06.22 08:34:00 -
[87] - Quote
Oh, and I in no way want the rules to be altered, this thread is getting twisted to a different topic.
I want to play the game, but if I can't have a revenge part in it where someone messed with me, I wouldn't have much fun getting back at them now would I?
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Virgil Travis
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
354
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Posted - 2012.06.22 10:45:00 -
[88] - Quote
I've done a little research and can see where the real problem lies, your CEO is only a matter of weeks old himself, not sure if he's actually a new player, but it's certainly a new character. Corps filled with new players tend to attract attention, it used to be wardecs but those have ended up being broken and so some players turned to infiltration and awoxing as you've experienced.
We formed our own corp only after being in a much larger corp for several months that taught us about the game and how to handle ourselves, we weren't quite as new as you guys and we knew how the game worked and had been through a few wars in the previous corp.
Being so new is part of the problem, if you'd had a more experienced CEO then this probably wouldn't have happened or would have been dealt with more easily and would have been forgotten about in a matter of days. I would suggest talking to one or two of the players that have offered to join your corp and have a crack at this awoxer for you, take the opportunity to learn a few things and I know from personal experience that a gang of 5 - 10 frigates can take down a duel tanked destroyer with ease if they get stuck in.
The unfortunate thing is that new players starting their own corps and thinking they're just like guilds or clans in other games may be in for some surprises when they attract the attention of others in the game. Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims. |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
809
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Posted - 2012.06.22 10:54:00 -
[89] - Quote
Sadly there are quite a few Eve players who like to prey purely on the weak and the new as they are unable to fight real pvpers. They wil say its tear harvesting or somewuch nonsence, the reality is often that in real life or in game they are weak powerless people. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
291
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:46:00 -
[90] - Quote
InternetSpaceship wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Tippia wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:It's your right to love this behaviour and it's mine to say that this guy is breaking the rule "don't mess with rookies" + abusing system to not be kicked from the corp witch is an obvious behaviour CCP doesn't like. They were pretty much excluded from the GÇ£don't mess with rookiesGÇ¥ rule the second they joined a PC corp. I actually can not agree or disagree with you since CCP didn't made this also obvious. Yup. A GM even came in the thread and stated he intended to keep it vague, presumably so we can have fun situations like this one where the rules aren't at all clear. And most of that thread likes it that way, because it's a barely veiled means of saying "No PvP in highsec."
Well if a rookie targets you and shoot you:
-he's probably some noob and is about to boum by concord and will not even harm you anyway
-he's and older player alt trying to get you to kill him and exploit rule to get you some ban: GM's are not idiots
6rookie with 1bil in his cargo? -c'mon this is not a rookie, it's common sense, and it deserves to eat the fire.
Now I'm pretty sure that if Goonswarm wants to abuse the system until changes are done those are "noob" experienced enough (see last thread about FW LP's that I liked by the way). Pretty sure they can come up with every single possible situation and harass GM's with petitions to make some sort of "chart" and help them (GM's) set some clear rules.
I'd like to see this being done so rookies/jerks have defined rules of engagement (but still Gm's last word is the one prevailing)
Goonies? -do it, NAO !!
<3 brb |
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Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
534
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Posted - 2012.06.22 14:20:00 -
[91] - Quote
This is all I have to say. |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
73
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Posted - 2012.06.22 14:33:00 -
[92] - Quote
You guys realise there was one engagement here, and its pretty much impossible for one guy in a thrasher to trap and kill 5 frigs/destroyers unless they are you know trying to kill him back. |
SKYIINET Caliborus
The Gamblinig Gunnery
22
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Posted - 2012.06.22 14:48:00 -
[93] - Quote
Rico Minali wrote:Sadly there are quite a few Eve players who like to prey purely on the weak and the new as they are unable to fight real pvpers. They wil say its tear harvesting or somewuch nonsence, the reality is often that in real life or in game they are weak powerless people.
That's what I was looking for.
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1812
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Posted - 2012.06.22 14:51:00 -
[94] - Quote
Danks wrote:You had 33 noobs and couldn't take down one guy? I'd say the fault is yours OP for not thinking of a way to do that.
Also, not griefing, not bullying, not harrasment. This is the risk anyone takes when forming a corp.
This. Seriously, one good bait ship to get him aggressed and unable to dock, then a swarm of Merlins, Rifters, and Incursus. He's doomed. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
378
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Posted - 2012.06.22 14:52:00 -
[95] - Quote
SKYIINET Caliborus wrote:Rico Minali wrote:Sadly there are quite a few Eve players who like to prey purely on the weak and the new as they are unable to fight real pvpers. They wil say its tear harvesting or somewuch nonsence, the reality is often that in real life or in game they are weak powerless people. That's what I was looking for.
The whole point of making this post was to get that specific reaction? Thanks for shitting up the forums... Nothing Found |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1812
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Posted - 2012.06.22 14:52:00 -
[96] - Quote
Rico Minali wrote:Sadly there are quite a few Eve players who like to prey purely on the weak and the new as they are unable to fight real pvpers. They wil say its tear harvesting or somewuch nonsence, the reality is often that in real life or in game they are weak powerless people. Your vision of "reality" differs from what i know of guys who do this sort of thing. And I know quite a few of them. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
Tevar
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.06.22 15:06:00 -
[97] - Quote
What would stop a Vet from getting a 14 day account... pimping out a rookie ship and killing sophmoric players "like myself" that now can't fire back cause we'll get banned?
Also... if said rookie/vet exploiter leaves the rookie system and agresses you... wth do you do... if your lucky enough to figure out it's a real rookie or possibly a fakey rookie... I mean... this could get out of hand if there are enough folks that start doing this... zombie rookie fleets of doom...
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SKYIINET Caliborus
The Gamblinig Gunnery
22
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Posted - 2012.06.22 16:36:00 -
[98] - Quote
Karl Hobb wrote:SKYIINET Caliborus wrote:Rico Minali wrote:Sadly there are quite a few Eve players who like to prey purely on the weak and the new as they are unable to fight real pvpers. They wil say its tear harvesting or somewuch nonsence, the reality is often that in real life or in game they are weak powerless people. That's what I was looking for. The whole point of making this post was to get that specific reaction? Thanks for shitting up the forums...
It went from me asking what makes a player want to do that action to...
Apparently people expressing their opinion of why I complain to the CCP to...
How the rookie system should work?
I wasn't the one who set up the reactions, it was someone around the 2nd - 8th post who went waaaay off topic. |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
378
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Posted - 2012.06.22 16:52:00 -
[99] - Quote
SKYIINET Caliborus wrote:It went from me asking what makes a player want to do that action to... So you wanted a specific answer to your question and weren't prepared for the people telling you that it doesn't matter why someone wants to do that, in EVE it is up to you to stop them from doing it?
**** man, I could tell you all day that the dude is pretty sad for picking on newbies but it doesn't change the fact that you're whining over something that you personally have to deal with. You had the tools, 8 guys vs. one, and instead of fighting back you came here to whine. No wonder you got the reaction you did. Nothing Found |
SKYIINET Caliborus
The Gamblinig Gunnery
22
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Posted - 2012.06.22 17:22:00 -
[100] - Quote
Karl Hobb wrote:SKYIINET Caliborus wrote:It went from me asking what makes a player want to do that action to... So you wanted a specific answer to your question and weren't prepared for the people telling you that it doesn't matter why someone wants to do that, in EVE it is up to you to stop them from doing it? **** man, I could tell you all day that the dude is pretty sad for picking on newbies but it doesn't change the fact that you're whining over something that you personally have to deal with. You had the tools, 8 guys vs. one, and instead of fighting back you came here to whine. No wonder you got the reaction you did.
Meh reasonable I guess. |
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Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
809
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Posted - 2012.06.23 08:58:00 -
[101] - Quote
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Rico Minali wrote:Sadly there are quite a few Eve players who like to prey purely on the weak and the new as they are unable to fight real pvpers. They wil say its tear harvesting or somewuch nonsence, the reality is often that in real life or in game they are weak powerless people. Your vision of "reality" differs from what i know of guys who do this sort of thing. And I know quite a few of them.
I also know quite a few people who do or who have done this. I can also predict which of the guys I kick from my corp will go to empire and start doing things like this fairly accurately, they are the kind of people I dont want in my corp, I need people who can stand up and fight in real pvp. This isnt a vision of 'reality' it is a vision of 'in game' personas. It is pretty much an exact mirror of the type of people who write aggressive forum posts often implying that they are in some way a 'hard' person from behind the safety of internet anonymity.
Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
EvEa Deva
State War Academy Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2012.06.23 09:57:00 -
[102] - Quote
OP you learned a very good lesson ( i hope ) check out the people you let into your corp.
They can kill you, steal from you, trick you into trusting them and kill you some more.
This happens in 0.0 weekly, someone will get thier 4 bill ratting ship poped by blues, people giving false intel, leading gangs into a trap, we call them an awoxer.
Recruit a little slower, perpair for some PvP because its coming sooner then later.
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