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Hernan Johuihen Pochteca Industries COALICION HISPANA 0	Posted - 2012.06.21 15:57:00 - [1] - Quote Like the title said im wasting my time leveling up caldari skills? they really suck hard? xD
Corina Jarr Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built 838	Posted - 2012.06.21 15:59:00 - [2] - Quote Do you mean skills that Caldari ships use, or the skills for mods that are favored by Caldari ships? Anyway doesn't matter. They have some good ships for whatever you want to do, and missiles and shields work just fine.
darmwand Repo. 55	Posted - 2012.06.21 16:03:00 - [3] - Quote I recently started flying a Merlin instead of my Incursus and I'm enjoying it. I don't really know about the bigger ships but I think Caldari skills can be quite useful, with the Falcon being one of the most annoying ships in the universe. So no, I don't think you're wasting time, but it might depend a little on what exactly you are planning to do in EVE. darmwand Repossession Agent http://www.repo-corp.net/ Recruitment is OPEN
Kyle Ward Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2012.06.21 16:04:00 - [4] - Quote winmatar ships best ships Postin with my main
Lin-Young Borovskova Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 273	Posted - 2012.06.21 16:07:00 - [5] - Quote Nope they don't. Caldari have awesome choices of ships for almost everything in the game, the best electronic counter measure system and drones, the best T3 ship sticking to CCP definition of versatility, awesome weapon system under capital size and list goes on. Of course some ships need balance and it's about to be done in next ship balancing step. You can directly cross train Minmatar (because shields) and access some of the most iconic ships in the game and a new interesting game play. You can cross train gallente ships and get Gila that is a better ishtar than ishtar for a heavy assault cruiser, Rattlesnake witch is probably the best shield tanking out there capable of tank a very high amount of dmg when all others are probably already dead. You can cross train Amarr but will need a lot more effort because you need to train a lot of mechanic skills and gunnery but you will then access to some of the most powerful pirate ships around, whenever you see yourself yellow/red box by Bahalgorn it's too late. So, as you can see Caldari are not top dogs but they are definitively good. brb
Marconus Orion Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies. 104	Posted - 2012.06.21 16:07:00 - [6] - Quote Avoid Gallente and you will be fine.
Simetraz State War Academy Caldari State 390	Posted - 2012.06.21 16:10:00 - [7] - Quote IF you are having fun then it doesn't matter. There will always be the flavor of the month or year when it comes to PvP. And it has shifted every time CCP comes in and nerfs or buffs something. Fly what you want unless you are forced by your alliance mandates, and expect those to change from time to time. EVERYBODY KNOWS
Ituhata Saken Caldari Provisions Caldari State 328	Posted - 2012.06.21 16:10:00 - [8] - Quote battleship grey best color So close...
Akirei Scytale Test Alliance Please Ignore 1654	Posted - 2012.06.21 16:12:00 - [9] - Quote Lin-Young Borovskova wrote: the best [...] drones wat. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance
Lucy Ferrr Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 70	Posted - 2012.06.21 16:14:00 - [10] - Quote The Merlin is now the best frig in the game, it has finally dethroned the rifter. And yeah noone flys Drakes or Tengus, yeah Caldari sucks......
sabre906 Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice 298	Posted - 2012.06.21 16:22:00 - [11] - Quote Winmatards win. Fly Winmatar. Be a Winmatard. Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454
Ituhata Saken Caldari Provisions Caldari State 328	Posted - 2012.06.21 16:24:00 - [12] - Quote Akirei Scytale wrote: Lin-Young Borovskova wrote: the best [...] drones wat. Oh come on now, we all know EC-300's are where its at. I was going to joke about how Hornet II's have been the workhorse drones in 0.0 for years but then I remembered the EC-300.... So close...
Suqq Madiq Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 84	Posted - 2012.06.21 16:27:00 - [13] - Quote I feel awful for anybody training Caldari. Best T1 frigate: Check Best Battlecruiser: Check Best T3 Cruiser: Check Best EWAR: Check Poor, poor Caldari. How can they ever compete...
Lin-Young Borovskova Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 274	Posted - 2012.06.21 16:39:00 - [14] - Quote Akirei Scytale wrote: Lin-Young Borovskova wrote: the best [...] drones wat. You should know my English grammar is very bad you sweet brunette (look better without those googles), so let me say it again and try to be more precise: "the best electronic counter measure drones", you know those EC 300 you have on your bay brb
Lin-Young Borovskova Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 274	Posted - 2012.06.21 16:42:00 - [15] - Quote Ituhata Saken wrote: Akirei Scytale wrote: Lin-Young Borovskova wrote: the best [...] drones wat. Oh come on now, we all know EC-300's are where its at. I was going to joke about how Hornet II's have been the workhorse drones in 0.0 for years but then I remembered the EC-300.... And actually those caldari drones (light) against frigs are pretty awesome because: awesome speed, tracking, range dmg application (a lot of winmatar ships are weak to kinetic) brb
No More Heroes GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 679	Posted - 2012.06.21 16:43:00 - [16] - Quote One word: Tengu .
THE L0CK Denying You Access 571	Posted - 2012.06.21 16:45:00 - [17] - Quote Is he making statements or asking questions? Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?
ElQuirko Protus Correction Facility Inc. 750	Posted - 2012.06.21 16:47:00 - [18] - Quote Suqq Madiq wrote: I feel awful for anybody training Caldari. Best T1 frigate: Check Best Battlecruiser: Check Best T3 Cruiser: Check Best EWAR: Check Poor, poor Caldari. How can they ever compete... Nope. Best T1 frigate: Incursus Best Battlecruiser: Brutix Best T3 Cruiser: Proteus Best EWAR: Welp, yeah, that is ECM. CISPA - Readin' your secret corptheft mails since 2012
Lin-Young Borovskova Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 276	Posted - 2012.06.21 16:49:00 - [19] - Quote ElQuirko wrote: Suqq Madiq wrote: I feel awful for anybody training Caldari. Best T1 frigate: Check Best Battlecruiser: Check Best T3 Cruiser: Check Best EWAR: Check Poor, poor Caldari. How can they ever compete... Nope. Best T1 frigate: Incursus Best Battlecruiser: Brutix Best T3 Cruiser: Proteus Best EWAR: Welp, yeah, that is ECM. You don't pvp that much do you? -I mean outside of gate/station camping? brb
Leisen Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 41	Posted - 2012.06.21 16:52:00 - [20] - Quote Hernan Johuihen wrote: Like the title said im wasting my time leveling up caldari skills? they really suck hard? xD Be silent! You know not what you say. Caldari are better than they've been in years. If you keep whining, they'll buff Caldari further. You know what happens if they do that? People whine. They will whine, and CCP will nerf Caldari back into the stone age where they've been. I've waited too long for Caldari to be viable again for you to **** it up. For both of our sake's, BE SILENT. inb4 Merlin nerf
Hernan Johuihen Pochteca Industries COALICION HISPANA 1	Posted - 2012.06.21 16:54:00 - [21] - Quote Leisen wrote: Hernan Johuihen wrote: Like the title said im wasting my time leveling up caldari skills? they really suck hard? xD Be silent! You know not what you say. Caldari are better than they've been in years. If you keep whining, they'll buff Caldari further. You know what happens if they do that? People whine. They will whine, and CCP will nerf Caldari back into the stone age where they've been. I've waited too long for Caldari to be viable again for you to **** it up. For both of our sake's, BE SILENT. inb4 Merlin nerf you mean, caldari sucks?
Mira Lynne State War Academy Caldari State 79	Posted - 2012.06.21 17:59:00 - [22] - Quote Suqq Madiq wrote: I feel awful for anybody training Caldari. Best T1 frigate: Check Best Battlecruiser: Check Best T3 Cruiser: Check Best EWAR: Check Poor, poor Caldari. How can they ever compete... Best is relative. Also, you left out the part about anything not on this list being somewhere between 'mediocre' and 'garbage' Support the Return of Realistic Module Icons! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=114818&find=unread
Zyress The Fabulous Thunderbirds 105	Posted - 2012.06.21 18:15:00 - [23] - Quote They're all right for a start (so far, until they redo the Drake to change it from a great pve ship thats good in blobs to an ok pve boat thats fantastic in blobs), like has been said the shield tanking makes cross training into winmatar boats not overly taxing and eventually you'll want to cross train to everything anyway
nate555 GODHC INTERSTELLAR FLEET Primal Force 44	Posted - 2012.06.21 19:34:00 - [24] - Quote My guess is you are tying to do something that caldari ships are very good in. What you should do is do what fits to the ship strentghs. For exams the cerb is a long range ship that would work best with logi. Not every ship is a solo ship.
nate555 GODHC INTERSTELLAR FLEET Primal Force 44	Posted - 2012.06.21 19:39:00 - [25] - Quote My guess is you are tying to do something that caldari ships are very good in. What you should do is do what fits to the ship strentghs. For exams the cerb is a long range ship that would work best with logi. Not every ship is a solo ship.
nate555 GODHC INTERSTELLAR FLEET Primal Force 44	Posted - 2012.06.21 19:40:00 - [26] - Quote I did not mean to dual post
Serptimis The Fiction Factory Blue Nation 15	Posted - 2012.06.21 19:42:00 - [27] - Quote one of their ships is named after a duck, what more do you want?
Serptimis The Fiction Factory Blue Nation 15	Posted - 2012.06.21 19:43:00 - [28] - Quote I meant to dual post
Lady Skrillex Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 11	Posted - 2012.06.21 20:33:00 - [29] - Quote CALDARI IS THE BEEEESSSSSTTTTTEESSTT EVARR!
Metal Icarus xHELLonEARTHx LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 220	Posted - 2012.06.21 21:15:00 - [30] - Quote I agree, the falcon and all caldari ewar ships sucks. I even have to put ec-300's in my falcon's drone bay just to be sure.....
Radelix Cisko The Adjustment Team 97	Posted - 2012.06.21 21:40:00 - [31] - Quote I <3 my Crane I <3 my DRAEK Dunno about Merlin as she has been collecting dust for a while I really <3 my blaster Rokh Moa is still ugly but I have fond memories with it.
Akirei Scytale Test Alliance Please Ignore 1660	Posted - 2012.06.21 21:52:00 - [32] - Quote Lin-Young Borovskova wrote: Ituhata Saken wrote: Akirei Scytale wrote: Lin-Young Borovskova wrote: the best [...] drones wat. Oh come on now, we all know EC-300's are where its at. I was going to joke about how Hornet II's have been the workhorse drones in 0.0 for years but then I remembered the EC-300.... And actually those caldari drones (light) against frigs are pretty awesome because: awesome speed, tracking, range dmg application (a lot of winmatar ships are weak to kinetic) EWAR drones are nice, and every large ship should have a flight. but there are literally no other good caldari drones. there are only 2 good options for damage drones in each size class - minmatar (PvP) and gallente (PvE). TEST Alliance BEST Alliance
Kitty Bear Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Dark Matter Coalition 0	Posted - 2012.06.21 22:56:00 - [33] - Quote Hernan Johuihen wrote: Like the title said im wasting my time leveling up caldari skills? they really suck hard? xD Then your doing it wrong. Kestrel is awesome ... Caracal is awesome ... Badger is not Loooooong.
Grumpymunky Super Monkey Tribe of Danger 258	Posted - 2012.06.21 23:34:00 - [34] - Quote Lucy Ferrr wrote: The Merlin is now the best frig in the game, it has finally dethroned the rifter. ElQuirko wrote: Best T1 frigate: Incursus What is this? Buffing the other races' frigates is one thing, but making any of them better than the rifter just isn't right. If any of this is true, I'm cancelling all my subscriptions right now. Post with your monkey.
Tug McLub Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 2	Posted - 2012.06.22 00:48:00 - [35] - Quote OP.. Yup nuff said
Babbs Royal Black Watch Highlanders RISE of LEGION 1	Posted - 2012.06.22 02:29:00 - [36] - Quote Like always it boils down to skills+ship+equipment+what your fighting = success in most cases. Do you like to stand off and attack? Do you like to get in close? Do you like to be sneaky? Do you like to EW them and nickle and dime them to death make them mad? Review all the races and how they fight and then determine which race is best for you. All races get nurfed and crap. I call it flavor of the week. Since training takes forever your race can get nurfed hard, then when you keep training and got skills up and now you race is OP. Open a 2nd account and train a different race. Here is 3 good links to help you. http://eve.battleclinic.com/browse_loadouts.php http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=MissionReports http://eve-agents.com/
Suqq Madiq Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 86	Posted - 2012.06.22 02:34:00 - [37] - Quote Mira Lynne wrote: Suqq Madiq wrote: I feel awful for anybody training Caldari. Best T1 frigate: Check Best Battlecruiser: Check Best T3 Cruiser: Check Best EWAR: Check Poor, poor Caldari. How can they ever compete... Best is relative. Also, you left out the part about anything not on this list being somewhere between 'mediocre' and 'garbage' Stop whining and make your own list.
Jake Warbird Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 1448	Posted - 2012.06.22 02:39:00 - [38] - Quote Serptimis wrote: one of their ships is named after a duck, what more do you want? I think they were going more for a mythical beast,dragon look. Oh well.
ElQuirko Protus Correction Facility Inc. 766	Posted - 2012.06.22 12:31:00 - [39] - Quote Lin-Young Borovskova wrote: You don't pvp that much do you? -I mean outside of gate/station camping? Obviously you've never had a rack of medium blasters rammed up the wazooey? Just 'cause not everybody conforms to the whinematar/calamari doctrine doesn't mean those people don't PVP. CISPA - Readin' your secret corptheft mails since 2012
Grey Azorria Federation Industries 173	Posted - 2012.06.22 13:03:00 - [40] - Quote Lin-Young Borovskova wrote: ElQuirko wrote: Suqq Madiq wrote: I feel awful for anybody training Caldari. Best T1 frigate: Check Best Battlecruiser: Check Best T3 Cruiser: Check Best EWAR: Check Poor, poor Caldari. How can they ever compete... Nope. Best T1 frigate: Incursus Best Battlecruiser: Brutix Best T3 Cruiser: Proteus Best EWAR: Welp, yeah, that is ECM. You don't pvp that much do you? -I mean outside of gate/station camping? To be fair, the Incursus is an absolute beast now, and isn't the point of EVE that no one ship is best in every situation, ie. A Brutix will murderify a Drake if gets in close, but at range its the other way around. Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
Lin-Young Borovskova Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 291	Posted - 2012.06.22 13:27:00 - [41] - Quote Grey Azorria wrote: To be fair, the Incursus is an absolute beast now, and isn't the point of EVE that no one ship is best in every situation, ie. A Brutix will murderify a Drake if gets in close, but at range its the other way around. Incursus is a hell of a ship now? yes! So is Merlin now Atron is the fastest frigate around? -probably yes but Caldary counterpart is not bad neither And about Brutix murdify Drake well, I'm mainly trained Gallente and flow those for a very long time and can effectively say a gank Brutix vs Hams Drake Brutix will finish in space dust. Drake has already double EHP and HAM's are nothing to lol about when it comes to BC size. When next Drake chances come out, and IF those are the ones announced, expect Drake to become next FOTOM BC in every possible way (+5% ROF and missile speed means a +33% -/+ for EM-TH-EX dmg type and a +25% ROF with HAM's) This doesn't mean Brutix has no chance in game vs Drake, all depends how skilled and experienced pilots in are, but chances the Drake pilots kills a few Brutixes before it dies are higher than the other way around for obvious reasons. Again, everything that doesn't involve gank static and defenceless industrials, gate or station camping, you're better off with caldari than Gallente. Gallente has 1 Taloscane, that is everything you want but a gallente ship, it's more of a minmatar one with hybrids. Caladari has Drake and Naga, the first being known and over known for being good at all you can do with, and the second being known as being the best sniper of all tier 3 BC's. (I think this is debatable vs Minmatar counter part) Anyway whatever perception we can have about what Eve pvp is about or not, every race has good ships for a certain purpose except Gallente that are still stuck in station/gate camping and maybe certain WH's with bonus. But they also have excellent ships every fleet wants or likes, Recons and Interceptors mainly. So at the end OP is not going wrong training Calamari but if he chooses Gallente he's not going wrong neither, he will just limit a little bit he's gaming possibilities until ships revamp is completed. brb
Rico Minali Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension 809	Posted - 2012.06.22 13:35:00 - [42] - Quote ElQuirko wrote: Suqq Madiq wrote: I feel awful for anybody training Caldari. Best T1 frigate: Check Best Battlecruiser: Check Best T3 Cruiser: Check Best EWAR: Check Poor, poor Caldari. How can they ever compete... Nope. Best T1 frigate: Incursus Best Battlecruiser: Brutix Best T3 Cruiser: Proteus Best EWAR: Welp, yeah, that is ECM. OK. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks 1812	Posted - 2012.06.22 13:54:00 - [43] - Quote There are some good Caldari ships. A few off the top of my head: Merlin Hookbill Manticore Blackbird Falcon Drake Tengu Rokh (underrated brick of death) Scorpion The downsides of training Caldari: Missile skills don't crosstrain the way gunnery skills do. Sharpshooter applies to three major weapon systems, while Warhead Upgrades applies to just missiles. This makes your training time when you jump to a new race that much longer. Caldari also use hybrids (see Merlin and Rokh in that list) which means you'll need to double up on weapons training just to make use of all their ships. That's not as bad as it sounds, as hybrid training would at least prepare you for expanding to gallente ships more quickly. Overall, the time to shift between Caldari and any other race is just longer than others. If you start with Minmatar with shield tanks, it's easy to switch to Caldari hybrid ships and then train for missiles to fill in. Amarr and Gallente are both armor tanking turret platforms that benefit from solid drone skills, and an armor Minmatar skillset can transition to either of them easily as well. Basically, you can expect to spend as much as an extra month making the switch, depending on your skill level. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you.
Tevar Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2012.06.22 14:22:00 - [44] - Quote In every other game I've ever played I concerned myself completely with min/maxing... In eve I kind a feel like... well sure he has an AK/47 and all I have is this knife but, he has no idea Im behind him and I've got a clear shot at his exposed neck... so... wtf does that matter...

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