It was frantic because we felt others doing this was imminent. Leaks etc. It's one thing to have a very controlled profit taking with a handful of people It's quite another for EVE at large to figure things out and dogpile. One is healthy for the game, the other is not.

Uh...this is a game.

Do you "police" yourself when you play "Uno"?

What if your first hand is all Draw Fours and Skips? Do you call misdeal out of fairness to your competition?

What if this happens a hundred thousand times in a row. Were you an exploiter then?

In this case, you were not the dealer. =)

CCP has now gone and nuked a ton of assets on our accounts. Meaning, we are losing wealth we had previous to this. Wow. But the message is clear. If you want to abuse something, you do not report it. As someone who tried to work with CCP, my advice to anyone in the future is. Don't.

If that's what they were doing, we wouldn't be up in arms. They are not just doing that. They are removing assets that the Goon Economics team had prior to this situation that had nothing to do with our demonstration of the poorly designed FW change.

Please understand -- if this was just rolling back the 5 trillion, we'd be fine. It's beyond that.

one must ask what a world we have wrought when white hats are shat upon.

Let me tell you what happens when you file a bug report: nothing. Some people abuse the system for a year, and then they deal with it after "too many" people find out about it.

If only a few people know about it and exploit it it is no problem. Once the general population is aware of it, then it becomes a problem and then the exploiters have to find the next bug.

True they never took away all the motherships that Bob/some others exploited out of the those events before they sacked all those player gms either did they.

Because CCP chose an immediately hostile stance. They indicated very quickly they intended to interfere in the sandgox. So people naturally replied with arguments against that stance. Note, I have not once bashed them.

They want to make it "CCP vs goons" so that CCP can win eve for them. Not like the GD whiners can beat us up otherwise.

It was working as intended until ... well, we can see what happened. Then it became unintended.

I wouldn't really call 5T a fire. More like a BIC lighter.

If you read what the people who were involved actually posted, they aren't upset about losing the ISK they made from the alleged FW exploit, they're upset that CCP went at it in the most hamfisted way and just nuked everything that looked like it MIGHT have come from the LP store, regardless how it was acquired.

Next time somebody does something like this they would be stupid to let ccp know in any manner. That's my takeaway from this :)

The only problem is, it's not a bug. The individual parts are working exactly as intended.CCP have confirmed that there was no bug, or exploit, or flaw etc. No rules were broken.

I don't really want to say just yet, but basically if you know you're using a system in a certain way in order to gain massive resources, whether you're taking advantage of a design flaw or not and whether we classify it as an exploit or not we're still well within our rights to fix the glitch. I'm not going to comment on what we do or don't do at this point because I don't prejudge the results of investigations.

You know we won't comment on individual items on this forum and we welcome you to do the same.

Some LP was seized from people who were abusing, and I do mean abusing, this mechanic in order to prevent a crash of the FW markets. It will stay that way until Monday at the earliest.

Nothing that's been printed by any news source is in any way accurate and any numbers that have been printed were made up by these "journalists".

I find it disturbing that you think you could exploit a system to print money and crash markets and we'd just be like "Oh haha those cards".

We haven't punished anyone to date. We haven't even decided if we will but boy howdy are we well within our rights to do so and I'm just astounded that I even have to explain that.

Abusing a programming issue is still abuse and you know this. The rest will be in the blog rather than invented at the keyboards of forum posters and bloggers.

He speaks, brave Oison
of the interview that CCP PR
didst give, lo these many hours ago.

Which Sreegs didst smite mightily
with an ironshod devhammer.

Ditto.

Me.

Xhagen had no access to any information and is not involved in the investigative process. You can basically use any article written about this thus far for toilet paper as anything contained within the articles is fantasy invented by the bloggers writing the articles.

I don't really want to say just yet, but basically if you know you're using a system in a certain way in order to gain massive resources, whether you're taking advantage of a design flaw or not and whether we classify it as an exploit or not we're still well within our rights to fix the glitch. I'm not going to comment on what we do or don't do at this point because I don't prejudge the results of investigations.

You know we won't comment on individual items on this forum and we welcome you to do the same.

Some LP was seized from people who were abusing, and I do mean abusing, this mechanic in order to prevent a crash of the FW markets. It will stay that way until Monday at the earliest.

Nothing that's been printed by any news source is in any way accurate and any numbers that have been printed were made up by these "journalists".

I find it disturbing that you think you could exploit a system to print money and crash markets and we'd just be like "Oh haha those cards".

We haven't punished anyone to date. We haven't even decided if we will but boy howdy are we well within our rights to do so and I'm just astounded that I even have to explain that.

Abusing a programming issue is still abuse and you know this. The rest will be in the blog rather than invented at the keyboards of forum posters and bloggers.

It was reported, multiple times, while it was on sisi. CCP released it anyways.

I find it disturbing that you think you could exploit a system to print money and crash markets and we'd just be like "Oh haha those cards".

We haven't punished anyone to date. We haven't even decided if we will but boy howdy are we well within our rights to do so and I'm just astounded that I even have to explain that.

Lots of pointless unpoints.
Design issue, not a programming issue, if we're pedantic.

So in other words, since the other examples I've provided weren't punished (and we could add tracking titans to that mix as well, since titans weren't designed to shoot f.ex daredevils, yet design issues with the tracking algorithm opens up for this), the ticket is to exploit design issues silently.

Gotcha.

If they hadn't shown CCP the extend to which it could be taken, then chances are CCP would've done just like they did with the ferrogel duplication case, let it sit in the game for years while everyone else used the game mechanic to its fullest extent.

gush.
ok let me put it simple...
Every time you make a change to the system, you have to do some sort of desing. The design could be small or a broad design depending on the change required. Sometimes it required a complete new redesign of a system.
Would you agree that you cannot have good design and have bugs since the design has to be implemented every time you make a change to the code? If yes, then all of the above posted by you is incorrect.
If no then "you" obviously dont do design everytime you implemente code, so its viable to bugs/features/run time errors etc.
PS: by "you" i did not target you but this is a generalisation. Dont take it personal

This sounds more like a "I can't counter the insurance fraud, PI and PA cases where game mechanics were used in exactly the same fashion, so I'm going to ignore those points until he give up. Failing that, I'm going to make an ad hominem attack and hope he gives up." post than a victory post, to me.

By all means, do. It seems everyone wants to ignore the fact that happened, along with PI, PA and tracking titans.

Does have a point. Its not like this is the first time something like this has happened.

You know someone's completely lost when they start to abuse the word "fail" in this manner.

I don't think you understand how a discussion works.