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5econdary Target
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.01.01 11:23:00 -
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Hi,
as EFT doesnt tell you how fits work in practice I have a question that might can be awsnered by people who have flown both fits:
1st:
highs: 7 x Arbi Cruise + STB
mids: standart T2 tank
lows: 3 x faction BCS + T2 PDS
against:
7 x T2 Cruise + STB
mids: standart T2 tank
3 x faction BCS + T2 CPU
Is the higher RoF worth/workable the lesser tank. I use only T1 cruise missiles on my standart fit ( 1st ) and have all relevant skills on lvl5.
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Liang Nuren
The Lollypop Factory
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Posted - 2010.01.01 11:33:00 -
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 Originally by: 5econdary Target
Hi,
as EFT doesnt tell you how fits work in practice I have a question that might can be awsnered by people who have flown both fits:
1st:
highs: 7 x Arbi Cruise + STB
mids: standart T2 tank
lows: 3 x faction BCS + T2 PDS
against:
7 x T2 Cruise + STB
mids: standart T2 tank
3 x faction BCS + T2 CPU
Is the higher RoF worth/workable the lesser tank. I use only T1 cruise missiles on my standart fit ( 1st ) and have all relevant skills on lvl5.
T2 cruise wipes the floor with arbalest because of the spec skill only applying to T2. And that's before you factor in T2 missiles - which make it just not a fair competition. :)
BTW, what's your "standard tank" - because I generally don't have any problems with CPU? This is the direction I'd take a CNR:
[Raven Navy Issue, Mission CNR]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Signal Amplifier II
Caldari Navy X-Large Shield Booster
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Photon Scattering Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Target Painter II
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Devastator Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Devastator Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Devastator Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Devastator Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Devastator Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Devastator Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Devastator Fury Cruise Missile
Small Tractor Beam I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Warrior II x5
Bouncer II x3
In fact, it won't be long before I have *exactly* this ship. Again.
-Liang
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uinuja
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Posted - 2010.01.01 11:33:00 -
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Doesn't arbalest and t2 cruisers have the same rof? I think T2 launchers are good only if you plan on shooting t2 missiles, which on lv 4 missions is useless afaik.
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Veliria
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Posted - 2010.01.01 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: uinuja
Doesn't arbalest and t2 cruisers have the same rof? I think T2 launchers are good only if you plan on shooting t2 missiles, which on lv 4 missions is useless afaik.
T2 Cruise Missile Launchers get an additional bonus from the Cruise Missile Specialization skill, Arbalest launchers do not.
Also, T2 Fury Missiles blow Arbalest Launcher out of the water altogether.
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wdqdqwdq
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Posted - 2010.01.03 11:46:00 -
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Hi Liang
I have been following your Raven builds religiously as they closely mirror my own.
Using your exact set up (Save for I use DG) I am getting 716 DPS in EFT.
This seems low.. I have Cruise Spec IV, all other relevants to IV or V.
What DPS do you get with (presumably) maxed skills.
Also, is the Painter absolutely essential for a cruise CNR? I posted this build in corp and got laughed at.
Thanks
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.01.03 12:05:00 -
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Painter is certainly useful. And for lvl 5 skills, just use lvl 5 profile? Implants get it higher, but you are still using weapons with 200km range, they wont get the same raw dps as torps get.
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Liang Nuren
The Lollypop Factory
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Posted - 2010.01.03 20:30:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 03/01/2010 20:31:56
Originally by: wdqdqwdq
716 DPS ... This seems low.. I have Cruise Spec IV, all other relevants to IV or V.
I'm seeing about 916 DPS when including reload time if you use 3 Bouncers and 5 Warriors. 5% hardwirings takes it up to 996 DPS.
Quote:
Also, is the Painter absolutely essential for a cruise CNR?
Yeah, it helps you actually apply the damage.
Quote:
I posted this build in corp and got laughed at.
Yeah, I have been laughed at too for it. Hell, the first time I posted it on Eve-O I got laughed at, and on Battleclinic it's rated as a negatively scored fit last I looked. 
-Liang
Ed: You pretty much have the entire missile DPS out of the thing btw. It may "seem" low, but its 700 DPS of whatever damage type you choose.
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wdqdqwdq
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Posted - 2010.01.04 08:32:00 -
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Awesome- so not massively far off now; I have run this exact fit and seen impressive results, also swapping in sentries and using T2 targeter a definite boost.
Will post later with some precise data.
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Nina Treml
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Posted - 2010.01.04 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
[a lot of blablabla...] then:
In fact, it won't be long before I have *exactly* this ship. Again.
fail...
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Dors Venabily
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Posted - 2010.01.04 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: wdqdqwdq
Hi Liang
I have been following your Raven builds religiously as they closely mirror my own.
Using your exact set up (Save for I use DG) I am getting 716 DPS in EFT.
This seems low.. I have Cruise Spec IV, all other relevants to IV or V.
What DPS do you get with (presumably) maxed skills.
Also, is the Painter absolutely essential for a cruise CNR? I posted this build in corp and got laughed at.
Thanks
Folks on the forums are like lemmings unless somehting has been said 100 times it sucks.
Same with some corps.
I use exactly same fit for over year now more like 18 months. 1 Difference I use CN cruise launchers. And i have 1 rigor 1 flare 1 cafe rigs but wanted to change it to 2 rigor flare combo never got to it. Works really nice tanks good has great locking range and can shoot out to it. Painter for small stuff with lights to help kill frigs. I would consider painter more essential over whatever you would put in that midslot.
PS to your corpies that laughed. They have no clue what they talk a bout. As 3/4s of ppl in this forum to be honest bashing perfectly feasible setups just based on something that they've read somewhere and never flew the ship.
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Captn Charisma
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Posted - 2010.01.05 10:19:00 -
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Amen.. I am kicking so much ass with this atm that i barely even need to use shield booster, even considered running one less hardener. On some stuff i can snipe from 100kms plus and my shields stay at 100% while i rack in millions in bounties :)
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