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XV8 Broadside
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Posted - 2010.01.02 17:20:00 -
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i recently joined a mining corporation (not saying who). sadly, it has had war declared on it by a few people, some wanting money and others for reasons i don't know. my job in the corp is mainly to mine, sometimes i provide security against NPC pirates (or rats), and when needed, i haul. but now i cant even leave the Hq without standing the risk of being shot at. i know i could just leave the corp, but i like it. nice friendly atmosphere, helpful members and everything!
so, my question being. what the heck do i do? 
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Krinthe
Gallente
Lords of Awesome
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Posted - 2010.01.02 17:33:00 -
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Short and sweet dude...Your in a Corp. by choice. Either leave or do what the Corp. Leader tells you to do and if that is staying within the confines of your Corps little bubble, then thats what ya do.
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yani dumyat
Minmatar
Pixie Cats
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Posted - 2010.01.02 18:19:00 -
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Wardecking small empire indy corps is a staple job for pirates, like mission farming might be for carebears, so if that's the sort of corp you want to be in then you need to learn how to deal with them. It's not so hard once you've done it before.
Talk to your CEO and directors, they should have some kind of plan.
Never pay ransoms, it only encourages others to war deck you.
Never give away easy kills or expensive module drops as you will essentially be funding their war deck against you and any wardeck that pays for itself is worth keeping open.
Learn how to insta undock - make bookmarks a few hundred km directly out from the station undock point and insta warp to them to prevent being tackled when you undock.
Talk to the pirates to find out what they want, it's usually either money and/or pvp experience for their pilots. The money bit is easy, simply don't give them any and they will go away but the pvp bit is harder.
You can either sit in station and take up market trading till they go away or learn to pvp yourselves which imo is a good thing to experience, i've seen indy corps become friends with the pirates and end up becoming their regular ship suppliers because of the banter while pvping.
Assuming your corp know nothing of pvp start out in noob ships and have your corpmates blow each other up, this will teach people how to warp their pod out. Making an exit tab on your overview with nothing but planets and stargates on it is a method that has saved many pods, select a celestial and spam the warp to button in the selected item box just before your ship blows up.
Someone in your corp will have a locator agent, use them to hunt down pirates that are not with the main gang and use cheaply fit T1 frigs to attack them, make sure to use griffins and crucifiers (think that's what the amarr ewar frig's called) to help protect your gang and combine them with the tackle and dps of rifters, merlins etc.
Remember that high sec war = isk war. If you can kill one or two T2 cruisers then you can loose a ton of T1 frigs and still be costing them money, just try not to fill them with T2 and bling.
Just my 2 isk, hope it helps.
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Liang Nuren
The Lollypop Factory
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Posted - 2010.01.02 19:19:00 -
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 Originally by: yani dumyat
Never pay ransoms, it only encourages others to war deck you.
I'd like to point out that this is false. What it encourages is the pirates to leave you alone. Its not like there's some "pirate channel" saying "Wardec corp XXXXXX because they pay ransoms!!!!".
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The money bit is easy, simply don't give them any and they will go away but the pvp bit is harder.
IME, they really don't. Its not like wars are expensive.
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You can either sit in station and take up market trading till they go away or learn to pvp yourselves which imo is a good thing to experience, i've seen indy corps become friends with the pirates and end up becoming their regular ship suppliers because of the banter while pvping.
Finally. Something true. :)
-Liang
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Dragonmede
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Posted - 2010.01.02 19:57:00 -
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Really it is up to your Corp Leader, because ultimately it is their Corp.
If you can live with the directives of the leadership then do so, if not take your employment elsewhere. A Corp is a business arrangement that provides certain benefits to it's members. If it does not provide, or is incapable of providing, then you are only hurting yourself by being a part of it. Quite often Corps are formed by players who in all seriousness have no business doing so. They lack the qualities and insights which are the foundation of a successful Corp. There are many ways in which a group of friends can hang together and mine as a Corp, and yet deter such aggressions.
My favorite way to make it rather expensive for WarDecs is to use Alts to form "front companies" which are basically disposable. Each player has the ability of having 2 alts, and each alt can form it's own Corp. A group of 20 "friends" therefore can have access to upwards of 40 "DBA - Doing Business As..." front companies to retreat to and continue operations. It's a shell game wherein to Wardec you it cost ISK for them each time you switch. The Drawback to the scheme is not being able to maintain a reputable Corp Name or Logo, until the group can stand and fight instead of contantly running.
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Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis
THE SPACE P0LICE
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Posted - 2010.01.03 08:14:00 -
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* Take up fighting
* Go AFK, play market games or play on alts
* Leave the corp
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robert surtees
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Posted - 2010.01.03 18:50:00 -
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Leave Imperial Commonwealth and tell Joe to get lost.
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Kestrix
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Posted - 2010.01.04 06:23:00 -
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Or suggest to your CEO to think about joining/creat an Alliance, that will at the very least cost your attackers more isk to sustain the war.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Undivided
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Posted - 2010.01.04 07:08:00 -
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If fighting is not a viable option, learn to EVADE.
Suddenly Ninjas, my old corp, went through asinine amounts of wardecs from targets with superior numbers and firepower. They survived by evading targets. Insta-undock bookmarks, switching stations, and sometimes moving a few jumps away if entirely necessary...Use scouts, pay attention, and be smart. Most empire wardeccers are ****ing terrible at catching a target that tries to run rather than fight.
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Zzander Solus
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Posted - 2010.01.04 16:55:00 -
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Ideally your ceo should have thought ahead and made arrangements for the corp members to have access to jump clones. But, if not, you can set up your own. See Estel Arador (ingame) about setting up jump clones yourself. Quit your current corp, join Estel Arador's, and then get some jump clones set up in another region. Then you can rejoin your buddies and have an escape plan for war decs. If your corp has several alternate systems set up, then it shouldn't be too difficult to maintain operations when one system is hot from a war dec. If the wardeccing corp finds your alternate systems too easily, then you probably have a spy in your corp. If you have a pos set up somewhere, then you will have to be creative about refueling it.
Another option, if your corp is wealthy enough, is to hire a pvp corp to war dec the pirate corp and fight them off.
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Zzander Solus
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Posted - 2010.01.04 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: XV8 Broadside
i recently joined a mining corporation (not saying who). sadly, it has had war declared on it by a few people, some wanting money and others for reasons i don't know. my job in the corp is mainly to mine, sometimes i provide security against NPC pirates (or rats), and when needed, i haul. but now i cant even leave the Hq without standing the risk of being shot at. i know i could just leave the corp, but i like it. nice friendly atmosphere, helpful members and everything!
If your corp is operating entirely out of its posted hq--that is just begging trouble. Thats the first place a wardeccing pirate corp will look and camp for your members.
so, my question being. what the heck do i do?
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Droog 1
Black Rise Inbreds
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Posted - 2010.01.04 17:43:00 -
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Leave the Corp. There are lots of corps that like to mine and also know how to deal with War Decs.
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XV8 Broadside
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Posted - 2010.01.04 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Droog 1
Leave the Corp. There are lots of corps that like to mine and also know how to deal with War Decs.
sadly, i'm a bit of a coward when it comes to fighting, hence me being a miner. |
yani dumyat
Minmatar
Pixie Cats
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Posted - 2010.01.05 02:21:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: yani dumyat
Never pay ransoms, it only encourages others to war deck you.
I'd like to point out that this is false. What it encourages is the pirates to leave you alone. Its not like there's some "pirate channel" saying "Wardec corp XXXXXX because they pay ransoms!!!!".
Because when someone ransoms a few ships and a freighter before getting paid a fat wad of isk to end the war they never ever mention it to their mates, ever.
I'll concede that most (not all) pirates will end the dec if you pay the ransom but if your aim is to make isk then there's only so much effort you're going to put in to decking people who can shift corps, evade camps and cause losses with sudden T1 frig blobs.
Any pirate would much rather have a corp pay the ransom than use one of the many tactics available to evade their wardec.
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Lexa Hellfury
Incura
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.01.05 07:13:00 -
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Originally by: robert surtees
Leave Imperial Commonwealth and tell Joe to get lost.
I was thinking it could be HELM Alliance. Those guys are the most inept smacktalking carebears I've ever seen.
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Commander Cross
Costolle Military Assistance Corporation
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Posted - 2010.01.10 03:57:00 -
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Depending on the Type of Dec, and who is doing the Decing a Mercenary corp can relieve some of the Pressure by engaging and fighting the High Sec Pirates/Greifers looking for ransoms or easy kills against Indie's occasionally they like a good fight but normally a Mercenary corp can make it not only not profitable, but not fun for them either. This of course costs isk though...downside if the corp is small :)
C-MAC is currently recruiting PVP pilots for FW/Mercenary contracts in High/Low and Null sec.
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Renagaide Tempest
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Posted - 2010.01.10 05:39:00 -
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go play an alt for 3 months
when you come back you might be ceo
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.01.10 08:30:00 -
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Move to quiet systems, there keep an eye on local and do not get ganked. Haul your ores with alts to hubs where you sell them. Or all hop to another corp.
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I'd like to point out that this is false. What it encourages is the pirates to leave you alone. Its not like there's some "pirate channel" saying "Wardec corp XXXXXX because they pay ransoms!!!!".
Thats crap, if you pay a wardeccing corp the ransom you might as well close your corp, it is over after you do that. Example is someone i knew who had a small corp to help new players getting started. Obviously the target for our high sec pvp'ers, so he got wardecced, he stupidly payed them to stop it, i think it doesnt take a rocket scientist to know what happens next. Some tell their friends about, they tell also wardec them, get payed, they tell their friends, etc, end result was that corp was closed since there was no way he could pay all those ransoms, and they kept wardeccing his corp.
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NanoiaBR
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.01.10 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: Renagaide Tempest
go play an alt for 3 months
when you come back you might be ceo
This is probably the most likely scenario if your corp leader is as incompetent as he looks. I suggest that you read eve-pirate (google it) to learn what NOT to do, in the very least.
Good luck!
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Scatim Helicon
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2010.01.10 14:37:00 -
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step one: get all your corp members into rifters
step two: own everything
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Liz Laser
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.01.10 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
I'd like to point out that this is false. What it encourages is the pirates to leave you alone. Its not like there's some "pirate channel" saying "Wardec corp XXXXXX because they pay ransoms!!!!".
Most likely, every person in the dec'd corp and the decing corp will know a ransom was paid.
Considering the number of alts in this game, it should be entirely expected that a ransom will lead to more wardecs.
When someone sees a CEO pocket 400 million isk 23 hours after declaring a war, you don't think it occurs to everyone in both corps that they can duplicate the feat?
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Killer Gandry
Caldari
Red Horizon Inc
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Posted - 2010.01.11 04:41:00 -
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Well my tip is pretty simple actually.
Learn to fight back but by setting yor own terms.
Don't engage in playing fields your opponent sets, they will beat you. Just create a playing field you control more or completely.
Have fitted ships in more than one station and in more than one system. That way you have more choice of stations to head to and switch ships.
Let them come to you, don't go looking for them because then your on their turf and they can switch ships to get the advantage. Fight from your own home where you have ship choices. Have an alt sit outside with a shipscanner fitted so you can even look at their fittings. Heck you can even prevent them from seeing you locked them to scan em.
Don't start smacktalking in local, it feeds most of them with joy to see you go all emo in local. Instead have some cheerfull banthers with people.
Heck we have good relationships with a load of people we have had wars with in the passt.
Don't cough up any dough. It lowrs the respect and thus increases chances of getting hit more.
Just look at the wardec as yet another learning curve in the game. But keep on smiling and remember that when you log off your real wallet ain't filled with millions of ISK and your car is still a car and not a spaceship.
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Sir Fourhead
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.01.11 05:09:00 -
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Originally by: Scatim Helicon
step one: get all your corp members into rifters
step two: own everything
This man speaks the truth.
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