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Amira Lal
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Posted - 2010.01.03 09:25:00 -
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Edited by: Amira Lal on 03/01/2010 09:29:55
For a few years of playing Eve I've been convinced that Eve was a PvP game, and read this on the forums numerous times.
However recently I've been doing alot of reading, it turns out that Eve isn't all about PvP as some would like to believe.
Now I've alts that Mine, Mission and PvP. But I've had this mind-set for too long.
Eve is Choice. Pilots can choose to Mission, choose to be Industrial and choose to PvP.
Someone pointed me to these pages:
About Eve Online
CCP's Eve Page
Sad thing is, that it was a 2 month old pilot would throw me in this direction.
Intelligent little S***. (well maybe not, in 0.0 and getting podded)
Oh and I've said it before on here That Eve is PvP.
Now after this said, it probably won't stop me from deccing Industrial Corps or Podding pilots in Alliance space.
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Maya Silverman
Universal Mayhem
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Posted - 2010.01.03 09:59:00 -
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What the hell is the point of this topic?
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Carmine Terriv
Caldari
Rage of Inferno
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Posted - 2010.01.03 10:00:00 -
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Its like this:
1) Gravity exists.
2) There is PVP in Eve.
See?
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Amira Lal
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Posted - 2010.01.03 10:19:00 -
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 Originally by: Maya Silverman
What the hell is the point of this topic?
Point is that for years I've been, like most, "Eve is PvP" through my own ignorance, but Eve isn't.
I'm trying to point out that if I've been so ignorant, then other pilots have been worse. There are many that will still state the facts wrong. It comes as no surprise, that new players find it hard to start out. I've tried many times to get my hubby to play and failed, (he hates pvping, bald git)
post isn't intended to whine carebear style either.
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Empire Dweller
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2010.01.03 10:39:00 -
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But, but, but...
IS BACON STILL DELICIOUS?
*runs to the fridge to check*
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Kher'Aleer
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.01.03 10:47:00 -
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Do I get you wrong, or are you saying that PvP is only about the pew pew?
And that EvE is not only about the pew pew?
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Amira Lal
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Posted - 2010.01.03 10:48:00 -
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Originally by: Empire Dweller
But, but, but...
IS BACON STILL DELICIOUS?
*runs to the fridge to check*
Fact:
Bacon always Delicious.
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Amira Lal
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Posted - 2010.01.03 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: Kher'Aleer
Do I get you wrong, or are you saying that PvP is only about the pew pew?
And that EvE is not only about the pew pew?
Eve is about choice.
CAN'T take my pew pew, I love my pew pew, like the Delicious Bacon.
You know, like that feeling you get when text is screaming in local, just as their pods about to go bye byes.
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Noun Verber
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.01.03 11:06:00 -
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So, when you sell the ore that you mine, you aren't competing with another player for the sale?
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Darthewok
Perkone
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Posted - 2010.01.03 11:41:00 -
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Eve is a Lego set you build whatever you want out of.
Uncreative people find EVE boring as it doesn't tell you what to do.
Creative people can find EVE endlessly fascinating as you can really do some cool stuff that no one has before.
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Droog 1
Black Rise Inbreds
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Posted - 2010.01.03 12:23:00 -
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Eve is a pvpppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp game. |
Hamano Walker
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Posted - 2010.01.03 12:43:00 -
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Eve is 99% PVP.
PVP is not just blowing people up at gate cmaps or suicide ganking Hulks.
Every time you sell something on the market, you are going PVP against every other seller of the same item.
Every time you buy something, you are going PVP against all the other buyers.
Every NPC cargo you haul is one that someone else can't.
Every asteroid you mine is denied to another player. Admittedly, there aren't so many miners that all of highsec gets depleted daily but the possibility exists.
Every time you reprocess mission loot, you're taking money away from mineral sellers.
Every time you find an exploration site you make it despawn before anyone else can use it.
Every time you spend your mission money you're injecting a small amount of money into the economy that wasn't there before, which lowers (by an admittedly negligible amount) the value of isk for everyone.
And everyone else does it to you. Right now. All the time. Forever.
The high end of market PVP can be worth far more in up and down swings than any single fleet engagement. Sometimes the types of PVP above flood over into the more obvious type where ships make flashy lights and funny sounds until someone turns into a flying egg. Just remember, losing your ship and being podded are still only economic losses. They're very flashy, heart racing losses but in the end they're just iskies out of your wallet.
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Amira Lal
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Posted - 2010.01.03 15:22:00 -
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Hamano Walker
Since you put it that way, I stand corrected, tho give a old gal a break, not as young as I used to be (42 n proud) Well I'll be sticking to Eve, more fun than SecondLife 
I love my pew pew, like the Delicious Bacon.
You know, like that feeling you get when text is screaming in local, just as their pods about to go bye byes. |
Shak'Rah
Gallente
The Unforgettables
Talos Coalition
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Posted - 2010.01.03 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: Hamano Walker
Every time you spend your mission money you're injecting a small amount of money into the economy that wasn't there before, which lowers (by an admittedly negligible amount) the value of isk for everyone.
i agree with everything else you said but this little bit is wrong. ccp has stated that there is only a fixed amount of isk in eve (hell if i can remember where they said it), though a lot of it still remains in the hands of npc's. all those market items that sell for 89 days? all npc's stuff you're buying. all the money gets circulated around, much like real-world currency.
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Posted - 2010.01.03 23:30:00 -
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EVE has no PVE that is worth mentioning hence it must be a PVP game.
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Chana Kor
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.01.04 02:29:00 -
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Originally by: Shak'Rah
Originally by: Hamano Walker
Every time you spend your mission money you're injecting a small amount of money into the economy that wasn't there before, which lowers (by an admittedly negligible amount) the value of isk for everyone.
i agree with everything else you said but this little bit is wrong. ccp has stated that there is only a fixed amount of isk in eve (hell if i can remember where they said it), though a lot of it still remains in the hands of npc's. all those market items that sell for 89 days? all npc's stuff you're buying. all the money gets circulated around, much like real-world currency.
While there may be a lot of ISK in the hands of NPCs, surely more and more of it is getting into the hands of players. When the Caldari Navy pays me to go kill some of Sansha's minions, the payout seems to come from an ISK fountain - unless you're right and the Navy has some bank account somewhere. In that case, where do they get the income to balance their losses to mission payouts? They can't be selling enough faction gear to pay all the mission runners. For that matter, what about Sansha's Nation - how do the scattered remnants of a stellar nation recoup their staggering losses to hordes of missioners and ratters?
You may argue that the State pays the Navy out of taxes on its citizens or something, but that's irrelevant - NPC corps like the Navy are still putting more ISK into the player economy than they take out.
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SomebodyKickedMyDog
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Posted - 2010.01.12 20:56:00 -
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Edited by: SomebodyKickedMyDog on 12/01/2010 20:56:44
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KaiserSoze434
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Posted - 2010.01.13 01:23:00 -
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With all due respect to an OP that actually attempts to put together an argument intelligently, said argument is completely asinine. There is no region of EVE where a player cannot be legitimately pvp'd, by design. If you are mining, you are playing VS other miners for the best price as well as against other players who might pay the cost to shoot you. Trade and you're playing VS other players involved in trade. The same goes for ALL activities in EVE and they all come back to traditional style pvp. Your argument is essentially "EVE is choice, not pvp. You can choose to do all kinds of other things while other players try to best or stop you, within a system in which every task is driven by pvp interaction.".
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Toldain
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Posted - 2010.01.13 01:33:00 -
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The issue isn't that all Eve PvE is boring or whatever. There's plenty of PvE things you can do that, I assure you, aren't boring. At least not to me. But interest comes from my engagement with content, not the content itself.
For example, killing rats is boring. However, trying to figure out how to kill rats more efficiently is not boring. Learn all the types, the spawns mechanics, play around with different ships and different fits. Use a stopwatch to figure out what goes faster. Not boring.
Mission running might be boring, but then figuring out who to run missions for, and which level missions to run for them, in which ships, training which skills with which implants? Not boring.
Flying a mission on AP might be boring. So don't use orbit or approach at all. Find optimal range and angle. Kite the mission. Try to ECM tank. Again, not boring.
PvP is the same way. Squaring off in a no-movement battleship slugfest is maybe exciting the first few times, but eventually boring. Hunting someone, or being hunted is definitely not boring.
While it's true that PVP touches almost every aspect of gameplay in someway, it's also true that PvE touches almost every aspect of gameplay as well. Pirates have to rat for money and secstatus, yes?
I'd characterize the "thing" about EVE as asymmetric conflict. Depending on one's goals players do different things, fly different ships, go different places and use different strategies. Hulkageddon might be fun for some, but those same people will pay higher prices for ships because of it. Asymmetric conflict.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Undivided
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Posted - 2010.01.13 02:16:00 -
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I think OP is confusing combat PVP and all PVP.
EVE isn't all combat PVP, but it is (almost) all PVP.
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Belkadan
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Posted - 2010.01.13 17:56:00 -
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And how does that make you feel?
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