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Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor
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Posted - 2010.01.04 03:18:00 -
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Considering T2 production was changed to balance out moon materials with Dominion, I think a look at the salvage rates for Sleeper Salvage needs to be visited. Right now, all T3 production is priced primarily by the cost of Melted Nanoribbons. For instance, 22 are needed to build a T3 hull, and they run about 7mil a piece. 22*7mil = 154mil. A typical T3 cruiser hull sells for around 200-220 or in some cases a bit higher. Regardless, one salvage component is at least 50%, if not more, of the total cost of the cruiser. This is also the most expensive component in all of the subsystems.
I understand the idea behind the cost of T3 production should be high and the risk involved with WH's does increase the cost, but it seems marketwise the majority of the cost is determined by one salvage item.
Now there are a few possibilities for this.
One, is that the demand for one item is higher for this one piece of salvage than the others. However, this couldn't be true because you assume level salvage rates or salvage rates based on the possible amount used, you wouldn't get a large number of other salvage items and a few melted nanoribbons. This is one possibility that the salvage rates are not correct or at least logical and need to be fixed. This seems to be the case if we assume that items used more would be salvaged more and ones used less, less. This does seem to be the case for almost all salvage since many of the items you need 1-2 of, you don't get that often but you don't need that many so it's not an issue. However, with Melted Nanoribbons there are far fewer seen than needed.
Another is the logic for salvage rates is not equal or based on the amount needed by production but is based on the class of wormhole you are salvaging from. This would allow higher demand salvage to come from Class 5 and 6 like C320 and C540, and the prices would reflect that. This would explain why we see lots of some salvage (easier to get in Class 1 and 2) and not much of others. However, the market seems to show 2 items that have relatively higher prices (melted nanoribbons being one) but melted nanoribbons far exceed any price of other salvage.
Perhaps there is another reason all together but I see these as the main possibilities.
What I would like to see is that the logic behind salvage drop rates better explained, thus the market conditions could be better explained or a fix in the amount of salvage needed for each T3 item, OR a change to the drop rates.
If CCP explains the logic, at least vaguely, it would be nice. However, a fix that balances the amount of salvage one gets from Sleepers thus allowing several items to move better with supply and demand, would be best from my perspective. Obviously the effects to the market would have to be analyzed so that the price of T3 items stays relatively stable as changes to the salvage rates would take effect.
Any other thoughts are appreciated.
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Grarr Wrexx
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Posted - 2010.01.04 16:53:00 -
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Without even reading your post, I'll tell you that CCP doesn't regulate prices. Take it up with the people who are selling.
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Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor
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Posted - 2010.01.04 17:20:00 -
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 Originally by: Grarr Wrexx
Without even reading your post, I'll tell you that CCP doesn't regulate prices. Take it up with the people who are selling.
You are missing the point, probably because you didn't read my post. It's a game mechanic problem, not a market one.
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T'ealk O'Neil
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Posted - 2010.01.04 17:48:00 -
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The problem is not so much the drop rate (I had loads in the last WH I went in) - it is the number of people doing WHs. Getting stuck in a WH with no decent exit for days is what puts most people off.
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Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor
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Posted - 2010.01.04 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: T'ealk O'Neil
The problem is not so much the drop rate (I had loads in the last WH I went in) - it is the number of people doing WHs. Getting stuck in a WH with no decent exit for days is what puts most people off.
What class WH were you in? I'm working in a 2, sometimes 3.
However, the number of people doing them would suggest that salvage would be more common but melted nanoribbons are clearly in low supply based on the price relative to others.
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Marchocias
Silent Ninja's
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Posted - 2010.01.04 19:02:00 -
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Yeah, drop rate is a bit out of whack.
At the moment when we gather up our T3 salvage, the only thing we're interested in is the number of Nanoribbons we end up with. Everything else is just fluff.
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CaptainMorgen
Failboats LLC
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Posted - 2010.01.18 23:36:00 -
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imo the drop rates seem about right... more of the price is goin to reflect the access that more corps living in WH space have to kspace markets. Id be interested to know where most of the nanoribbon supply comes from, the corps living in wspace or the ones that find a wh,, run some anoms and leave.
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XXSketchxx
Gallente
Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2010.01.18 23:46:00 -
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While I personally think drop rates should be increased even more to force T3 prices even lower, you're not taking into account a few things that also should factor into the cost of T3.
-Logistics
-POS for reverse engineering/polymer reactions/subsystem array
-gas products
-reverse engineering failures
-profit?!?!?
Just a thought...
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naed21
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Posted - 2010.01.19 02:22:00 -
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I myself living in a c5 wh, along with the rest of my corp can tell you that the drop rate of nano ribbons is just fine, its just that there isn't enough people doing wh sites, and thus the supply is low and the prices will and have refleted that. And please, if you must put blame to something, blame dominion, not the game mechanics. With the release of Dominion, all of those people who had moved to wh space due to how boring null sec became bascally all moved back.
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Merle Hausen
Caldari
Phoenix Propulsion Labs
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Posted - 2010.01.19 07:46:00 -
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I can confirm that drop rates for Nanoribbons are borked ATM. It is the only thing we really care about anymore. We have piles of the other salvage and out of Nanoribbons. Also, we have mined enough gas to date that we are not even bothering with Ladar sites anymore. If we had enough nanoribbons, that might not be the case. Our whole T3 production line is held up by Nanoribbons! Bad balancing. Nanoribbons are expensive because they are the sole bottleneck in T3 production right now. Drop rates are not fine.
Also, I wish T3 prices were higher, but I can't complain much.
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Bemoteajh
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Posted - 2010.01.19 08:33:00 -
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until recently t3 ships (and subsystem) cost more than capitals now they are a bit lower but still way overpriced this is not the fault of price gougers it is the fault of ccp the mats are not anywhere near as available as they need to be considering most would rather fly a battle ship than one and yes i have flown a t3 and bs and compaired
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PauI Muad'dib
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Posted - 2010.01.21 17:14:00 -
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Actually i'm curious about how there are so many nanoribbons in the market esp i can its a known fact that the drop rate in a class 1-2 has dropped to 1-2 pieces per 3 plexes, and most of the higher class ( 4-5-6 ) are uninhabited.
Are there any "preferred players" that get the nanoribbons supply ?
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XXSketchxx
Gallente
Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2010.01.21 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: PauI Muad'dib
n its a known fact that the drop rate in a class 1-2 has dropped to 1-2 pieces per 3 plexes
lolwhat...care to show me where this is fact?
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and most of the higher class ( 4-5-6 ) are uninhabited.
more people move in every day...and the people in those know how to farm efficiently as well
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Are there any "preferred players" that get the nanoribbons supply ?
seriuosly? lol
on a final note: random salvage is random
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr
GK inc.
Panda Team
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Posted - 2010.01.21 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: Bemoteajh
until recently t3 ships (and subsystem) cost more than capitals now they are a bit lower but still way overpriced this is not the fault of price gougers it is the fault of ccp the mats are not anywhere near as available as they need to be considering most would rather fly a battle ship than one and yes i have flown a t3 and bs and compaired
I hear punctuation is nice.
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Haxfar Portlaind
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Posted - 2010.01.21 19:16:00 -
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I do not live in a WH nor make T3, but maybe they just keep the components for themself?
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