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ALI Virgo S O L O M O N STR8NGE BREW 5	Posted - 2012.06.22 19:54:00 - [1] - Quote I was blitzing Drone Horde Cosmic Anomaly in carriers. With local up and eyes on intell channels and with team speak and in a dead end system. As I finished one of the hordes and recalled all my drones. Razer alliance shows up in overview only .. 40 plus in small waves and bubbles up. Repair models did not respond, could not refit carriers even most caps were 2 km away and or redeploy drones. Also Razer alliance not showing in local to me and my local alliance members while engaged. I was able to deploy some drones and start repairs while carrier was near Structure and was able to kill a few of them. Alliance members giving chase to pods and seeing them pass through bubbles like they were not even there. No time dilation also no lag. Just local chatter of Razer saying "good fight, thank you for not self distrusting, Honor able fight etc etc" They manged to pass through 60 km of bubbled gate in battle cruisers and t2 and few t3s.In less then a few second. I saw about 12 of them in over view before the first one popped up in local and about three seconds later forty vs one. It was more upset about not being able to fight back then losing my caps. Not being able to put a Smart bomb on from a nearby carrier not even being able to turn on modules for good 30 seconds with most hostiles within 5- 7 km away drone even closer.. With my Modules not responding I just waited and made most of the situation . Perhaps it is just a bug. Local used to display offline charters a few week ago not it seem defective or delayed. I petition the matter and I was told this morning it would not be fare to 40 players for my ship to be replaced. Even though My alliance members and screen print showed the hostiles were not in local with My capitals engaged. Does not sound fare to me. It seems value of 40 accounts out weigh the of just one person I have played eve for many years and have greatly enjoyed it but now now perhaps its time to realize the obvious and move on to other games. Ccp can restore my ships and just fix their small bugs then to respond to my petition within an hour and saying it wont be fare to 40plus players.
snake pies Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 45	Posted - 2012.06.22 19:59:00 - [2] - Quote the 40 people would not care you were reimbursed, because they still have their killmail
Trollin Drunken Traders 98	Posted - 2012.06.22 20:37:00 - [3] - Quote you should escalate your petition, incase you didn't/didn't know/haven't already We are our own worst enemy.
dumpgrah Mobile Meth Lab Monkeys STR8NGE BREW 1	Posted - 2012.06.22 21:40:00 - [4] - Quote yea this is insane that local did not show them in space how can u be active and parpared if you dont know if anyone is there that is just crazy shoud at least have a chance to defend urself or at least know how to do it!
Dinamo Lost Souls Corp STR8NGE BREW 0	Posted - 2012.06.22 21:44:00 - [5] - Quote Yes i agree. If ccp says it's not fair to the 40 players to restore the ships and fix the bug then PLZ TELL ALL EVE PLAYERS HOW THEY ARE DOING IT so we can ALL have fair fun too. Power to the player so the group may improve instead of neglecting it
sixandnine Caldari War Machine STR8NGE BREW 0	Posted - 2012.06.22 22:26:00 - [6] - Quote its ok to use exploits ehh.. if ccp cant do jack about it then its not right what happened but pay backs a *****. its ok to use exploits now cheers to all.
nineteen nineteen Mobile Meth Lab Monkeys STR8NGE BREW 0	Posted - 2012.06.22 23:24:00 - [7] - Quote There are some posts about this from a couple years back. http://massively.joystiq.com/2010/04/22/confirmed-exploit-allows-eve-players-to-sneak-up-on-unsuspecting/ Sounds very similar to this article. If this is indeed okay by CCP and not considered an exploit, they need to share on how we all need to manipulate the game so it is an even playing field. Otherwise, CCP needs to replace this guys ships, and take actions against the people using this exploit. If it's not common knowledge to the entire population of EVE, it must be an exploit. So please CCP fill us all in on how to duplicate this so that we can use it ourselves or declare it an exploit.
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance 304	Posted - 2012.06.23 15:09:00 - [8] - Quote I can guarantee you that if such an exploit does exist then the most my alliance mates could be accused of is triggering it inadvertently. It's more likely that this is a result of the same local chat issue that's being reported by many other players. But my alliance would never knowingly use an exploit in such a way. Indeed it seems we're only now becoming aware of the issue, I just got a Jabber ping about it. I agree that if this bug is indeed confirmed by CCP you should have your ships reimbursed. I would feel the same as you do if my Tengu was lost because local didn't show hostiles entering system. I would escalate the petition. Support showing T2 and faction frequency crystal damage in the info window. (Link was wrong, now fixed)
Vicata Heth EldarRiders Stainwagon. 21	Posted - 2012.06.23 15:18:00 - [9] - Quote This is no exploit on razer's part. I too am having problems with local chat as well as corp chat not showing the full list.
Sparky11080 Repercussus RAZOR Alliance 4	Posted - 2012.06.23 15:30:00 - [10] - Quote Your carrier had been scouted long before that kill had ever taken place. As far as bubbles on the gates...there were none. As far as local goes, we noticed the issue heading home when our FC stopped being able to see local all together. So if your kill was because of that, then you deserve to be reimbursed for sure. Besides, if you get reimbursed that means there's another target out there for us
Verity Sovereign Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 208	Posted - 2012.06.23 18:11:00 - [11] - Quote I can't comment on the bubble issue, but I know I haven't been showing up in local (or corp chat) today, due to issues with the chat - many in my corp haven't. I suppose I could have taken advantage of it, and I suppose Razer could have been in the same situation. They'd be faced with 2 choices: 1) stop playing until the bug is fixed 2) Play on, and deal with the problems and benefits of the bug. It was CCP's bug, but they may have opportunistically exploited it. This isn't the same as intentionally caused a bug that you can avoid - I could not avoid the bug that was preventing me from appearing or seeing local. So I'm not sure this was an exploit in the traditional sense. However, since CCP screwed up, CCP should do some restitution: ie give you back your carrier, and also give back the ships that Razer lost - as if this battle never happened, because it probably wouldn't have if it weren't for CCP's mistake.
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance 304	Posted - 2012.06.23 19:27:00 - [12] - Quote ALI Virgo wrote: Razer Vicata Heth wrote: razer's Verity Sovereign wrote: Razer Who's Razer? Anyway as I've said, reimbursement would probably be fair, but the fleet should not be punished as they were not aware of the issue and even if they were there's nothing they could have done to prevent it. Support showing T2 and faction frequency crystal damage in the info window. (Link was wrong, now fixed)
ALI Virgo S O L O M O N STR8NGE BREW 7	Posted - 2012.06.23 19:47:00 - [13] - Quote Sparky11080 You said my caps were scouted long before the kill and when you came in system with 40 ships mostly BC there were no bubbles....only if your t1 ships hurricas can ignore mobile warp fields I guess... http://i47.tinypic.com/33xbwhu.png this is pz gate. You jumped in system and were able to point my caps without showing in local.within seconds. Again it is not the loss of caps Im upset about its how you not sharing the fact of being able to ignore bubbles and not showing in local.. joking. Perhaps it is a bug.... but timing of it all and shooting a cap even when it is seems disabled and your pods being able to get away through that bubble land..... just saying
The Slayer GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 15	Posted - 2012.06.23 21:27:00 - [14] - Quote This has been reported as happening to a few people over on Reddit too, neither party was using any third party software and neither could figure out how they had made this happen : http://i.imgur.com/hIsS5.png
Raasiris Kruse Decadence. RAZOR Alliance 0	Posted - 2012.06.23 21:44:00 - [15] - Quote i can confirm the gate was bubbled, and we burned trough them. it only took about max 5 to 10 sek with my mwd scimi due to the bad arrangement of the bubbles.
Space Mitt Romney State War Academy Caldari State 2	Posted - 2012.06.23 22:53:00 - [16] - Quote CCP fixith and CCP breakith.
Vuk Lau 4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance 8	Posted - 2012.06.23 23:01:00 - [17] - Quote ALI Virgo wrote: Stuff. Your macro script was outdated. Thats the only reason your bots did not warped off when we entered local.
Kievan Arakyd MarSec Industries STR8NGE BREW 52	Posted - 2012.06.23 23:01:00 - [18] - Quote CCP, reimburse the carriers, but dont reimburse the kills, then fix local without breaking anything else. Got my Dust514 key...
Cielouranos Repercussus RAZOR Alliance 0	Posted - 2012.06.23 23:17:00 - [19] - Quote ALI Virgo wrote: You jumped in system and were able to point my caps without showing in local.within seconds. I wasn't in this fleet but there are some holes in your argument that invoke skepticism. If you couldn't see them in local, how do you know that you were pointed within seconds of them entering system? EVEN IF this is a bug and your ships were lost due to a bug, I don't think they should be replaced based on hearsay alone because that sets a terrible precedent where, as long as the bug isn't fixed, anyone can claim they couldn't see their attacker in local and get any ship lost in pvp replaced. The ships should only be replaced if you can provide screenshots of being attacked by the Razor fleet with your local chat window open and not showing them.
Vicata Heth EldarRiders Stainwagon. 22	Posted - 2012.06.24 00:05:00 - [20] - Quote Cielouranos wrote: ALI Virgo wrote: You jumped in system and were able to point my caps without showing in local.within seconds. I wasn't in this fleet but there are some holes in your argument that invoke skepticism. If you couldn't see them in local, how do you know that you were pointed within seconds of them entering system? EVEN IF this is a bug and your ships were lost due to a bug, I don't think they should be replaced based on hearsay alone because that sets a terrible precedent where, as long as the bug isn't fixed, anyone can claim they couldn't see their attacker in local and get any ship lost in pvp replaced. The ships should only be replaced if you can provide screenshots of being attacked by the Razor fleet with your local chat window open and not showing them. It stops being hearsay when multiple people reported the same issues with local not showing everyone. Screenshots shouldn't be necessary because I know I wouldn't be thinking to take screenshots during all of this, I'd be more worried about saving my ships. As far as the bubbles who knows, maybe it just seemed to go by faster than it really did, and the ships/pods made it through in normal time. But local not showing everyone is definitely something that's been experienced by multiple users, so the proof is already there. You discourage the reimbursement of the ship, yet I highly doubt you would have thought to take screenshots while all this was going on for one, and for two I'm willing to bet you'd be singing a completely different tune if it were your cap ships not getting replaced. For the record I don't know the person who lost their ships at all, never talked to them, never shot them, etc.
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance 305	Posted - 2012.06.24 00:12:00 - [21] - Quote If my ships were being shot at by a bunch of players who didn't appear in local, taking screenshots is exactly what I'd do as evidence for the petition for reimbursement. Support showing T2 and faction frequency crystal damage in the info window. (Link was wrong, now fixed)
MauseJule Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance 0	Posted - 2012.06.24 03:07:00 - [22] - Quote Sry, most of this is bullshit. I jumped in , probed the carriers down. Warped to one thana @ 10km. I saw the carriers sitting there. 5 thanatos in one blob, 1 archon 100km off. the thanatos were moving into random direction. I decloaked and tackeld "TRUTHZ" with my Rapier ( my char was jukha in this fleet). At this moment small tackle jumped in cause fleet was 2 jumps out. Small tackle needed few sec to get to me. No Reaction on the carrier. They kept moving into random direction. Small tackle landed, started to spread points. Only the Carrier that get point launched Drones after they get pointed. Fleet jumped in, burned out of bubbles and warped to us. While first carrier went into armor i moved towards the archon to point it. The archon hasn't moved/aligned/warped for at least one minute but just stayed @ 0m/sec. While killing the Carrier our Dics managed not to bubble at least one Thanatos so he could have warped off. Same with the archon, since the dic needed to warp off and back. From my point of view it looked more like a broken bot than something else. Cause the carrier did not move together to refit but moved to random direction with no celestial inline. So the carrier were at least over 20km away from each other after we killed the first thana. Also was there no focus fire from the carriers on one target as any normal guy would do but spread over the the tackle that first tackled each carrier first. Just like Bot behavior, kill the stuff that aggressed u first. Quote: Repair models did not respond Local Reps were running on all carriers during the fight. Or at least at the beginning of focusing fire on each carrier, cause all Canes had 2 neuts fitted. Quote: could not refit carriers even most caps were 2 km away and or redeploy drones. The Carrier were moving away from each other, he could not refit ... Drones were out the whole time, we have not shot them, so they were shooting us the whole time. Even if warden I an Ogre I are not the best choice to shoot frigates Quote: Alliance members giving chase to pods and seeing them pass through bubbles like they were not even there. We had one cloaked nulled Loki with us. Rest burned through the bubbles with mwd Quote: They manged to pass through 60 km of bubbled gate in battle cruisers and t2 and few t3s.In less then a few second. It's called MWD. Proper fitted PVP ships use them Quote: My alliance members and screen print showed the hostiles were not in local with My capitals engaged. Still waiting for the screenshots edit: ur fittings are bullshit. Fix your fittings and get yourself the paid Version of the bot so he also warps off instead of just sitting/moving around and also turn on your speaker so you can hear the Alert of your bot.
ALI Virgo S O L O M O N STR8NGE BREW 9	Posted - 2012.06.24 07:39:00 - [23] - Quote I dont use bots.. We talked in local remember. I fly 6 caps my screen did not show my caps drifing. i did see them getting bumped apart... I saw 5 of my cps bubbled tried to deploy drones and nothing happened.But liek you said my carriers seemed to be going in random direction and not responding I always keep my caps alligend to a pos ready to gtfo . anmd of the drones were out as you takced you would had taken some damage some logs of me missing shots ...... but there is nothing on my side.. Just a black on my logs... By the time i could control my carriers they were far apart. I was talking in fleet an alliance while as i launched drones from truthz .. i usually kill bs in 3-5 secs. but only was able to kill a few of your fleet .. Anyways does not matter its a loss on my part. If ccp is looking into the matter then perhaps a ban hammer is on the way .. just saying.. You did not show up in other peoples local as well not just mine . I did not run away or asked for help and did the best to refit my caps. that i could Screen shots are sent to ccp.. I dont have to show you any shots .. And again im not upset about losing 6 carriers. having spies would be enough for you to get intell and kills just saying and oh yeah one of your members did state he did not see bubbles in pz he scannend me dowm.. he didnt have prob launchers fitted on kill mail perhaps it was just a troll. But what is done is done. Anyways enjoy the kills Razer till next time you have not lost much just my respect :)
ALI Virgo S O L O M O N STR8NGE BREW 9	Posted - 2012.06.24 07:49:00 - [24] - Quote Sparky11080 wrote: Your carrier had been scouted long before that kill had ever taken place. As far as bubbles on the gates...there were none. As far as local goes, we noticed the issue heading home when our FC stopped being able to see local all together. So if your kill was because of that, then you deserve to be reimbursed for sure. Besides, if you get reimbursed that means there's another target out there for us
Raasiris Kruse Decadence. RAZOR Alliance 0	Posted - 2012.06.24 10:03:00 - [25] - Quote i dont see the point to lose any respect at all. spys? cmon dotlan is all u need. i dont know why one member says he didnt see bubbles, i was there and there were bubbles, bad arranged bubbles. during the fight we only lost 3 light tackle and no prober. you say you don't have to post screenshots and give no proof of your speculations. but still trying to exaggerate razor would use bugs is not the kind and honest way.
MauseJule Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance 0	Posted - 2012.06.24 15:29:00 - [26] - Quote I was scouting and I also had a Probe Launcher fitted. Dotlan showed nearly 2k kills in this system so we asumed there could be multiple ships ratting. And like i stated earlier, shouting frigssize Ships with Warden I and Ogre I is ********. Cause of speed and transversal. And yeah, we had logistics with us. You lost your stuff botting and now you try to blame CCP for this. I only tackled 1 Thana before small tackle landed, u could easely save the other 5 Carrier. And once again: no spies, no exploits. Just a little bit probing and slight use of brainz to find you faster
ALI Virgo S O L O M O N STR8NGE BREW 9	Posted - 2012.06.24 18:02:00 - [27] - Quote Why was your fleet not reported in any of intell channels. not even in x-9 connecting to pz system. We did have scouts We also had a mining ops up. Better me then brew miners any day :) Regardless I understand ...I should had fitted my caps right. Triage, remote cap and reps. I did have tanking and cap fittings in cargo for a reason. I should had focused on tank then just dps while doing hordes. Just felt safer with eyes in x-9. Perhaps I should had ran away or ejected..... Right... it was fun just wish i had killed mroe of you guys thats all Ccp does not seem to be in much of rush over this weekend to check out. my new comments on my petition. It does not state razer is cheating, or restore my implants or ships it states the local is not working properly. My ships being restored will not fix the local bug. The only thing the screen shot shows is that local is all alliance. While a bubble is out, For a certain reason I can not share that . I have started new accounts and bought some charters and placed them in razer alliance to play a game in relation to the matter. That aside... I will say My accounts are important to me ali is my real life name and so is my charters and i would never use bots or leave any of my accounts afk. I have never been caught before. If you feel i have offended you or accused of cheating... It was because I felt cheated and angry with the situation I will get over it. The way i did hordes is warping ali in archon to 0 km of the horde and warping the rest 50 km out of ali. Drones on assist to ali and ali using two target painters. one shot popping every thing. focused on dps. with defensive modules in cargo warp stabs, cloaks, and **** load of light med drones. At the end of the horde I allign my ships to safe spot and warp ali to another horde and repeat. I dont undersnatd why would you see my caps driffing apart and not reacting to you. As the horde ended I recalled my drones and lost control of my ships. i could talk in fleet and in alliace but things did not reaspomd to include fleet warp to be able to get to 3 of the drones that did not return. You finding me in that situation is perhaps bad luck or perhaps used of hack or spi on team speak. Third party hacks will not restore my ships.... or get the local bug fixed... All this could also be simply bad luck on my part . Im assuming your local worked just fine while fighting me 40 on one while mine and the people that live in pz did not.. A bug should be two sided .....Anyways what is done is done> I started this thread to get CCP attention on the matter. If i could have my way I would very much like to have local removed because i enjoy being part of sb gangs, But if we have to have local it should work fine.
MauseJule Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance 0	Posted - 2012.06.24 23:34:00 - [28] - Quote For us the Local was just fine. Nobody reported us, cause there was absolutly no one on our way to your System, so no one could report us You state again, that u couldn't do anything with your Client. Quote: if your client froze/blackscreened what ever, how does it come u could warp out your pods immediately after getting down without even get pointed by our ceptors ? For me it is still a broken Bot maybe caused through the local chat problem but still a bot. + you could drop drones and engage our tackle. everything worked besides warping off and local. And it only did not work while you were inside the carrier cause in your pod you could warp off nice and fine. what a nice coincident. just fix your bot and stop blaming CCP for your lost. You could have saved 5 of your 6 carriers if u would have played on your own.
ALI Virgo S O L O M O N STR8NGE BREW 9	Posted - 2012.06.25 07:36:00 - [29] - Quote MauseJule you must been using some exploit.. how many times have I mention i dont use bots. But you keep on and on about it.. If used a bot I would have been banned. I was able to use my drones after i was almost out of armor.. I mean you must had been using exploit to go after 6 caps. Knowing they cant fight back..You are the only one of you gang to cry about **** by saying bots were used.Anyways dude good jobs on the scout and kills be proud of your self or what ever .. it is just a game to me How ever Read my first post and so on. We had a scout in X-9 local who did not see you in local.If you did not see him then there are bugs. I know i would not try to tackle 6 caps unless ..... well just saying the timing of it all> this can be simple as us being on same grid and seeing/doing different things. The reason you cant some to that and make bullshit comments about bots makes me wonder if you were aware of some exploit or just hidding something. You tackled 6 caps yet you dont show off any video or screen prints. There is a reason you knew you can take six caps and live.And there is a reason you keep saying bots when I have never used any... anyways what is the point to this if you did not cheat just say it it is only 6 carriers..... and you think i was using bots petition it ....Or try to consider your self behind 6 carriers and loosing them in that manner and having some one say that you were using a bot and that they can scan down a system with in a second.. Or they saying ccp has no bugs that can be blamed... that aside given I deserved to loose those caps fitted like that but even with that fit I should and been able to kill at least you MauseJule just saying.
Robert Farrish Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2012.06.25 08:47:00 - [30] - Quote I don't think it was exploit really. Chats were completely broken all over the universe that day and if I could be bothered I could even find couple forum threads where people are talking about broken locals... When I logged in with my main I was missing all chat windows completely local, corp, ally, intel channels and some random channels. Clicking neocom chat icon said "no chats". I logged in my alt and he could see chats but some people were randomly missing. I relogged main and chat windows appeared but most people didn't show on lists. I had people talking in corp chat that didn't show in list. I saw about 40 people in local while we had 100+ men ally fleet there. Heck I was in one channel with my alt that could see my main on list but my main couldn't see my alt on list. You could maybe try petition it as bug (not exploit) but without screenshots CCP logs will probably show nothing.

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