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Simon Page
Page Capital
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:41:00 -
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As many of you may have read already, CCP has taken *all* of the assets and isk from the so-called "Jewbal" that participated in the FW manipulation that netted them trillions - some people have also told me that these same players were also stockpiling what was a very significant chunk of the total amount of Guidance Systems in-game. Should we be ready for Guidance Systems to skyrocket in the near future, now that there is not latent supply sitting on the sidelines waiting to be unloaded? |
David Forge
Forge Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.06.22 21:31:00 -
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I think you will find, good sir, that you are mistaken. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2012.06.22 21:40:00 -
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Somebody stuck with zillions of overpriced guidance systems spotted!
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
469
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Posted - 2012.06.22 21:57:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Somebody stuck with zillions of overpriced guidance systems spotted!
Guidance Systems are actually extremely underpriced based on the cost to make them, whether you make them from imported P2s or P1+P2s or whatever. They are merely so heavily stockpiled that they have only been very slow to rise in price. |
David Forge
Forge Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.06.23 02:09:00 -
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I was referring to the "CCP has taken *all* of the assets and isk from the so-called 'Jewbal'" bit. They haven't, have they? |
im mrmessy
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.23 06:56:00 -
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CCP didn't take 'all' of the assets. They took all of the rewards from everyone except one person who had 250Bil worth of datacores in the same hanger |
Elric Darkmoor
Council Of Internal War
The Paganism Alliance
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Posted - 2012.06.23 07:20:00 -
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im mrmessy wrote:CCP didn't take 'all' of the assets. They took all of the rewards from everyone except one person who had 250Bil worth of datacores in the same hanger
Source Please.
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Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.23 10:34:00 -
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Guidance systems aren't that much lower than Robotics these days, if prices get much higher it'll be profitable to make them. |
forestwho
Foonfleet Investment Banking
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Posted - 2012.06.23 11:18:00 -
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as soon as they go over over 35k isk pu i will dump my 40 mil guidance systems on the market  back to 10k isk pu, just for lols and because i can  |
Zarere
Team Pizza
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Posted - 2012.06.23 11:23:00 -
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Where's the souce that they got taken their assets?, i cant seem to find it. |
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Ravenclaw2kk
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.23 12:06:00 -
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Zarere wrote:Where's the souce that they got taken their assets?, i cant seem to find it.
There is no source. CCP are still trying to figure out what to do about it, if anything. We have had 1 Dev say that what they did was not an exploit and another insinuating that they will have some assets removed.
We won;t know what will happen until it actually happens, and then only if the people involved decide to announce it on the forums. |
Azushee
Tax Evader's
0
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Posted - 2012.06.23 12:30:00 -
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Ravenclaw2kk wrote:Zarere wrote:Where's the souce that they got taken their assets?, i cant seem to find it. There is no source. CCP are still trying to figure out what to do about it, if anything. We have had 1 Dev say that what they did was not an exploit and another insinuating that they will have some assets removed. We won;t know what will happen until it actually happens, and then only if the people involved decide to announce it on the forums.
Just out of curiosity... What did they Jewball actually do? :) |
Fiat Money
Perkone
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.06.23 14:03:00 -
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Ravenclaw2kk wrote:Zarere wrote:Where's the souce that they got taken their assets?, i cant seem to find it. There is no source. CCP are still trying to figure out what to do about it, if anything. We have had 1 Dev say that what they did was not an exploit and another insinuating that they will have some assets removed. We won;t know what will happen until it actually happens, and then only if the people involved decide to announce it on the forums.
UTSL ("use the source, Luke")
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1523114#post1523114 |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
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Posted - 2012.06.23 18:01:00 -
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Fiat Money wrote:Ravenclaw2kk wrote:Zarere wrote:Where's the souce that they got taken their assets?, i cant seem to find it. There is no source. CCP are still trying to figure out what to do about it, if anything. We have had 1 Dev say that what they did was not an exploit and another insinuating that they will have some assets removed. We won;t know what will happen until it actually happens, and then only if the people involved decide to announce it on the forums. UTSL ("use the source, Luke") https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1523114#post1523114Update: As long those guys don't have any acces to implants price will jump back the next days...
Implants have already jumped back as far as they're going to, even on, say, Monday, when we were still selling. We figure that mission bots were broken for a VERY long time by the unified inventory, after all, and only just started coming back.
Or did you really think that 10m per for a +3 was "natural"?
CCP no longer respects its sandbox. Thanks, Sony. |
Fiat Money
Perkone
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.06.23 19:29:00 -
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corestwo wrote:
Implants have already jumped back as far as they're going to, even on, say, Monday, when we were still selling. We figure that mission bots were broken for a VERY long time by the unified inventory, after all, and only just started coming back.
Or did you really think that 10m per for a +3 was "natural"?
Looking at the 6 month time scale, my current estimate is 8m for +3, 18m for +4 and 100 for +5. That values have been roughly constant over last years with periodic fluctuations due to speculation.
Several items didn't even touch that value after the dip and have enough room to increase in price. Memory Augmentation - Standard is a good example for that.
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
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Posted - 2012.06.23 19:46:00 -
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Fiat Money wrote:corestwo wrote:
Implants have already jumped back as far as they're going to, even on, say, Monday, when we were still selling. We figure that mission bots were broken for a VERY long time by the unified inventory, after all, and only just started coming back.
Or did you really think that 10m per for a +3 was "natural"?
Looking at the 6 month time scale, my current estimate is 8m for +3, 18m for +4 and 100 for +5. That values have been roughly constant over last years with periodic fluctuations due to speculation. Several items didn't even touch that value after the dip and have enough room to increase in price. Memory Augmentation - Standard is a good example for that.
"What I sell my wares at when I'm cycling implants" is not the same as "average price over the past six months" you know. I just took a look at the charts myself and with the exception of hte april/may spike (due to broken bots), the prices you listed are, without fail, peaks of cycles.
Now lets look at reality.
Int
+3: 8m
+4: 17.5m
+5: 100m
Mem
+3: 7.8m
+4: 17m
+5: 100m
Will
+3: 8.25m
+4: 17.5m
+5: 101m
Per
+3: 7.8m
+4: 17.5m
+5: 98.7m
Cha
+3: 7.8m
+4: 17.9m
+5: 100m
So as you can see, implants are doing quite well. In fact, cycles over the past six months would suggest that they will go down, as historically they are at or near their peaks! Of course, with players speculating following the removal of our assets, that may not be the case.
While I'll freely admit we dumped on them, hard, we did that to get the cash needed to keep things running and knew that they'd bounce back anyway, just as they have. We are, after all, responsible market manipulators.
Besides, given how often your name appeared in our market logs when we were dumping, you really don't have anything to complain about. You made a fortune off us, unless you panicked and dumped what we dumped to you.
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Castagar
On your Left you will See Mars
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Posted - 2012.06.23 21:06:00 -
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Jewbalocaust ???
I know it's very trendy and highly fashionable to hate Jews and Israel amongst the trendy young things .. The Hard Left has certainly done it's work on it's empty vessels. You're also known as 'Useful fuckin idiots'.
This however, is going way too far. You ought to be ashamed of saying that.
How about :
PoofoCaust
MuslimoCaust .. or
Fat Post SexOpoCaust ?????????? Or do those buttons not chime in with your preset fuckin belief system that's been served to you?
Surprised CCP hasn't clamped down on this sh*t but OFC they're 'trendy young things' too. Just have to follow the trends eh? Review your policies now or I'll collate all the vile anti-semitic crap that I've seen on the forums regarding Jews and truly go to town on exposing your forum rules.
Lock this CCP and make a public statement.
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David Forge
Forge Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.06.23 22:14:00 -
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Not sure if troll or uninformed conservative... |
Fiat Money
Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.23 22:21:00 -
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corestwo wrote:Besides, given how often your name appeared in our market logs when we were dumping, you really don't have anything to complain about. You made a fortune off us, unless you panicked and dumped what we dumped to you.
Nothing to complain so far...  |
Steelshine
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
72
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Posted - 2012.06.24 08:07:00 -
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Castagar wrote:Jewbalocaust ???
I know it's very trendy and highly fashionable to hate Jews and Israel amongst the trendy young things .. The Hard Left has certainly done it's work on it's empty vessels. You're also known as 'Useful fuckin idiots'.
This however, is going way too far. You ought to be ashamed of saying that.
How about :
PoofoCaust
MuslimoCaust .. or
Fat Post SexOpoCaust ?????????? Or do those buttons not chime in with your preset fuckin belief system that's been served to you?
Lock this CCP and make a public statement.
but its so much better to hate on gays and muslims instead?
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Rhivre
TarNec
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Posted - 2012.06.24 11:19:00 -
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Steelshine wrote:
but its so much better to hate on gays and muslims instead?
o7m8
I think the point was that you would never use those other phrases, and yet, the one in the OP is perfectly fine (allegedly) |
David Forge
Forge Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.06.24 15:44:00 -
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If any reasonable person thought for a moment that the intent of the name was to defame the Jewish heritage then the objection would make sense, obviously it is not. It makes reference to a silly stereotype that, in times past, was quite real and we know today that it was born out ignorant racism. Since we all know that we can have a bit of fun with it while recognizing that we would all swiftly subdue anybody that dared try to make such claims as if they were fact. |
15th Century Portrait
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.24 16:17:00 -
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David Forge wrote:If any reasonable person thought for a moment that the intent of the name was to defame the Jewish heritage then the objection would make sense, obviously it is not. It makes reference to a silly stereotype that, in times past, was quite real and we know today that it was born out ignorant racism. Since we all know that we can have a bit of fun with it while recognizing that we would all swiftly subdue anybody that dared try to make such claims as if they were fact.
Your argument comes down to "it's okay as long as you're joking." You seemed to have missed an important point: how do you tell the difference? Next you'll be telling us you're wearing blackface as social commentary on the plight of African American actors during the early 20th century.
its racist and offensive for a number of reasons, not least among them that it trivializes the Holocaust. The Holocaust is not a joke, or part of a joke, or something to be joked about. You're not assuming the mantle of righteousness by being antisemitic. You're just being antisemitic in a particularly ignorant and clueless manner.
Since CCP can't seem to bring itself to end the antisemitism on their boards and in their game, I'm taking other action. I have now contacted the Antidefamation League (http://www.adl.org/) and I encourage all of you who feel the same to do so as well. Perhaps they can help begin a dialogue with CCP. |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
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Posted - 2012.06.24 17:00:00 -
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15th Century Portrait wrote:David Forge wrote:If any reasonable person thought for a moment that the intent of the name was to defame the Jewish heritage then the objection would make sense, obviously it is not. It makes reference to a silly stereotype that, in times past, was quite real and we know today that it was born out ignorant racism. Since we all know that we can have a bit of fun with it while recognizing that we would all swiftly subdue anybody that dared try to make such claims as if they were fact. Your argument comes down to "it's okay as long as you're joking." You seemed to have missed an important point: how do you tell the difference? Next you'll be telling us you're wearing blackface as social commentary on the plight of African American actors during the early 20th century. its racist and offensive for a number of reasons, not least among them that it trivializes the Holocaust. The Holocaust is not a joke, or part of a joke, or something to be joked about. You're not assuming the mantle of righteousness by being antisemitic. You're just being antisemitic in a particularly ignorant and clueless manner. Since CCP can't seem to bring itself to end the antisemitism on their boards and in their game, I'm taking other action. I have now contacted the Antidefamation League (http://www.adl.org/) and I encourage all of you who feel the same to do so as well. Perhaps they can help begin a dialogue with CCP.
I don't know who your main is, but you're a fantastic gimmick account. I just want you to know that.
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David Forge
Forge Enterprises
115
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Posted - 2012.06.24 17:41:00 -
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15th Century Portrait wrote:Ignorance blah blah I have no sense of humor blah blah
I think if you want to crush free speech (because this is you very well know not hate speech) you would be best to start with these particularly egregious offenders: Woody Allen, Mel Brooks, Billy Crystal, Gilbert Gottfried, Al Franken, Adam Sandler, Ben Stiller, Jerry Seinfeld, etc. Silly rabbit...
Anyway, about 'dem Guidance Systems? |
Rhivre
TarNec
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Posted - 2012.06.24 18:50:00 -
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David Forge wrote:15th Century Portrait wrote:Ignorance blah blah I have no sense of humor blah blah I think if you want to crush free speech (because this is you very well know not hate speech) you would be best to start with these particularly egregious offenders: Woody Allen, Mel Brooks, Billy Crystal, Gilbert Gottfried, Al Franken, Adam Sandler, Ben Stiller, Jerry Seinfeld, etc. Silly rabbit... Anyway, about 'dem Guidance Systems?
"everyone else is doing it, so I should too"?
And use of Jewish people making jokes to say that it is ok is just as valid as using the derogatory term for black people, and then saying "Well, they call each other it, so it is perfectly fine"
And, of course, I don't have a sense of humour, this is well known, it is rumoured I lost mine in the playground around the age of 6.
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David Forge
Forge Enterprises
115
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Posted - 2012.06.24 18:56:00 -
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I don't want to get too tied down in this, we are completely off topic. But to make it short if it's okay for them then yes it's okay for us. Everyone knows that nothing is meant by this but some fun, it's not meant to be offensive and if someone interprets it as offensive it is that person's problem. One person's behavior should not be warped to fit another person's feelings. I for one am offended at the notion that certain groups of people are allowed to say certain things while other groups are not allowed to say exactly the same thing. However, I will have to live with that offense and let other people think what they want to think, I won't force them to act in accordance with how I feel.
What happened to all those "I don't believe in what you have to say but I will defend your right to say it" people? |
Frillo Teslar
2plus2isfive
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2012.06.24 19:49:00 -
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Exploitocaust.. also why the hell would you say, hi ccp we know this is shady but there is a hole in your setup.. A swedish guy did that after making a few millions aon trading stocks and was promptly arrested and sentenced 12 years or something, just for being too clever for the system. |
Simon Page
Page Capital
Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.06.24 20:02:00 -
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Maybe take the barely-on-topic posting to the numerous General Discussion threads on the actual exploit itself? |
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
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Posted - 2012.06.25 05:40:00 -
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Im Jewish as a matter of fact I was raised orthadox, and I didn't find anything offensive, as a matter of fact iv read it 3 times, still nothing.
I believe, there are some, out there that are a wee bit to sensitive about useless ****, like Smoking anti black racism Holocaust etc.
Indeed, making fun of human misery is not funny, productive or useful, ever, I just don't go into spaz out mode every time I see something that resembles a hate crime from the past, while some, just think about hate, yhe you know what im talking about.
And yes, im going to have to size with Vaerah, this is a manipulation attempt, classic but gone totally, horribly wrong. |
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