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Eden Escrow	Posted - 2010.01.06 18:17:00 - [1] The CEO of our corp got an eve mail today demanding that our corp pay out 40,000,000 to somebody named XXX (Not the persons real name) and that if we do not, then they will basically make our lives hell and war'dec our corp. The letter comes from a player that is one day old, and states that they won't divulge who their real corp is, and who is in it because it might jeopardize their security. The whole thing stinks like a scam to me, little things like not sending the eve mail from their real corp member so that we can see that they are thousand members strong and can really back up the letter, and telling us that they will wardec us once the "resources" are free to do so, indicating to me that there are many other corps that also refuse to pay so they have whatever attack force they might have tied up fighting other corps that also refuse to pay. Now, we know for fact that paying them off is NEVER the thing to do as all that does is signal them that you have 40 million isk laying around to throw at any john, **** or harry just for the asking and that when paid once, they would continue to keep asking for more. Plus it takes a lot of our puny ships to be destroyed to equal 40 million isk, it's not like we have hulks or anything like that floating around. We're pretty much small time corp. We're just curious if this is a known old scam that goes around the game every few days/weeks/months/years or what?
Ki Tarra Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2010.01.06 18:22:00 - [2] Edited by: Ki Tarra on 06/01/2010 18:25:28 Originally by: Eden Escrow Now, we know for fact that paying them off is NEVER the thing to do as all that does is signal them that you have 40 million isk laying around to throw at any john, ** or harry just for the asking and that when paid once, they would continue to keep asking for more. Sounds like you got the whole thing figured out just right. Just ignore him. If he does follow through on the threat, here is a guide to dealing with war dec's. Originally by:** Eden Escrow They won't divulge who their real corp is, and who is in it because it might jeopardize their security. If they won't divulge who they really are because they are worried about their security, how do they expect anyone to fear them enough to worry about a war dec from them.
NightF0x Gallente Intergalactic League of Terrorists	Posted - 2010.01.06 18:27:00 - [3] Call their bluff if you want or if 40mil is pocket change then give it to them. It's your CEO's call to decide if the risk is worth it or not. ------------------------------------
Forranz Malice. Tentative Nature	Posted - 2010.01.06 18:42:00 - [4] I doubt he would stop with 40mil. "Give me 40mil or I pound you" "Ok." "Give me another 40+ mil or I pound you" "Ok" Stand up to teh bully.
Elena Laskova	Posted - 2010.01.06 18:45:00 - [5] That guide left ut the best tactic for blackmail via warDec: put alts into all roles in the current Corp; make a new Corp; if you're actually warDecced, move everyone and everything to the new Corp and keep playing as though the warDeccing losers didn't exist. You can treat your current situation as an opportunity to become effective at this. Reminder: you have no obligation to tell your enemies the truth. If this is actually a bunch of warDec griefers, rather than a scammer, your goal is probably to waste as much of their time as possible, while continuing to play as normal. To this end, you might fill the old corp with alts with very similar names (replace L's for 1's etc), sacrifice a few frigates, and complain bitterly about being stuck in stations unable to play, threaten to report them to CCP for griefing etc. Being stuck outside a station with nothing to shoot at is exactly as much fun as being stuck inside a station unable to explore, mission, or mine /lol.
Mal Lokrano Gallente Delve Inc.	Posted - 2010.01.06 18:55:00 - [6] I say ignore them, if they do dec you fly around in newbie/cheap ships and try to swarm them, could be great inexpensive fun. Plus, it would be invaluable in learning how to pvp, which is essential in Eve. ____________________________________________ When going to a party with wine, women, and song. Always ascertain the vintage of the first two.
Ezekeil Rage Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2010.01.06 19:08:00 - [7] Originally by: Eden Escrow ...telling us that they will wardec us once the "resources" are free to do so... I know I'm new, but sounds like, "Pay us so we have enough resources to wardec you".
Elena Laskova	Posted - 2010.01.06 19:20:00 - [8] If you're actually warDecced, don't expect any meaningful combat. Most likely, you'll face invulnerable targets which are remote repped. HighSec warDec blackmailers are serious contenders for the title of the lowest of EvE's multitude of lowlifes. Assume the worst of them - if you're real gamers, the worst you can imagine is still far too generous.
Lady Spank Amarr Sekret Kool Klubb	Posted - 2010.01.06 19:39:00 - [9] This is a common tactic of morons who can't fight worth a crap. Just ignore them, or send them counter threats. They will do this as a routine versus new corps or players hoping for easy isk. It's really quite laughable. If they DO actually wardec you then there are ways to avoid them, ask about that when it happens for more detail but essentially don't hold up your entire operation in one station and be prepared to roam about a bit, at least for a short while. ~
Zzander Solus	Posted - 2010.01.06 23:08:00 - [10] Originally by: Mal Lokrano I say ignore them, if they do dec you fly around in newbie/cheap ships and try to swarm them, could be great inexpensive fun. Plus, it would be invaluable in learning how to pvp, which is essential in Eve. This. It costs a lot of isk to initiate and maintain a wardec. The bill has to be paid by the aggressor every week or the wardec automatically ends, unless your corp makes the wardec mutual by 'deccing them back. About every corp that has a few members gets wardecced at some time or another. Unless you liked giving the school bully your lunch money, ignore them. If it actually does turn into a wardec then take it in stride. He won't get much respect from other pirates if all his kills are cheap frigs with cheap fittings.
Eden Escrow	Posted - 2010.01.07 01:13:00 - [11] Originally by: Zzander Solus Unless you liked giving the school bully your lunch money, ignore them. While I would love to send a message back to them, I've learned by our last wardec that talking smack back only provokes the attackers further. But boy howdy, how I would love to send them a message back letting them know that we don't give up our "lunch money" to anybody. The more that I think about this, the more I get the impression that it's a whole lot easier to simply send out this type of eve mail to dozens of corporations every day and take the free isk that some corp ceo's will undoubtedly pay up, rather than actually wardec any corps that won't pay up, since that ties up both isk and manpower to maintain for any great length of time. I think the bit about "when resources becomes available" now that I think more on the subject is there way of intimidating the corps by saying "you will never know when we will wardec you, it could be 3 days from now, or it could be 3 weeks from now, so we'll just keep you living in fear for eternity worrying that we're going to wardec you". Yeah the more I think about it, that's more along the lines of what that tied up resources line seems to me. Thanks for the advice everybody.
Taross Caldari People with Guns Initiative Mercenaries	Posted - 2010.01.07 01:23:00 - [12] "When resources become available" would mean, at least if the alt mailing you IS actually connected to an empire wardeccing corp. when they have one of their three wardeccing slots free. other people already gave all the good advice, and you seemed to have the right idea to begin with, so I'll just clear up this little detail and leave it at that. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie
ThaDollaGenerale The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.01.07 02:55:00 - [13] Quote: That guide leaves out the best tactic for blackmail via warDec: put alts into all roles in the current Corp; make a new Corp; if you're actually warDecced, move everyone and everything to the new Corp and keep playing as though the warDeccing losers didn't exist. Jumping corp for the express reason of avoiding a dec is petitionable. Plus, be an adult and deal with your problems. Don't run away.
Junko Togawa Caldari	Posted - 2010.01.07 03:12:00 - [14] Originally by: Elena Laskova If you're actually warDecced, don't expect any meaningful combat. Most likely, you'll face invulnerable targets which are remote repped. HighSec warDec blackmailers are serious contenders for the title of the lowest of EvE's multitude of lowlifes. Assume the worst of them - if you're real gamers, the worst you can imagine is still far too generous. This. If you do fight, don't let it be on their terms. Blob up. Bring as much ECM as you can. Don't fight on gates or stations, force them away from being able to instahide their neutral RR alts. Fit out cheap fleets and don't be shy to throw them at the enemy like beef in a meatgrinder. In short, deny them any easy kills, and any expensive ones. Try and make them the losers in the ISK war. Make the war as un-fun for them as humanly possible. If they don't have fun, they're gonna look for easier prey.
Junko Togawa Caldari	Posted - 2010.01.07 03:28:00 - [15] Originally by: ThaDollaGenerale Quote: That guide leaves out the best tactic for blackmail via warDec: put alts into all roles in the current Corp; make a new Corp; if you're actually warDecced, move everyone and everything to the new Corp and keep playing as though the warDeccing losers didn't exist. Jumping corp for the express reason of avoiding a dec is petitionable. Plus, be an adult and deal with your problems. Don't run away. So is losing your 5B ISK superpwnmobile to a stupid mistake in a mission. Doesn't mean CCP is going to do anything about it. Bottom Line: They can never 100% completely and totally prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that leaving a corp is evading a wardec. Therefore it is NOT a bannable offense. This lie is perpetrated by people who want to force you to stay and get shot and support that style of gameplay. You are completely free to leave and disband your corp on a whim. They are completely free to wardec any corp you found/join after. You are free to repeat this cycle ad nauseam. Ain't life grand?
Elena Laskova	Posted - 2010.01.07 08:21:00 - [16] This isn't correct: Originally by: ThaDollaGenerale Jumping corp for the express reason of avoiding a dec is petitionable. Plus, be an adult and deal with your problems. Don't run away. You have to consider some details, but jumping to a new Corp is allowed. Tyere was a thread some time in the last 2 weeks with links to quotes from CCP about this. OP: The quote above could be an honest mistake. But this is EvE: you wll receive advice from people who want you to make errors, or would find it amusing if your Corp self-destructed during a small war. Remember rule 1: Don't trust anybody ever. Think about any advice, and test it or verify it before comitting the Corp to anything.
Junko Togawa Caldari	Posted - 2010.01.07 08:38:00 - [17] Originally by: Elena Laskova Remember rule 1: Don't trust anybody ever. This. Cultivate some paranoia, learn the laws of the land and how they can be used both for and against you. Assess all your endeavors based on what you stand to lose vs. what you stand to gain. Learn to use the Powah of the Alt Side of the Farce. It's sure as **** there are plenty out there using it against you.
oolk	Posted - 2010.01.07 18:17:00 - [18] Get your corpmates prepared; I annoying thing if they dont want to fight,have them plant a JC in the 4 corners of eve,move them every day,have fun locally. But its a tactic that require a base sum of iskies 9implants for clones,ships to play in there)
Baka Lakadaka Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2010.01.08 04:15:00 - [19] Originally by: ThaDollaGenerale Jumping corp for the express reason of avoiding a dec is petitionable. Plus, be an adult and deal with your problems. Don't run away. Everything is petitionable, including complaining to CCP that my mouse ate my keyboard, but it's not an exploit if that's what you mean. You can petition anything, but it only fills up the queues and makes it slow for everyone else. Paraphrasing a GM's response (to comply with the rules) on this question: "Anyone can leave a corp at any time. Some people issue war-decs with the express aim of causing everyone to leave the corp - this is a legitimate game tactic". And another response "Causing the break-up of a corp and creation of another causes significant disruption to standings, office rentals, POS structures as well as expenses incurred - this isn't an exploit" The only exploit to do with hopping to avoid war decs is when a corporation joins an alliance on being war-dec'd and then leaves the alliance immediately. This has the effect of transferring the war-dec to the alliance and the corp's war-dec expires in 24 hours instead of the usual 7 days. Even this is debated and the worst I've ever heard is a corporation getting a warning for doing so. The second part of your statement - about not running away, I totally agree with. It's not an exploit, but it is a little on the lame side to move everyone into a new corp. ______________________ Agony Unleashed Home of the PvP University.

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