Thank you for thread 24 on this very topic. Your opinion is highly valued and deserves to be singled out.

Also, I find all of this hilarious. I can't wait until the goonspiracy of August/September.

What about July?

even if CCP didnt jump all over it like a catalyst on a untanked hulk lol

This might be the best part of your post.

if only ccp was as fast as a ganker who's on the ball they might have patched the hole huh?

i think that them (CCP) being shown that the code was in error was usefull. But at the same time i think the 5 masterminds went a little too far. They made a point then went above and beyond that which one could call "exploiting"

I blame hi sec for the sandbox being nerfed.

Uh huh. Right.

So ban them all and give stuff to the 1000s or whatever of people who bought things from them (at lower prices too, since more supply reduces prices), right?

Uh huh. Right.

So ban them all and give stuff to the 1000s or whatever of people who bought things from them (at lower prices too, since more supply reduces prices), right?

i wasnt saying that. Im not anti goon.

All i was saying that the 5 guys could have made a point to CCP, that the game was broken and still made money off it. They didnt have to go 1 trillion each, thats less of making a point and more of cashing in while they could. Ireckon if they just did something like 20b each then told CCP with proof then it would be over and they'd probabl;y get to keep the change

again im not anti goon, dont read what i say in that light lol

Eve was and is a sandbox style game. It's CCP job to make sure the sand stays clean, the box remains the proper size and the players behave themselves.

CCP always condoned metagaming, betrayals, smart players finding loopholes and underhanded tactics. They didn't approve of such things, they tolerated it as a price to pay for the sandbox game. They were always busy fine-tuning mechanics and bringing more fairness.

However, at some point in time CCP discovered that all that nasty, unfair and metagaming stuff made for good PR. A betrayal made blog story, and a pyramid scheme would make the news.

In an attempt to leverage this PR advantage, CCP put themselves in a position of public encouragement of bsuch behaviour instead of tolerating it. That was a stupid. If you are the public responsible and final arbiter of 'fairness' in a game, you should not advocate cheating. If you do, you get stupid stuff like the last Alliance Tournament. People will try to cheat to win, but if you at least appear not to tolerate it, then players will at least be careful about it, and not flaunt it openly like that botched AT final.

Just imagine what would happen with IRL sports games. In such games victoriesare bought and sold too, referees and players are bribed, rules are applied inconsistently, etc. etc. But in no case do you see chairman of such an organization actually encouraging players to find the maximum way to cheat, lie and metagame that the rules allow. That would be insanely stupid, even if the chairman is highly aware of what is going on. Because if they do, everyone will cheat openly, and the illusion of fairness will disappear. Fairness is not an issue for a game, but the illusion of fairness is.

CCP needs to project the illusion that they are doing their utmost to keep the sandbox fair and discourage cheating metagaming behaviour without actually changing the game so that you can't cheat anymore. That's the only way to keep the illusion going. Leave the PR to players who secretly leak fantastic stories.

i wasnt saying that. Im not anti goon.

All i was saying that the 5 guys could have made a point to CCP, that the game was broken and still made money off it. They didnt have to go 1 trillion each, thats less of making a point and more of cashing in while they could. Ireckon if they just did something like 20b each then told CCP with proof then it would be over and they'd probabl;y get to keep the change

again im not anti goon, dont read what i say in that light lol

So using intended, but shoddy, game mechanics is fine until you make a certain amount of money (and nobody knows what that amount is) but if you make any more than that you get it all taken away?

That's rather like saying 'we're not going to put up speed limit signs on this badly maintained road but if you drive too fast we're going to impound and crush your car'.

(it is A Car Analogy)

I blame hi sec for the sandbox being nerfed.

Stopped reading as soon as he started crapping about RL Sports... This isn't real life... Stop it....

What about July?

OP makes a good point. It's like the police of today - no way could Britain's police force stand up to a riot by all 70 million of our citizens, but the individual's fear of being caught makes the "thin brown streak" appear omniscient and omnipresent to all. They are just people, but the uniform and the illusion makes them invincible in our eyes. CCP needs to be the dreaded arbitrators again, not these jesters who poke fun at their own size and encourage Goonies to **** in the sandbox.

No he doesn't he's ********.

What the guys (The Goon members) did, as I said in the other thread, is similar to finding the re-spawn rate of officers and farming them for a couple weeks.While farming the officer spawns, they tell CCP about this and the public says they think they can figure it out but CCP does nothing. Then, the guys who found the officer spawn rate tell everyone how they did it, and CCP gets mad.

This is what it's like. It's not similar to anything in RL because we're playing a video game.

your analogy is terrible.

mlyp