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Ashera Yune
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2012.06.23 22:56:00 -
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With how extremely common these ships are and how they obsolete many ships i believe these ships need to be readjusted.
Both the Drake and Hurricane are simply too good, they need must readjusted to make players use other ships.
The Myrmidon and Harbinger will remain as they are. They will retain their dronebays due to their racial philosophy.
Drake:
-removal of resistance bonus
-30% EHP reduction
-Removal of dronebay
-1 Midslot
+50% sig radius
Hurricane:
-30% EHP reduction
-Removal of Drone bay
-1 Midslot
+50% sig radius
This will bring the 2 battlecruisers on par with their fellow racial counterparts.
The Drake will be a long range missile ship while the Hurricane will be a gank support ship.
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Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant
41
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Posted - 2012.06.23 23:47:00 -
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notsureifsrs |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
311
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Posted - 2012.06.23 23:56:00 -
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Seems CCP decided to balance cruisers and battlecruisers next winter so, just wait a "little" bit.
Start dreamin about Brutixes able to fit full rack of 250's and actually do some dmg ot Deimos actually become a decent HAC.
I said start dreaming heh, don't push it too far 
brb |
Belthazor4011
De Bank
29
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Posted - 2012.06.24 00:04:00 -
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Eternal Error wrote:notsureifsrs
CanGÇÖt be, the suggestions can only be a troll. Well its Saturday, maybe just drunk
Either way I'll just add that I'll use my Myrm vs a Drake or Cane any time. The only one lacking a bit although I still like the ship is the Harby.
Also the Drake is already undergoing chances and will lose its resist bonus in a patch no too long from now. It will be replaced with an ROF bonus aka more DPS less tank.
Also a Drake and a Shield cane already have a signature of medium sized planet no need to add to that.
That and removal of drone bay makes them easy prey to frigs. It be a huge gimp that will make these ships almost useless in PVE and PVP.
And donGÇÖt even get me started about the midslot...
Seriously go to bed and sober up and apologize for your post in the morning when you are clear headed again. |
Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
70
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Posted - 2012.06.24 00:40:00 -
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Eternal Error wrote:notsureifsrs
+1
Amat victoria curam. |
Forum Clone 77777
State War Academy
Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2012.06.24 00:41:00 -
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OP is troll or massive nobrainer.
The "suggestions" are so out of whack, they dont even make sense. |
Armeggeda iscariah
Ganja Labs
Exodus.
15
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Posted - 2012.06.24 02:18:00 -
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omg another "Zomg the drake and cane are overpowered please nerf because i dont have a ******* brain to know how to counter this ship" thread. Congrats you ******* scrub CCP made Tiers for a reason. and the reason is The tiers that are ABOVE the lower tiers are BETTER in certain areas then their previous version. OMG what a ******* concept. Idiot.
Drake isnt OP. if you know how to kite a drake's missiles properly its dps is utterly worthless. and dont even get me started on how worthless those perma mwd **** drakes are. ( I can hide behind my brick tank while i throw pebbles at you and get insta blaped by tracking dreads/titans because im to ******** to turn off My mwd to reduce my planet sized sig.)
Nano shield and arty Canes have been replaced by the talos and nado's. only canes ive seen lately are armor canes and they arent really OP.
The cyclone with the new boosters makes them ******* awsome throw away ships for solo.
If any BC needs a boost its the proph , if your going by how "under used and underpowered it is"but it doesnt really need a boost because its basicly one of the cheapest and most tanky bait cyno's in game.
TLDR every ship has a situational use in this game. and if you cant find a use your a ******* idiot.
Also your a ******* scrub that doesnt know **** about these ships or PvP in general.
--------------------------------------He who dares , wins. |
Marcus Ichiro
Kif Korp
44
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Posted - 2012.06.24 02:30:00 -
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So the Hurricane is OP yet the Myrmidon isn't?
Oh wow. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise
Against ALL Authorities
139
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Posted - 2012.06.24 03:44:00 -
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Marcus Ichiro wrote:So the Hurricane is OP yet the Myrmidon isn't?
Oh wow.
Mryms are a hell of a lot easier to out run.
People get butthurt over the cane because its pretty farking fast, you used to need a HAC or cruiser to outrun them/keep one pinned down.
Now we have Tier 3s and don't have that issue.
People are still whining about canes? I rarely see them, Oracles, Naga and Tornadoes are usually the roaming hulls, with a side of drake army......as our main FC put it in a mail, "we fly drake yo".
I hate drakes lol |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
311
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Posted - 2012.06.24 05:20:00 -
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Onictus wrote:Marcus Ichiro wrote:So the Hurricane is OP yet the Myrmidon isn't?
Oh wow. Mryms are a hell of a lot easier to out run. People get butthurt over the cane because its pretty farking fast, you used to need a HAC or cruiser to outrun them/keep one pinned down. Now we have Tier 3s and don't have that issue. People are still whining about canes? I rarely see them, Oracles, Naga and Tornadoes are usually the roaming hulls, with a side of drake army......as our main FC put it in a mail, "we fly drake yo". I hate drakes lol
But those are so nice, can't wait for that +5 resist to get removed and get a rof/speed missile instead. Now that will be a very good stuff
brb |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
89
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Posted - 2012.06.24 05:30:00 -
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Belthazor4011 wrote:That and removal of drone bay makes them easy prey to frigs. It be a huge gimp that will make these ships almost useless in PVE and PVP.
If you use missiles you don't need drones. Killing frigs in PVE just takes awhile but it works.
Cane with 425s track spider drones just fine with good skills. Again no need for drones for PVE. |
Kalel Nimrott
Wishful Desires Inc.
Armada Assail
13
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Posted - 2012.06.24 05:56:00 -
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Didn't we already have one of those "Nerf the Drake!" post this month? |
Mira Lynne
State War Academy
Caldari State
84
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Posted - 2012.06.24 06:19:00 -
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Kalel Nimrott wrote:Didn't we already have one of those "Nerf the Drake!" post this month?
Yeah, but not Today. You know what they say, 'One a day and CCP will do it to shut up the whiners'
Support the Return of Realistic Module Icons!
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=114818&find=unread |
Constable Chang
3
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Posted - 2012.06.24 08:46:00 -
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Ashera Yune wrote:With how extremely common these ships are and how they obsolete many ships i believe these ships need to be readjusted.
Both the Drake and Hurricane are simply too good, they need must readjusted to make players use other ships.
The Myrmidon and Harbinger will remain as they are. They will retain their dronebays due to their racial philosophy.
Myrm needs more bandwidth. As it is the Myrm has the same bandwidth as a cruiser. Either more bandwidth or more bonuses or some 'special' ability. Myrm just sucks and I don't see why anyone would use one. Can anyone call me out on this and tell me how I am wrong and Myrm is a great ship and doesn't need improvements?
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Forum Clone 77777
State War Academy
Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2012.06.24 11:07:00 -
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Constable Chang wrote:
Myrm needs more bandwidth. As it is the Myrm has the same bandwidth as a cruiser. Either more bandwidth or more bonuses or some 'special' ability. Myrm just sucks and I don't see why anyone would use one. Can anyone call me out on this and tell me how I am wrong and Myrm is a great ship and doesn't need improvements?
If you want to give the myrm an extra "special" bonus, youl need to give the other BCs one aswell.
Youre just making it worse. |
Alberik
Eusebius Corporation
8
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Posted - 2012.06.24 11:11:00 -
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isnt a -30% reduction a raise of 30%? |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
430
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Posted - 2012.06.24 11:20:00 -
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This is so stupid, even by the "standards" of the "NURFTEHZOMGOPDAREK!!!111oneone!!" crowd, that it beggars words in three languages.
Gas thread, ban OP.
Next!
In irae, veritas. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
89
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Posted - 2012.06.24 11:26:00 -
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Forum Clone 77777 wrote:If you want to give the myrm an extra "special" bonus, youl need to give the other BCs one aswell.
I'm all for tracking bonus for Harbinger!
Seriously, there's no need for Drake and Cane buff. Well, Drake gets buffed soon-ish but that's only good. All tank and no damage is just boring. |
Yelena Fedorova
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.06.24 11:47:00 -
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Constable Chang
3
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Posted - 2012.06.24 11:49:00 -
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Forum Clone 77777 wrote:Constable Chang wrote:
Myrm needs more bandwidth. As it is the Myrm has the same bandwidth as a cruiser. Either more bandwidth or more bonuses or some 'special' ability. Myrm just sucks and I don't see why anyone would use one. Can anyone call me out on this and tell me how I am wrong and Myrm is a great ship and doesn't need improvements?
If you want to give the myrm an extra "special" bonus, youl need to give the other BCs one aswell. Youre just making it worse.
I was thinking of something like 'a few percent drone control range per BC level' or something like that. I'm not a game designer. Its just I try out fittings of Vexor and Myrm in EFT and I think "whats the point of a Myrms existance?"
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Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise
Against ALL Authorities
139
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Posted - 2012.06.24 12:15:00 -
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Constable Chang wrote:Forum Clone 77777 wrote:Constable Chang wrote:
Myrm needs more bandwidth. As it is the Myrm has the same bandwidth as a cruiser. Either more bandwidth or more bonuses or some 'special' ability. Myrm just sucks and I don't see why anyone would use one. Can anyone call me out on this and tell me how I am wrong and Myrm is a great ship and doesn't need improvements?
If you want to give the myrm an extra "special" bonus, youl need to give the other BCs one aswell. Youre just making it worse. I was thinking of something like 'a few percent drone control range per BC level' or something like that. I'm not a game designer. Its just I try out fittings of Vexor and Myrm in EFT and I think "whats the point of a Myrms existance?"
Big ass tank
It can also solo level4s if you support skills are good, takes forever waiting for drones to get back and forth though. |
Frillo Teslar
2plus2isfive
BricK sQuAD.
6
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Posted - 2012.06.24 13:46:00 -
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canes aren't OP, they're made of paper, or armor tanked with no range. Myrm can have an insane active tank, while being able to spit out damage at range because of drones.
Drake is a bit OP due to the ehp, and harb is the weakest link, it needs a buff.
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nahjustwarpin
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2012.06.24 14:08:00 -
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Frillo Teslar wrote:canes aren't OP, they're made of paper, or armor tanked with no range. Myrm can have an insane active tank, while being able to spit out damage at range because of drones.
Drake is a bit OP due to the ehp, and harb is the weakest link, it needs a buff.
where's the myrm doctrine then. problem is that minnie ships have big pg, but their guns have low pg requirements and can shoot and neut untill they pop while having big tank |
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
122
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Posted - 2012.06.24 14:55:00 -
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What a fuckin shite suggestion.
If you want to balance the cane.
Remove 1 high, it only has 2 extra highs cause it used to have 7 turrets rather than 6.
When you actually think about it, the cane is the single most overpowered and versatile ship in the game as soon as the drake and tengu become crap, why?
Speed
Agility
Tracking
Falloff
2 Neuts
ECM or Damage drones
DPS
Selectable damage
Easy as **** to fit
Impossible to tackle in a frig
With todays current game style, everything being nano and speedy. The cane is one of thee best for the money.
If you want to nerf the drake, you cant. You have to nerf heavy missiles and the best way to do that is decrease flight time and increase velocity.
Since a drake itself is not op, just having 80km damage projection, 115 on a tengu is the problem.
Everytime you dont like my comments/posts the terrorists win and your a disgrace to your country. |
Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant
48
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Posted - 2012.06.24 16:43:00 -
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Constable Chang wrote:Ashera Yune wrote:With how extremely common these ships are and how they obsolete many ships i believe these ships need to be readjusted.
Both the Drake and Hurricane are simply too good, they need must readjusted to make players use other ships.
The Myrmidon and Harbinger will remain as they are. They will retain their dronebays due to their racial philosophy.
Myrm needs more bandwidth. As it is the Myrm has the same bandwidth as a cruiser. Either more bandwidth or more bonuses or some 'special' ability. Myrm just sucks and I don't see why anyone would use one. Can anyone call me out on this and tell me how I am wrong and Myrm is a great ship and doesn't need improvements?
The myrm is solid and can beat or force away any other BC (except maybe neut hurricanes, but depending on pilot skills it's possible if it's a shield cane with low-ish EHP) 1v1 if flown properly. The difference is it actually requires skill, SP, and not being braindead since it's active tanked and slower than a drake or a cane. You're also usually more committed to the fight. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
208
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Posted - 2012.06.24 17:10:00 -
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ITT: successful troll is successful
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Mfume Apocal
Origin.
Black Legion.
505
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Posted - 2012.06.24 18:49:00 -
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nahjustwarpin wrote:where's the myrm doctrine then. problem is that minnie ships have big pg, but their guns have low pg requirements and can shoot and neut untill they pop while having big tank
Arties have high PG requirements.
And there are droneboat fleet comps out there, but based around boats bonuses that are actually appropriate for fleets, not solo/small gang like the Myrm's rep bonus. |
Caitlyn Tufy
Refuge of Hope
Lemniskate
7
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Posted - 2012.06.24 20:10:00 -
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Gibbo3771 wrote:Since a drake itself is not op, just having 80km damage projection, 115 on a tengu is the problem.
True. However, I'd go about it in the other direction: missile's heavy advantage is projecting pretty much the same damage at any distance the missile can reach (as opposed to guns and optimal/falloff).
So, what I'd do is give Ferox the Drake's passive tank (obviously, somehow the cap would have to be taken care of for the hybrids to function) and turn Drake into a mini Raven (more gank, but unstable active tank).
That way, Caldari effectively get two lines: the hybrid with more tank/less gank (also followed by equally tanky Rokh) and the more gank/less tank (followed by equally ganky Raven).
Ideally, this would then be crowned with a navy Rokh to make the hybrid line fully parallel to the missile line for the Caldari.
Of course, that's just my honest opinion based on my preferences. |
Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
297
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Posted - 2012.06.24 20:58:00 -
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Frillo Teslar wrote:canes aren't OP, they're made of paper, or armor tanked with no range. Myrm can have an insane active tank, while being able to spit out damage at range because of drones.
Drake is a bit OP due to the ehp, and harb is the weakest link, it needs a buff.
I dunno how you fit shield Canes, but 51k EHP is perfectly achievable and is not paper thin. |
Bronya Boga
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.06.24 21:27:00 -
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Ashera Yune wrote:With how extremely common these ships are and how they obsolete many ships i believe these ships need to be readjusted.
Both the Drake and Hurricane are simply too good, they need must readjusted to make players use other ships.
The Myrmidon and Harbinger will remain as they are. They will retain their dronebays due to their racial philosophy.
Drake:
-removal of resistance bonus
-30% EHP reduction
-Removal of dronebay
-1 Midslot
+50% sig radius
Hurricane:
-30% EHP reduction
-Removal of Drone bay
-1 Midslot
+50% sig radius
This will bring the 2 battlecruisers on par with their fellow racial counterparts.
The Drake will be a long range missile ship while the Hurricane will be a gank support ship.
HAHAHAHAHAH!!!! That is the best thread I read in the past few days XD HAHAHAHAHAHA!
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