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Techkraft Amarr Chickens with an Attitude	Posted - 2010.01.16 19:37:00 - [31] Edited by: Techkraft on 16/01/2010 19:37:53 I'm dual boxing: - this thread - my name is Michael Epic win for lolz ps: I agree with the 7/10, just needs something extra EDIT: Sniper, SBftw
Ai Mei	Posted - 2010.01.16 19:42:00 - [32] ROFL!!!! a guy is emo rage quitting because he couldnt mine. I think we have hit a new high. or low of emo rage quitters. If you ask me, which you didnt but I will say it anyway, we need to have a bi-annual hulkageddon.
Arakash Mond Amarr Kings In The Back Row	Posted - 2010.01.16 19:51:00 - [33] Good post actually. It reaffirms the bottom line reason why Eve is game of the year. I have no desire to see folks leave the game but the Oricles of the mmorpg world are, generally speaking, why most mmorpgs suck. Players like him are catered to by the game developers, thankfully not so much at Eve. First of all he didn't even lose a ship and he's still whining which should give most readers pause for reflection. Anyway if you like the gameplay at Eve there is really nothing out there to compare with anymore but I do wish you luck on the journey. Arakash
FunzzeR Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.01.16 19:54:00 - [34] Originally by: oricle delphi well ccp. hope you enjoyed hulkaggedon cos its cost you my custom.i know alot of people didnt like it either. its crap like this that drives people away from this game. no i didnt loose a hulk etc but i did loose time. time i paid for with real life money. money i paid for my subs just to be prevented from doing something i like to do in this game. these stupid gankathons prevent people from playing the game while you (ccp) take our money and laugth at us behind our backs. well ccp hope you enjoyed it cos your not getting anymore out of me. p.s if u want my isk and stuff i would get hacking cos its the only way ur going to get it before i delete it U mad? PRAISE THE SCOTTISH FOLD!! THEIR WILL SHALL BE DONE!!
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries	Posted - 2010.01.16 20:07:00 - [35] I need an alt whom's sec status I do not care of. Ganking hulks sounds so much fun.
Ava Fabian	Posted - 2010.01.16 20:17:00 - [36] Too funny. Welcome to Hello Kitty
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.01.16 20:27:00 - [37] Originally by: oricle delphi Originally by: Malcanis Since the OP has only been in EVE since Dec 15th, one wonders just how much he could mine in a Hulk anyway. the reason i am posting in this few day old character is cos i have deleted my mains. im just bwaiting for my subs to end I'm not saying that I don't believe you, I'm just saying that I can't help noticing that your pants are on fire, and furthermore that you are hanging from a telephone wire.
Dyson Veare Indigo Synergy Inc The Compass	Posted - 2010.01.16 22:42:00 - [38] What amuses me about this thread and so many others is that everyone is so quick to persecute someone who has a valid point against everyone who deems what they think is fun to be right and justifiable. It is actually kind of a shame that someones personal enjoyment for this game or any game can be ruined by these types of events. In hindsight ccp might have issued a warning and said don't overdue it, or put a stop too hulkageddon altogether but as time has shown ccp chooses and demonstrates that same naive attitude and personality of all the players who destructively lash out against other peoples idea's and opinions blindly, arrogantly and without any merit too them and fails to always address what needs to be addressed. I actually feel bad that this guy may be leaving eve and I'm sure he's not alone. Where each of our personal real life time is spent making what we can of this game, just as in real life, players shouldn't be able to just take that way from you without some repercussions. It's one thing to play a game, its another for the players to destructively take matters into there own hands for a cheap laugh at the expensive of others especially when not everyone has a chance against it.
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Military Research and Manufacturing Corp.	Posted - 2010.01.16 22:50:00 - [39] Originally by: Dyson Veare What amuses me about this thread and so many others is that everyone is so quick to persecute someone who has a valid point against everyone who deems what they think is fun to be right and justifiable. It is actually kind of a shame that someones personal enjoyment for this game or any game can be ruined by these types of events. Assuming the OP is not a troll, I would have to say his enjoyment was not hurt by absolutely anything other than he himself failing at the game. Originally by: Akita T this whole game is just me playing with myself
Savatar Mei	Posted - 2010.01.16 22:54:00 - [40] and eve got community of the year or something, yet all i ever see is crybabies whingin about carebears, pirates, hello kitty island adventure. criers of the year more likely

Bibbleibble	Posted - 2010.01.16 22:56:00 - [41] Originally by: Savatar Mei and eve got community of the year or something, yet all i ever see is crybabies whingin about carebears, pirates, hello kitty island adventure. criers of the year more likely Hey, it could be that the other communities are worse... /shudders at the thought
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2010.01.16 22:57:00 - [42] Originally by: Serge Bastana Considering the OP's name is Oracle Delphi, I would have thought they would have seen this coming No, it's Oricle... meaning the op can't see sht Originally by:* a51 duke1406 The girls just dont understand that sunday is pvp night, not cuddle on the couch watching tv night.
Kerfira	Posted - 2010.01.16 23:03:00 - [43] MMO's where people are cuddled and handheld: WoW Numerous others.... MMO's where there are consequences for your actions: EVE If CCP changed their game as the OP and others of the same opinion wants, they'd suddenly not be the only one of their kind, but would have to compete against all the other mindless MMO's out there.... What CCP is doing is catering for their own specific audience, ie. players who realise, don't mind, and indeed WANT there to be consequences when they screw up! There's no other real competition in the MMO-space for that audience! It's either EVE or not playing so CCP has an easy time! If they changed EVE to carebear-EVE, they'd not be unique any more, and the competition from all the other carebear-MMO's would be MUCH harder. Their strategy of catering to a niche is paying off! Everything they say seem to indicate they KNOW this, and is not going to throw it away! They'll never get to the size of WoW, but they're ruling THIS hardcore niche absolutely... Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Dyson Veare Indigo Synergy Inc The Compass	Posted - 2010.01.16 23:14:00 - [44] I don't believe it has to be about being a carebear eve or a non-carebear eve. Its about right or wrong. It's easy to be a bully in school and get away with it because you can, and no one is going to believe you when you call out that bully but the day you do everyone throws it in your face still defeating you. This reminds me of eve as a whole. Each individual player shouldn't be accommodated in each there own way but when an entity forms and provides a chaotic end result where fun was the common place but upset and and challenged players who didn't want to partake in something they shouldn't have been forced into is the line people are expressing distaste for. It's not about playing eve, or managing yourself or simply moving past it. Not everyone knew about hulkageddon, or whatever example is taking place in eve nor should they have too. Just because you vacation doesn't mean you should bring a gun to fend off the locals in-case you get robbed. And whats my point, sometimes fun doesn't have to be everyone else's fun at your expense.
Savatar Mei	Posted - 2010.01.16 23:15:00 - [45] Originally by: Bibbleibble Originally by: Savatar Mei and eve got community of the year or something, yet all i ever see is crybabies whingin about carebears, pirates, hello kitty island adventure. criers of the year more likely Hey, it could be that the other communities are worse... /shudders at the thought LMAO
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Military Research and Manufacturing Corp.	Posted - 2010.01.16 23:22:00 - [46] Originally by: Dyson Veare I don't believe it has to be about being a carebear eve or a non-carebear eve. Its about right or wrong. It's easy to be a bully in school and get away with it because you can, and no one is going to believe you when you call out that bully but the day you do everyone throws it in your face still defeating you. This reminds me of eve as a whole. Each individual player shouldn't be accommodated in each there own way but when an entity forms and provides a chaotic end result where fun was the common place but upset and and challenged players who didn't want to partake in something they shouldn't have been forced into is the line people are expressing distaste for. It's not about playing eve, or managing yourself or simply moving past it. Not everyone knew about hulkageddon, or whatever example is taking place in eve nor should they have too. Just because you vacation doesn't mean you should bring a gun to fend off the locals in-case you get robbed. And whats my point, sometimes fun doesn't have to be everyone else's fun at your expense. I'm not sure you realize this, but this is a GAME, not some interactive movie or something. A GAME. You know, competition? One person wins, the other loses? Your fun is meant to be had at someone else's expense. Originally by: Akita T this whole game is just me playing with myself
Kerfira	Posted - 2010.01.16 23:25:00 - [47] Edited by: Kerfira on 16/01/2010 23:26:55 Originally by: Dyson Veare ....players who didn't want to partake in something they shouldn't have been forced into.... ...then they should have chosen to play a game where non-consentual combat wasn't the base premise of the game... Shouldn't they? Your attitude is like this: A player joins a football (soccer for US'ians) team as a mid-fielder, then throws a screaming temper-tantrum when he's not allowed to use his hands! Whining that a game has rules you don't like is silly when most other people play that game BECAUSE it has those rules! Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Dyson Veare Indigo Synergy Inc The Compass	Posted - 2010.01.16 23:32:00 - [48] It's so amusing to watch everyone assume that constructive conversation is conveyed online as simple whining. Your point is still invalid. Eve is about player versus player, one may win, or you may not win based completely on setup, skill, time of attack, completely situational at every angle no matter what. Eve may not be every mmo, in fact its not any other mmo which sets it apart from the rest. And this isn't about it being a sandbox with no rules, but you cannot simply always take everything because you feel it necessary. Even if the game warrants this behavior you are still the consequence of your actions. Someone who relishes in the agony of others is nothing more then a bully. Weather the conditions warranted the outcome or not and not everyone is here just because you feel that's how the game should be played. This in essence is the sandbox effect. One mans bore is another mans fun, with rules or none, but you can't always dictate there fun through your own eyes. Sometimes just take it for what it is. Which would just happen to not always be your own.
Bibbleibble	Posted - 2010.01.16 23:34:00 - [49] Originally by: Dyson Veare I don't believe it has to be about being a carebear eve or a non-carebear eve. Its about right or wrong. It's easy to be a bully in school and get away with it because you can, and no one is going to believe you when you call out that bully but the day you do everyone throws it in your face still defeating you. This reminds me of eve as a whole. So everyone who's an actor and plays a villain, is a completely evil person? Real life =/= EVE. I know players who will PVP, grief, steal and generally act as you seem to be complaining about, but who are in real life, people who have dedicated their lives to caring for others (doctors, teachers and other people like that). Quote: Each individual player shouldn't be accommodated in each there own way but when an entity forms and provides a chaotic end result where fun was the common place but upset and and challenged players who didn't want to partake in something they shouldn't have been forced into is the line people are expressing distaste for. It's not about playing eve, or managing yourself or simply moving past it. Last time I checked, you CHOOSE to play EVE. YOU log in and YOU decide to play. If you don't want to play that's fine, but that's where your choice over what you're participating in ends. Quote: Not everyone knew about hulkageddon, or whatever example is taking place in eve nor should they have too. Just because you vacation doesn't mean you should bring a gun to fend off the locals in-case you get robbed. And whats my point, sometimes fun doesn't have to be everyone else's fun at your expense. Of course fun doesn't have to be at someone else's expense. However, if I go and play, say paintball, then I am expected to try and shoot the other people. They've signed up for that when they've entered the game. And they've had just as much chance to know about it as anyone. It really doesn't take much to spend a few minutes looking through the forums, especially to avoid a 200+ million isk losses.
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Military Research and Manufacturing Corp.	Posted - 2010.01.16 23:41:00 - [50] Originally by: Dyson Veare because you feel that's how the game should be played. It's how any game that fits the definition of the word is played. From Tic-Tac-Toe all the way up to Eve. Eve is just a lot more complex, is all. The basic thing is still to beat the other player. It's like acusing someone of being a bully for taking one of your pieces in chess. If all someone wants is just to do this one thing by themselves, with no interference from other players except posibly to chat with them occasionally - well, then why is that person even paying to play a multiplayer game in the first place? Originally by: Akita T this whole game is just me playing with myself

Dyson Veare Indigo Synergy Inc The Compass	Posted - 2010.01.16 23:50:00 - [51] Again a invalid tangent told by a person who has no positive realization. EVE even with the ability too shoot others through warranted action or deceit and setup is not a simple game of paintball. Remember over 50% of eve is production and mining. With neither you would not have your pretty type two assault ship to fly around. So there is more then just one angle and game here and not all involve combat. If for one day just as a hypothetical situation ccp decided to remove security status enveloping all of eve into one large combat zone. The later 50% of pvpers that are not miners go, "oh joy free isk yes!". Sit back for a second and think about this, 50% of eve makes ships mines minerals, lets destroy every ship within a empire space for even a week straight. Do you have concept of what kind of effect that would have on eve? Why do you think there is a "safer zone" in a matter of words and restrictions. Because if no solid market could be sustained in a matter of a month the market would deplete, isk prices would be so high against the demand versus production that no new player could afford a lowly frigate. You can't always challenge something without thinking of the back-story and how there might be a hidden balance too this all. I believe hulk prices if not yet will more then double after hulkageddon week. Its change likes this that warrant and empathetic response other then "your whining".
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Military Research and Manufacturing Corp.	Posted - 2010.01.16 23:55:00 - [52] Originally by: Dyson Veare Remember over 50% of eve is production and mining. And many, if not a majority, of us who do pvp combat also do production, mining and/or trading. This character here is my industrial alt. She makes shiny new rigs every day. This is not an issue of production (and related stuff) versus pvp combat. Originally by: Akita T this whole game is just me playing with myself
Kerfira	Posted - 2010.01.16 23:59:00 - [53] Edited by: Kerfira on 16/01/2010 23:59:27 Originally by: Dyson Veare Drivel... Things would be produced anyway.... After all, this was how 0.0 functioned for years before CCP made logistics too easy.... You're overwhelmed with your own (not so significant) importance.... If you knew EVE better, you'd know how silly your comments were... Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Bibbleibble	Posted - 2010.01.17 00:01:00 - [54] Edited by: Bibbleibble on 17/01/2010 00:01:44 Edited by: Bibbleibble on 17/01/2010 00:01:25 Originally by: Dyson Veare Again a invalid tangent told by a person who has no positive realization. EVE even with the ability too shoot others through warranted action or deceit and setup is not a simple game of paintball. Remember over 50% of eve is production and mining. With neither you would not have your pretty type two assault ship to fly around. So there is more then just one angle and game here and not all involve combat. That's your faulty assumption there. Whether you want to accept it or not, you will be shot at in EVE. If you don't want to be shot at, don't play. Quote: If for one day just as a hypothetical situation ccp decided to remove security status enveloping all of eve into one large combat zone. The later 50% of pvpers that are not miners go, "oh joy free isk yes!". Sit back for a second and think about this, 50% of eve makes ships mines minerals, lets destroy every ship within a empire space for even a week straight. Do you have concept of what kind of effect that would have on eve? Why do you think there is a "safer zone" in a matter of words and restrictions. Because if no solid market could be sustained in a matter of a month the market would deplete, isk prices would be so high against the demand versus production that no new player could afford a lowly frigate. It would make a lot of mess, yet that's not what's going on. Hulks =/= all ships in empire. In fact, casualties of hulkageddon =/= all the hulks in empire, more like about 1/5 IIRC Quote: You can't always challenge something without thinking of the back-story and how there might be a hidden balance too this all. I believe hulk prices if not yet will more then double after hulkageddon week. Its change likes this that warrant and empathetic response other then "your whining". If I was a producer, I'd be enjoying that then. Price rise = more profit for me, so in fact hulkageddon is a good thing for all concerned.
Thelma Todd	Posted - 2010.01.17 00:04:00 - [55] Originally by: Kerfira I think you can safely declare 'troll'.... The OP is 1 month 1 day old, and since it doesn't really make any sense posting with an alt if you're leaving the game, I think you all got trolled If one is leaving the game, it doesn't make much sense deleting the mains either.... If one is leaving, you'd not care enough to answer your leaving whine, nor would you care enough to post one... If this is not the case, I'll join the 'lol' crowd.... ^ this Consider yourselves well and truly "Trolled" people.
Lunewraith Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2010.01.17 00:05:00 - [56] Y'know, CCP has ganked me harder than any player-sponsored event could. Lets recap a year: PLEX sales through the online store (previously available only from breaking down GTC's)- down appox. 20 % NAV Unholy Rage (which gutted the Character Sales market nearly instantly) - down appx 15% NAV Cap ship changes (Sold my Titan prints at a significant loss) - down appx. 20% NAV All in all, down about 60% in about a year from changes implemented by CCP themselves. Much of which was paid for in RL $ (transfer fess) from my past successes in Character Sales... Funny thing is, I'm still playing with no intention of quitting. Don't care if I get smashed back to a noob ship and 5000 ISK. I have the knowledge and tools to get it all back. Harden up ffs.
Dyson Veare Indigo Synergy Inc The Compass	Posted - 2010.01.17 00:10:00 - [57] At least it was a fun debate. Ended a lot more professional then most.
Cyprus Black Caldari Cowboy Diplomacy	Posted - 2010.01.17 00:17:00 - [58] lol @ OP
Bibbleibble	Posted - 2010.01.17 00:20:00 - [59] Originally by: Dyson Veare At least it was a fun debate. Ended a lot more professional then most. I'm glad we can agree to disagree. It's much nicer to end a forum debate without petty flaming or ad hominems.
Thelma Todd	Posted - 2010.01.17 00:25:00 - [60] Amen to that.



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