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Tribalist
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Posted - 2010.01.19 01:19:00 -
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Hi Friends and Neighbors!
The Back Story:
So no ôdoo dooö there I was sitting cloaked at a gate watching this WT approach in a Rifter (Zecks Marquies û No Trademark) informed our fleet on the other side à figured easy kill.
Target jumps through à and logs offà. And logs on, and immediately logs off again, then logs on and flys away. WTF!
So what happened on the other side of the gate.
While still cloaked the target logs off and starts emergency warp only becomes visible after warp initiated, no worries heÆll be right back! Right? Nope! The target logs back on and off again thereby initiating a new emergency warp! That Bastard! He killed Kenny! Oops! wrong genre but you get the point. When he logs back on he warps back to his emergency warp location 100k km off the gate!
So, we plod along looking for more targets and this happens again and again and again!
So I fired up the ole Petition Moped and figured I would take a drive down complaint lane! Guess what? ITS NOT AN EXPLOIT! ThatÆs right friends and neighbors! This is the newest tactic allowed by CCP.
Proof or STFU? Sure! Attached is the petition text and response!
Petition Body
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We are under war with No Trademark, we have observed a tactic employed by several of their members repeatedly.
We catch them on a gate, they log off while under jump cloak, then 3 or 4 seconds later immediately log back on, and log back off again, then log back on and they "return warp" to where they were logged off. i.e. 100K km away from the gate. there by avoiding the gate camp.
I believe this is an exploit.
Toons seen to use this tactic:
Hiphop Apotamus
Oma de'sala
Zecks Marquise
Thanks
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Response:
Hello,
I am afraid that logging on, or off, can never be treated as an exploit by us, as we simply can not control when people do this. The devs have stated though that they do not like this, and they are trying to find a solution to this, but that is difficult, as it must be balanced to hurt those that are doing this merely as lame tactics to avoid the destruction of their ships, and not hurt those too badly which genuinely have connection problems happening to them at in inopportune moment.
Best regards,
GM Markab
Eve Online Customer Support
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My thoughts OMG! I picked a bad week to quit dropping Acid! Did he just say this was a Tactic?
So I fired back a message stating that maybe this is not what he ment?
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So basicly you are gonna see a lot of this TACTIC not exploit in the future.
The only way this can occur is to have two boxes and use the second to "bump" the first off line.
I understand that you cannot control this, however you inability to do so when these instances are ONLY happening at camps, and is in my OPINION an exploit, however since you view this as a valid TACTIC I will instruct our alliance to employ the same tactic, thereby leveling the playing field. You leave us no choice.
Respectfully,
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And after almost an hour and a half I got the following response:
(From GM Markab)
Sorry about the delay in getting back to you.
But I fear that this is indeed the policy. If this is something you feel should be changed, then the best way to bring this to the attention of the Developers is to bring the matter up on the forums, the 'Features and Ideas Discussion' specifically. While the Devs may or may not participate in the discussions there, they do follow it to see what players think could or should be improved or added in the game.
I'm sorry that we can not be of more immediate help in this.
Best regards,
Eve Online Customer Support
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Now at this time I bet he was wishing I hadnÆt stopped sniffing Glue this week.. because I would have probably forgotten all about this... Lucky you!
So, I wish everyone the BEST of luck in using this High Sec and low sec method of evading gate camps.
Tribe
Tribe
Friend's don't let friend's drive the Imicus |
Gladys Pank
Amarr
Sekret Kool Klubb
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Posted - 2010.01.19 01:28:00 -
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In before the lock and this has been known by everyone since before time 
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Soar Like a Penguin |
a51 duke1406
Imperium Signal Corps
Underworld Excavators
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Posted - 2010.01.19 01:30:00 -
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In before gm correspondence lock.
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Gawain Hawk
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Posted - 2010.01.19 01:34:00 -
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Yes, we need more threads about Logoffski!
Preferably made by someone who it seems is the last person playing EVE to find out about it.
And we need more people wasting GM time by questioning petition responses that explain the situation clearly and succintly...
- Not working as intended, but too hard to prove or fix just at the moment so has to be regarded as a tactic.
Also: In before the lock for discussing petitions.
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Tribalist
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Posted - 2010.01.19 01:47:00 -
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Edited by: Tribalist on 19/01/2010 01:48:05
LoL
Guess this just shows my naivetT on exploits and such.
As to the lock ... I'm just doing what was suggested.. by a GM.. he may not have mentthis.. but this is what he gets.
Also ... I waslead to beleive that the logoffski was an exploit, if this is the logoffski then should that no be petionable?
Tribe
Tribe
Friend's don't let friend's drive the Imicus |
RyanSnake
Caldari
Emergence Inc.
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Posted - 2010.01.19 01:51:00 -
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Edited by: RyanSnake on 19/01/2010 01:51:51
I don't think he suggested you post this topic in CnP.
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bring the matter up on the forums, the 'Features and Ideas Discussion' specifically.
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RyanSnake --
Privateer Extraordinaire |
Tribalist
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Posted - 2010.01.19 01:54:00 -
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yeah it's posted there too :)
Tribe
Tribe
Friend's don't let friend's drive the Imicus |
Ravenclaw2kk
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Posted - 2010.01.19 01:59:00 -
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Use a hic. Logoffski dont work then afaik.
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Tribalist
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Posted - 2010.01.19 02:03:00 -
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As long as the target logs off while under jump cloak he's free and clear!
Only way to catch him is using a Bubble in no sec.
So this is perfect for low and high sec.
(REDACTED) <-- may just start using this as my Sig.
Tribe
Friend's don't let friend's drive the Imicus |
Zcorm Narwarr
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Posted - 2010.01.19 02:11:00 -
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So when you log off while cloaked the ship magically warps off faster than usual preventing any locking to it? I thought the ship still needs to accelerate as normal to perform the emergency warp, am I wrong?
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Aeris Bad'ia
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Posted - 2010.01.19 02:20:00 -
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Originally by: Zcorm Narwarr
So when you log off while cloaked the ship magically warps off faster than usual preventing any locking to it? I thought the ship still needs to accelerate as normal to perform the emergency warp, am I wrong?
It doesn't really work right though, it feels like when you try to lock a ship thats cloaking, you can double tap it and he gets the cursor but the lock never resolves. idk if this is something about the server giving him a default session change or what. |
Lexa Hellfury
Incura
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Posted - 2010.01.19 02:27:00 -
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Wow, look at this new and previously unknown game mechanic 
Thank you for bringing this to our attention!!!!!
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Meatball Enema
No Trademark
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Posted - 2010.01.19 02:41:00 -
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This will be dealt with.
PS, my nuts. Get on them.
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Karenzi
No Trademark
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Posted - 2010.01.19 02:45:00 -
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wait, one of our members was using this well kept secret while flying a rifter instead of just warping off!? he has now needlessly shown our most ultimate tactic to our enemies and i will dispatch of his rifter immediately and post the killmail. thank you.
and please do not replicate his tactic. you will fail at it and die horribly. plus, it's ours, we found it first.
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Klezmer
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.01.19 02:57:00 -
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Once again pirats have it too easy.
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Tribalist
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Posted - 2010.01.19 03:12:00 -
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Originally by: Karenzi
wait, one of our members was using this well kept secret while flying a rifter instead of just warping off!? he has now needlessly shown our most ultimate tactic to our enemies and i will dispatch of his rifter immediately and post the killmail. thank you.
and please do not replicate his tactic. you will fail at it and die horribly. plus, it's ours, we found it first.
Sometimes its not about you
Sometimes its about the exploit ermm I mean Tactics.
(REDACTED) <-- begining to like this
Tribe
Friend's don't let friend's drive the Imicus |
Allan Sheperd
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Posted - 2010.01.19 03:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ravenclaw2kk
Use a hic. Logoffski dont work then afaik.
Actually it does. As of Apocrypha you no longer receive the 15 minute wait when you are aggressed. Also, if they logged off while under cloak you wouldn't get it anyways! =D
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2010.01.19 04:47:00 -
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You actually petitioned this? Get the **** out of my queue.
You spent an hour and a half arguing about a possible rifter kill.
With the level of fail you have already demonstrated, I highly doubt that you would have been able to scram a rifter before he warped, even if he didn't log off.
Hot key bound to petition bunny spotted.
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Ophelia Ursus
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Posted - 2010.01.19 05:27:00 -
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Jesus, there are people will logoffski to save a ****ing Rifter? 
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Zill
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.01.19 06:01:00 -
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happens all time in all mmos mate, the younger ones find an exploit an hammer it. It's so commonplace these days, this is what happened when MMO's opened up to the mainstream.
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Zecks Marquise
No Trademark
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Posted - 2010.01.19 06:59:00 -
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Im Zecks Marquise and i approve this message
STAY IN BED WE GOT IT |
Calydonian Boar
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Posted - 2010.01.19 07:19:00 -
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Newest? This is known for ages...
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Ospie
Core Impulse
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Posted - 2010.01.19 08:01:00 -
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On a rifter eh? We're used to freighters doing it, it's pretty lame..
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Aichi Awara
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Posted - 2010.01.19 08:16:00 -
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The Back Story:
So no ôdoo dooö there I was sitting cloaked at a gate watching this WT approach in a Rifter (Zecks Marquies û No Trademark) informed our fleet on the other side à figured easy kill.
Target jumps through à and logs offà. And logs on, and immediately logs off again, then logs on and flys away. WTF!
Originally by: Zecks Marquise
Im Zecks Marquise and i approve this message
Muaheheheee... Best TOPIC ever.
I would love to check estimated SP of these dudes from battleclinics, but unfortunately it's down atm.
Certainly, this must be most hilarious topic -repeat- ever.
It would me much more fun if the original poster has like 20m+ skillpoints and this Zecks Marquise like 1.6m =)
Absolutely hilarious!! rofl
Imagine.. one camping the gate.. say in arazu in with t2 fit and good skills...and this innocent looking rifter pilot arrives in mixed t1/named fit, ship smoking from previous mission, cargo full of ****ty t1 loot (or more likely he's been pew pewing etc, but for story's sake, pve)and then the anti-climax for the mighty horde on the other side of the gate: bunch of Battleships, hacs, ceptors (reason to log offski-trick, why bother otherwise?) and HIC with infinity script... and that rifter pilot does the log-off-log-on -trick...
doh!
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Rex Cable
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Posted - 2010.01.19 09:01:00 -
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Edited by: Rex Cable on 19/01/2010 09:02:01
Originally by: Aichi Awara
The Back Story:
So no ôdoo dooö there I was sitting cloaked at a gate watching this WT approach in a Rifter (Zecks Marquies û No Trademark) informed our fleet on the other side à figured easy kill.
Target jumps through à and logs offà. And logs on, and immediately logs off again, then logs on and flys away. WTF!
Originally by: Zecks Marquise
Im Zecks Marquise and i approve this message
Muaheheheee... Best TOPIC ever.
I would love to check estimated SP of these dudes from battleclinics, but unfortunately it's down atm.
Certainly, this must be most hilarious topic -repeat- ever.
It would me much more fun if the original poster has like 20m+ skillpoints and this Zecks Marquise like 1.6m =)
Absolutely hilarious!! rofl
Imagine.. one camping the gate.. say in arazu in with t2 fit and good skills...and this innocent looking rifter pilot arrives in mixed t1/named fit, ship smoking from previous mission, cargo full of ****ty t1 loot (or more likely he's been pew pewing etc, but for story's sake, pve)and then the anti-climax for the mighty horde on the other side of the gate: bunch of Battleships, hacs, ceptors (reason to log offski-trick, why bother otherwise?) and HIC with infinity script... and that rifter pilot does the log-off-log-on -trick...
doh!
cool story bro
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StainLessStealRat
Divine Retribution
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.19 11:47:00 -
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OP did you post this 3 years ago or just really slow catching on?
Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels. Zymurgist |
RuleoftheBone
Minmatar
The Littlest Hobos
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.01.19 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ophelia Ursus
Jesus, there are people will logoffski to save a ****ing Rifter?
C+P is so much pointless tripe these days....but you made me chuckle.
have cookie 
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Grozen
Caldari
Beacon Institute and Industrial
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Posted - 2010.01.19 14:43:00 -
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Hmm why don't you try having some guys 100km of the gate?
knowledge is power |
Lightningshade
Caldari
The Athiest Syndicate
Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2010.01.19 14:55:00 -
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Edited by: Lightningshade on 19/01/2010 14:57:04
Originally by: Zill
happens all time in all mmos mate, the younger ones find an exploit an hammer it. It's so commonplace these days, this is what happened when MMO's opened up to the mainstream.
how is it the "younger ones" that find an exploit Zill?
If I remember correctly, the POSploit guys were well seasoned.
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Leon Dalmasca
Gallente
Unknown Soldiers
Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.01.19 15:00:00 -
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In b4 lock, then again, i don't think this is gonna be locked anymore
and Cool story bro!
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