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Ebeneser Scrooj
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Posted - 2010.01.25 04:41:00 -
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I'd like to propose that all threads which have been voted on by the CSM be colored. Same way threads with posts by mods or devs are colored.
One color for passed and another for not passed.
This would save alot of reading time for those of us interested in the proposals raised in this forum.
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Pasus Nauran
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Posted - 2010.01.25 21:35:00 -
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Supported.
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Illrean
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Posted - 2010.01.25 22:05:00 -
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Can also read the minutes if you are curious about how the discussion went.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Category:CSM_Meeting_Minutes
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.01.26 04:48:00 -
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CCP needs to give the CSM secretary mod powers over the CSM forums. That would solve all this stuff cleanly. Sadly, either the forum software doesn't support that, they're not willing to, or both. Hopefully it's the former and Spacebook will fix that. Until then, though, it's not going to happen.
Still, supporting it - it really ought to be fixed.
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Aineko Macx
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Posted - 2010.01.26 09:16:00 -
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Yes.
Marking threads with proposals picked up by the CSM is also part of the package of improvements to the Assembly Hall forum tools.
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TeaDaze
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Posted - 2010.01.26 11:33:00 -
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 Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
CCP needs to give the CSM secretary mod powers over the CSM forums.
 Are you mad, the CSM4 secretary is a total noob 
The current system is pants, there isn't anything to suggest that a topic you are raising is there already let alone been voted on. Even adding subcategories would help however we are stuck with this for the moment.
I do think it would improve matters if it was possible to actively lock threads once they have been raised (or gone inactive to stop thread necromancy). This could apply to duplicates too, lock with a link to the master topic.
Sadly this would take a significant amount of effort to keep on top of so I can't see this working without more CCP involvement...
I do support this idea of a quick indication that a topic has been raised/passed/rejected though.
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Aineko Macx
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Posted - 2010.01.26 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: TeaDaze
I do think it would improve matters if it was possible to actively lock threads [that] have [...] gone inactive to stop thread necromancy.
What is it with the obsession to avoid necros? Does a good idea get bad just because no one posted in the thread for a month? If you start locking them for that, people will have yet another reason to bump threads. And when that fails, they will create a new (duplicate) thread, which will have to start from scratch getting support, the same things will be discussed, etc, so IMO nothing is gained.
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Ebeneser Scrooj
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Posted - 2010.01.26 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
CCP needs to give the CSM secretary mod powers over the CSM forums. That would solve all this stuff cleanly.
After that Mazilliu person you think that's a good idea? No way should a CSM have mod powers.
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(or gone inactive to stop thread necromancy).
As someone who just recently necro'd a bunch of ideas I thought were good, I disagree. They're inactive 90 days after the last post, not before. A good idea is a good idea no matter how long ago it was raised.
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TeaDaze
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Posted - 2010.01.26 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Aineko Macx
What is it with the obsession to avoid necros?
Does a good idea get bad just because no one posted in the thread for a month?
If it was a good idea why wasn't it being supported? Also who said a month?
This forum isn't a suggestions and ideas forum, it is a place for people to post a proposal, gather support for it (either gain 25% of the last voter turnout or getting a CSM representative on side) and have it put to CSM. If stuff hasn't been picked up and hasn't had a comment for say 6 months lets draw a line under it and move on.
Originally by: Aineko Macx
If you start locking them for that, people will have yet another reason to bump threads. And when that fails, they will create a new (duplicate) thread, which will have to start from scratch getting support, the same things will be discussed, etc, so IMO nothing is gained.
People do that anyway 
If people are campaigning for support on a proposal (as they should be and via other channels not just here) then bumping is naturally done by people supporting (or disputing) the idea. Bumping only becomes a problem when the bumps become the proposer clinging on to a failed idea in the hope that they will eventually gather a few more supporters.
But considering CSM don't have mod powers this is a moot point
Originally by: Ebeneser Scrooj
After that Mazilliu person you think that's a good idea? No way should a CSM have mod powers.
Because Maz is the template for all CSM reps 
Originally by: Ebeneser Scrooj
As someone who just recently necro'd a bunch of ideas I thought were good, I disagree. They're inactive 90 days after the last post, not before. A good idea is a good idea no matter how long ago it was raised.
I saw this and also noted that you deliberately bypassed the 5 min forum timer in the process and pushed all the active threads off the front page, well done
Note that most if not all of those necro'd threads have had no further support since your bump which basically shows why they ended up inactive in the first place. Also a quick look shows the majority of those threads have less than 20-30 supports even though they have been around for over 90 days whilst a couple threads had around 60-80 supports.
I'm not saying the ideas are bad, but if there isn't any support perhaps the proposal needs reworking.
Anyway we are getting off topic. Some indication that a thread has been taken to a CSM meeting is a good idea.
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Theac Osiris
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.01.26 15:31:00 -
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Supported. It would be good to know when CSM has looked at a topic and discussed it. You might have two colors, one for "CSM has looked at it" and one for "CSM has made a decision on it", since there might still be some debate and suggestions after CSM has taken an initial look.
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Aineko Macx
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Posted - 2010.01.26 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: TeaDaze
If it was a good idea why wasn't it being supported?
It was. But it got bumped off the front page and then forgotten.
And if it was forgotten for a good reason, no need to lock it, right?
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This forum isn't a suggestions and ideas forum, it is a place for people to post a proposal, gather support for it (either gain 25% of the last voter turnout or getting a CSM representative on side) and have it put to CSM. If stuff hasn't been picked up and hasn't had a comment for say 6 months lets draw a line under it and move on.
You among all people should know that CSM can only handle a limited amount of issues. Thus lots of proposals with excellent support are not brought up, because there was something more pressing/interesting at the time.
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If people are campaigning for support on a proposal (as they should be and via other channels not just here)
Really? Other than F&I, what other channels do we have?
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then bumping is naturally done by people supporting (or disputing) the idea.
yes, and at some point the discussion ceases because everything has been said and all interested Assembly Hall regulars have voted. If you click through the pages you'll see countless proposals with incredible high support which never got raised.
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Bumping only becomes a problem when the bumps become the proposer clinging on to a failed idea in the hope that they will eventually gather a few more supporters.
Yes. But with better forum tools this could be handled as well. Like auto locking based on no-votes or even better, a system that makes bumping unnecessary...
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TeaDaze
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Posted - 2010.01.26 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Aineko Macx
And if it was forgotten for a good reason, no need to lock it, right?
Probably not, it was just a suggestion because I like things to be neat and tidy
Originally by: Aineko Macx
You among all people should know that CSM can only handle a limited amount of issues. Thus lots of proposals with excellent support are not brought up, because there was something more pressing/interesting at the time.
If it is a really pressing issue for somebody I wouldn't expect them to leave it for 3+ months without a bump or an attempt to get a CSM rep to pick it up.
Originally by: Aineko Macx
Really? Other than F&I, what other channels do we have?
Many people don't use the eve-o forums but have in game channels (eve-bloggers, industry, si-radio etc) which they use to point people at relevant proposals about their common interests. Not to mention other eve related forums, corp / alliance forums etc. It depends on the idea of course but there are other ways to get support and each support is a bump as well.
Originally by: Aineko Macx
yes, and at some point the discussion ceases because everything has been said and all interested Assembly Hall regulars have voted. If you click through the pages you'll see countless proposals with incredible high support which never got raised.
But if people are behind the proposal they should be approaching the CSM reps most closely related to that area of gameplay and pointing at the level of support achieved. It is a safe bet it will be missed if it has dropped below say page 5 and a quick eve mail with a link to it won't hurt. If you get no reply within a week or so you can post that on the thread for a bump and a kick up the backside of the CSM reps
Originally by: Aineko Macx
Yes. But with better forum tools this could be handled as well. Like auto locking based on no-votes or even better, a system that makes bumping unnecessary...
I agree totally, we are limited by the current system hence my support of your other thread
I don't speak for the whole CSM (except when publishing minutes etc ) but I figured when I had time I would enter some of these discussions. I know not everyone will agree with me which is fine, the rest of the CSM don't agree with me all the time either
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Daffyd Bowie
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Posted - 2010.01.26 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: TeaDaze
Originally by: Ebeneser Scrooj
After that Mazilliu person you think that's a good idea? No way should a CSM have mod powers.
Because Maz is the template for all CSM reps [:roll]
No. But if it happens once it can happen again. CCP already demonstrated their lack of concern for the integrity of the CSM. Give the wrong CSM member mod powers and we might as well all forget this forum for 6 months.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.01.28 02:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ebeneser Scrooj
Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
CCP needs to give the CSM secretary mod powers over the CSM forums. That would solve all this stuff cleanly.
After that Mazilliu person you think that's a good idea? No way should a CSM have mod powers.
You'll note that I specified the secretary, not all nine of them. The secretaries thus far(Ankh, OZ, Meissa, Tea) have all been more or less reasonable folks - the jokesters tend not to want the workload that position implies.
Originally by: Ebeneser Scrooj
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(or gone inactive to stop thread necromancy).
As someone who just recently necro'd a bunch of ideas I thought were good, I disagree. They're inactive 90 days after the last post, not before. A good idea is a good idea no matter how long ago it was raised.
Yeah, we noticed. Admittedly, necro is less bad in this forum than in many others, but it's still generally poor practice - messes with too many people's heads.
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Solo Player
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Posted - 2010.01.31 23:45:00 -
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Much needed.
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