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Rhaetic
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Posted - 2010.01.26 01:19:00 -
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Forgive me for the simple question... I played with the Search for a good 10 minutes and couldn't get a relevant result.
I want to move to a new planet. I'm currently at the infamous Rens Treasury, but there is a place with better missions for me 6 jumps away though VERY high-sec space (0.9-1.0).
I'm a mission runner -- a combat pilot. As far as cargo goes, I have mostly ammo and a few guns and combat fittings. Similarly, all my skills are combat-oriented. I'm not sure how to go about piloting a ship designed to move stuff.
I also have 8 ships to move. Various Frigates and Cruisers.
I can't find a way to transfer stuff in an elegant manner. How is this typically accomplished? Do I have to fly back in my pod across 6 jumps to move my ships?
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Ren Nekk
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.01.26 01:24:00 -
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Edited by: Ren Nekk on 26/01/2010 01:26:34
Basically, yes. Only don't use your pod, use a shuttle.
But you can fit some indy ships to have enough cargo to haul a cruiser, or several frigates. See about buying a Mammoth and putting max cargohold expanders on it. In general though, it's very possible you will have to fly some of your ships one at a time. That is, until you can buy a freighter. Even then, though, you will likely have rigged ships that you will have to be flying one at a time different places. That is why people tend to have a lot of different ships in different places.
Edit: I am just guessing, but it seems like you probably don't need to move all those ships, unless you are really sure that system is your New Home Forever. Chances are you'll be moving around a lot and leaving stuff scattered around; for now only move what you need to. Also, Rens is as good a place as any to leave random crap.
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Mara Abraham
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.01.26 01:26:00 -
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Greetings:
I'm relatively new, so take what I write with that grain of salt or several.
If it was only six jumps, all high sec, then I would run them individually there (no auto pilot).
If you don't mind losing insurance and rigs, then assemble the ships and put what you can in a wreathe with expanded cargo hold II's on it.
Please note if you leave a ship to a pod where the ship is insured, I believe you lose the insurance on that ship. Shuttles work if you don't have an uninsured ship you can "make active."
Thank you.
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Rhaetic
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Posted - 2010.01.26 01:34:00 -
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I was afraid that you were going to say something of the sort.
Going off your suggestion, I would have to invest 2-3 days of time into learning Min Industrial 4 to fly the Mammoth. It's starting to look like that is the way to go...
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SexTrader
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Posted - 2010.01.26 01:53:00 -
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My gosh, man, 6 jumps and 8 ships.......that should take what, maybe an hour?
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Tiruriku
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Posted - 2010.01.26 02:00:00 -
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You can move rigged ships in a freighter. A six-jump courier contract from a freighter service would run you about 2.6m. You might be able to take everything in 1 trip, at the most two. If I wanted to move everything (and wasn't in a rush) I would just take that approach. It is cheap and easy.
Do a search for red frog freight, I know they have a good reputation.
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Rhaetic
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Posted - 2010.01.26 02:04:00 -
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Edited by: Rhaetic on 26/01/2010 02:05:55
 Originally by: SexTrader
My gosh, man, 6 jumps and 8 ships.......that should take what, maybe an hour?
Gosh man, 6 jumps and 8 ships that I could only think about running back and forth in a pod to get.
I didn't think of using shuttles because I didn't know they existed.
I didn't think of training for an Industrial because I thought it would take weeks.
Maybe I'm lost, but I thought that this is the place where ignorant noobs like me could get straightforward answers to simple questions.
Much thanks to those who contributed. I'm well on my way to training up Min Industrials now. It turns out all the prereqs were fulfilled by the stuff I trained to be a combat pilot. I would never have given the skill a thought without the advice.
Edit: I decided not to go freight because none of my ships have rigs. I'm too noob to have rigs trained and too poor still to buy them. It's on the "short list" after drones, however...
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Ren Nekk
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.01.26 02:17:00 -
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Edited by: Ren Nekk on 26/01/2010 02:19:29
Hey, you're in the right place. And your question was good because it was as straightforward as the answers required.
It was also good (excellent, even) because this is the kind of question that is not easily reducible to a simple game mechanic (although Tiruriku's post is a great example of how game mechanics can become involved) - more a matter of experience. And that's the best kind of question to get answered.
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.01.26 02:39:00 -
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Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 26/01/2010 02:44:26
For courier service, contact Red Frog Freight. They are fast and move anything in hisec.
Few comments on shuttles:
* No skills are required. You can pilot any race's shuttle!
* Shuttles are fairly inexpensive at about 10k ISK average.
* Because shuttles are so cheap, there is no guilt in reprocessing them! Great for one-way trips!
* You can buy shuttles pretty much anywhere, though you are likely to find that Amarr ships are a better deal in Amarr space, Caldari in Caldari space, etc.
* If you need to move shuttles, you are better of buying the BPO and some Tritanium to make them; takes up far less cargo space.
I own a LOT of shuttles. I often leave them behind at old bases of operation in case I return. I always carry one in my Charon and Orca too.
Good luck with the move!
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ThaDollaGenerale
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.01.26 03:11:00 -
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I'll do it for half of red frog. Contract me everything and pay me when I get there. Evemail me with the relevenat details.
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Karox Lominax
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Posted - 2010.01.26 07:09:00 -
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And just remember that any freighter owner worth his salt will give you collateral up front to a large percentage (really, they should give you full price) for the items they take from you.
Anyone who has your stuff in their cargohold has your stuff if they decide to run off with it, and theres nothing you can do to get it back other than blowing up their freighter and hoping it doesnt get picked clean by vultures (both very unlikely prospects)
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Rhaetic
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Posted - 2010.01.26 09:21:00 -
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Originally by: Karox Lominax
And just remember that any freighter owner worth his salt will give you collateral up front to a large percentage (really, they should give you full price) for the items they take from you.
Anyone who has your stuff in their cargohold has your stuff if they decide to run off with it, and theres nothing you can do to get it back other than blowing up their freighter and hoping it doesnt get picked clean by vultures (both very unlikely prospects)
Another reason that I'm training my own industrial skills. No offense to the guy who said he would do it for "half price", but I think I would rather move my own stuff if I'm going to literally move everything that I own.
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Jose Black
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Posted - 2010.01.26 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: Rhaetic
I played with the Search for a good 10 minutes and couldn't get a relevant result.
Maybe a bit OT, but better use www.eve-search.com next time. The built in search is comparatively crappy.
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Desdemona Neptune
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Posted - 2010.01.26 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Tau Cabalander
Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 26/01/2010 02:44:26
For courier service, contact Red Frog Freight. They are fast and move anything in hisec.
Few comments on shuttles:
* No skills are required. You can pilot any race's shuttle!
* Shuttles are fairly inexpensive at about 10k ISK average.
* Because shuttles are so cheap, there is no guilt in reprocessing them! Great for one-way trips!
* You can buy shuttles pretty much anywhere, though you are likely to find that Amarr ships are a better deal in Amarr space, Caldari in Caldari space, etc.
* If you need to move shuttles, you are better of buying the BPO and some Tritanium to make them; takes up far less cargo space.
I own a LOT of shuttles. I often leave them behind at old bases of operation in case I return. I always carry one in my Charon and Orca too.
Good luck with the move!
BE CAREFUL when buying shuttles -- there's a special subclass of EVE dooshbag who sell shuttles for 10,000,000 isk and more, hoping for some newbie or distracted player to buy one without checking the price!
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Mithfindel
Aseyakone
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Posted - 2010.01.26 20:25:00 -
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Also, if you happen to move to a station with a limited supply of shuttles (all ships 'cept the rookie ships are player-made), note that when packaged, shuttles can be transported in many cruisers.
But, if you can fly a cruiser, you very likely can get an industrial ship fast (you even get one from one of the ten-part rookie storylines, I think). All frigates fit into that thing, potentially cutting the trips needed to half if you can fit two. Also, if you have rigged ships, you can place individual courier contracts. Remember to set collateral to the value of those ship in case someone decides not to honour the contract.
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Tiruriku
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Posted - 2010.01.26 20:35:00 -
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Since you are training for an industrial (level 1 or 2 should be fine if you fit Expanded Cargohold II's in the low slots), and don't have rigged ships, you can just repackage everything and most everything should fit in your industrial.
One last suggestion regarding the back and forth with shuttles that might help you in the future. I tend to keep shuttles in several locations, similar to what the other posters mentioned. If I'm at a starbase and I want to move a ship I'll buy a shuttle, fly to where my ship is, repackage the shuttle, put it in the ship, fly to the new station, assemble the shuttle, and repeat.
Sometimes there aren't shuttles available for several jumps and in this case a rookie ship works nearly as well (just a little slower on autopilot). If you leave your ship and take your pod to any station you don't have a ship in you will get a free rookie ship. You can fly that back and forth and just trash it when you are done.
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Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts
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Posted - 2010.01.26 20:47:00 -
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Edited by: Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts on 26/01/2010 20:48:12
It is really funny, but all the time wasted posting here on the forum, and now training for an industrial, you could have easily moved 8 ships 6 jumps many times over...
Oh and BTW, its system not planet...
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Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
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Posted - 2010.01.26 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: ThaDollaGenerale
I'll do it for half of red frog. Contract me everything and pay me when I get there. Evemail me with the relevenat details.
Don't forget the collateral that reflects the worth of the goods being moved 
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Tiruriku
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Posted - 2010.01.26 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts
Edited by: Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts on 26/01/2010 20:48:12
It is really funny, but all the time wasted posting here on the forum, and now training for an industrial, you could have easily moved 8 ships 6 jumps many times over...
Oh and BTW, its system not planet...
It's never a waste to ask a good question in the new players forum. He now knows about rigging, industrials, freighters, shuttles, and various other game mechanics that he was previously unaware of. When he has to move a few million m3 of ore, or a bunch of rigged ships, he'll know what to do.
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Baka Lakadaka
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.01.26 22:52:00 -
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Red Frog is a well respected courier service (their reputation is worth far more than your 8 ships - 800 ships would still not come close the to value of their reputation).
Shuttles repackage down to 500m3 - you can often whack one in your cargohold and fly back in it - e.g. Indy flys to new base with shuttle in hold, fly back in shuttle, pick up BS, put shuttle in BS hold, arrive in new base with BS and shuttle.
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Rhaetic
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Posted - 2010.01.26 23:21:00 -
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Holy crap there is a ton of good information in this thread.
-I didn't know about shuttles.
-I didn't know about the free rookie ships.
-I didn't realize that I could train up Industrials so quickly since I already have the skills from becoming a Cruiser pilot.
-I didn't even think about a hauling contract. I read about how they work (including collateral...) after it was suggested.
All that and only one troll post. Amazing.
I decided to train up Industrials since it's a 4-day investment. Paying someone for a contract now means I would have to do it again when I move in the future.
Thanks to everyone who replied. If anyone has any more suggestions or advice I would be thankful for a post!
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Achura Morachu
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Posted - 2010.01.27 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: Rhaetic
Another reason that I'm training my own industrial skills. No offense to the guy who said he would do it for "half price", but I think I would rather move my own stuff if I'm going to literally move everything that I own.
You're doing good . Make sure you don't haul everything you own in one go using an untanked (or tanked, even) industrial. Murphy's Law dictates you'll jump right into a suiciding smartbombing battleship/bunch of destroyers. On a related note, don't use autopilot.
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Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts
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Posted - 2010.01.27 02:59:00 -
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Originally by: Achura Morachu
You're doing good . Make sure you don't haul everything you own in one go using an untanked (or tanked, even) industrial. Murphy's Law dictates you'll jump right into a suiciding smartbombing battleship/bunch of destroyers. On a related note, don't use autopilot.
If all hes got are a few frigates and cruisers I seriously doubt he is in any danger of being suicide ganked... Other than someone doing it 'for lulz' I guess.
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Vorrto
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Posted - 2010.01.27 03:08:00 -
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I'm amazed at the ridiculous responses in this thread. The guy's new to the game and the advice you're giving is worthless, you're just complicating things.
The ships you have I'll assume you got from the tutorial. Most of them are worthless. At the end of the military campaign, you will have got a frigate, the best frigate available to your faction. During both the business and industry tutorials, you will have got 2-4 frigate-sized mining ships. Keep one, sell/refine/trash the rest. At the end of both the business and industry tutorials you will have got an industrial ship. Sell/refine/trash one, keep the other.
Train Industrial to level 1. If you're Minmatar, then Minmatar Industrial level 1, for Caldari, Caldari Industrial 1, etc. Load your industrial ship up with cargo expander I's, as many as it will take. Load your industrial ship up with ships you want to take. When it's full, take them. When you've dropped them off, come back for the rest.
Forget contracts and shuttles and all this other ridiculous advice other people are giving.
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Rhaetic
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Posted - 2010.01.27 03:55:00 -
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Originally by: Vorrto
I'm amazed at the ridiculous responses in this thread. The guy's new to the game and the advice you're giving is worthless, you're just complicating things.
The ships you have I'll assume you got from the tutorial. Most of them are worthless. At the end of the military campaign, you will have got a frigate, the best frigate available to your faction. During both the business and industry tutorials, you will have got 2-4 frigate-sized mining ships. Keep one, sell/refine/trash the rest. At the end of both the business and industry tutorials you will have got an industrial ship. Sell/refine/trash one, keep the other.
Train Industrial to level 1. If you're Minmatar, then Minmatar Industrial level 1, for Caldari, Caldari Industrial 1, etc. Load your industrial ship up with cargo expander I's, as many as it will take. Load your industrial ship up with ships you want to take. When it's full, take them. When you've dropped them off, come back for the rest.
Forget contracts and shuttles and all this other ridiculous advice other people are giving.
I'm sorry, I think I should have been more clear.
I started my character on trial back in December 2008. This is before you got all that stuff from the tutorial. After playing for one month my life got insane and I did nothing but work for a year.
This past holiday season I saw the deal on Steam to get an account + 30 days for $5 and decided to start back up again. I've enjoyed my time greatly, but didn't get any of the "new tutorial" stuff. I'm also a 2.5mil SP pilot with a few cruisers, a bunch of frigates, and a sizable cache of ammo, armor hardeners, and guns. I've actually been doing missions out of Rens for quite a while now, and am on the verge of moving on to Level 3's.
I don't really want to get rid of any of my Frigates or Cruisers, as I use them for different things. I'm also not moving immediately, so I have time to prepare. That's why I came to the forum to ask the question about the best way to move large amounts of stuff though hi-sec.
I actually think the advice is good for the long-term. The time will come when I have a lot of stuff to move and don't really want to spend weeks moving it. Very little is really explained in EVE -- I actually think that's the biggest failing of CCP, as the average person won't read a Wiki or browse forums to learn how to play a video game.
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Celia Therone
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Posted - 2010.01.27 05:23:00 -
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It depends a little bit on where you're moving but if you're moving to a place that has a decent market then consider just moving your most useful ship and buying new versions of the others, especially the frigates.
If it's 6 jumps out, 6 back plus some messing around in station then that's 15 minutes of flight time (more on autopilot). You can probably earn more than the cost of a frigate in that time running missions.
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ISellThingz
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Posted - 2010.01.27 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: Rhaetic
I'm sorry, I think I should have been more clear.
I started my character on trial back in December 2008. This is before you got all that stuff from the tutorial. After playing for one month my life got insane and I did nothing but work for a year.
This past holiday season I saw the deal on Steam to get an account + 30 days for $5 and decided to start back up again. I've enjoyed my time greatly, but didn't get any of the "new tutorial" stuff. I'm also a 2.5mil SP pilot with a few cruisers, a bunch of frigates, and a sizable cache of ammo, armor hardeners, and guns. I've actually been doing missions out of Rens for quite a while now, and am on the verge of moving on to Level 3's.
I don't really want to get rid of any of my Frigates or Cruisers, as I use them for different things. I'm also not moving immediately, so I have time to prepare. That's why I came to the forum to ask the question about the best way to move large amounts of stuff though hi-sec.
I actually think the advice is good for the long-term. The time will come when I have a lot of stuff to move and don't really want to spend weeks moving it. Very little is really explained in EVE -- I actually think that's the biggest failing of CCP, as the average person won't read a Wiki or browse forums to learn how to play a video game.
Way to complicate stuff.
Dude it's 6 jumps. Flying back and forth with all your ships will take what? An hour top.
Also, you can do the tutorials at any time if you haven't done them before by pressing F12 choosing the appropriate option.
You also don't want to move most of the stuff you have at your old station, recycle the modules you won't use and sell the outcome.
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Cuchulain Spartan
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Posted - 2010.01.27 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Rhaetic
I was afraid that you were going to say something of the sort.
Going off your suggestion, I would have to invest 2-3 days of time into learning Min Industrial 4 to fly the Mammoth. It's starting to look like that is the way to go...
Train for a Bestower, its an amarr ship. Get it to lvl 1 and fit Expanded Cargohold I mods. Will take you less than 12 hours to train it all and you should be able to carry at least 10k m3 |
Frash
Proposition Thirteen
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Posted - 2010.01.27 18:53:00 -
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Every new player goes through this, and it is a pain. What I did was train for a Iteron 4, but then decided to go with a Bestower. With Cargo Expanders II and Cargo expanding rigs (forget the name), I had 21k m3 space. That is enough for 4 packed cruisers.
Or go to the station, buy a bunch of shuttles, and pilot one back to get each ship, then hop in another shuttle, and repeat.
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Rotundone
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Posted - 2010.01.27 20:45:00 -
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Why not use your pod? Seems straight forward. Shuttle management becomes a pain if you choose that route.
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