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M Seldera	Posted - 2010.01.27 09:21:00 - [1] Well, here's what I propose. Set up an alt and offer a prize to the player that gains the most noobship kills on a reputable killboard, of gankers that use cheap gank setups to hit haulers and avoid the killboard postings. Set yourself up at a gank point (usually .5 system entry/exit). Select a ship that is just hanging at the gate, usualy a cruiser or battle cruiser, and be close enough to get a shot in when it ganks a ship. The resulting Concord response is not recorded unless someone is around that will, shoot, ecm or otherwise target the gank ship and get a killmail. While this method doesn't stop the gankers, I am sure there are plenty of clever ideas out there about how to stop these guys/gals from just hi-jacking ships with no record of their ship losses. Remember, while these gankers do earn isk from the kills, there is usually no record of the fact that they also lose a ship in the process on any major killboard. They of course are too cowardly to report the fact that they lost a ship in the process!
Stygian Knight Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.01.27 09:28:00 - [2] in before op lose another ship
Ran Khanon Amarr Vengeance Innovations	Posted - 2010.01.27 09:28:00 - [3] Confirming that having ship losses posted on KB's is every ganker's worst nightmare. This is a very cruel and cunning plan.
Tiberius Skrooem Huwee Skrooem and Howe Solicitors	Posted - 2010.01.27 09:38:00 - [4] Hi there. Tiberius Skrooem here, your friendly internet e-lawyer. For the measly sum of 100 million ISK, I shall send CONCORD a strongly-worded letter to convince them to start posting their kills. Should this not work, I can e-sue them and drag them before the court of e-law for only 50 million ISK per hour of work.
M Seldera	Posted - 2010.01.27 09:42:00 - [5] Originally by: Tiberius Skrooem Hi there. Tiberius Skrooem here, your friendly internet e-lawyer. For the measly sum of 100 million ISK, I shall send CONCORD a strongly-worded letter to convince them to start posting their kills. Should this not work, I can e-sue them and drag them before the court of e-law for only 50 million ISK per hour of work. Just as in RL the lawyers are there to profit off of your misery!
Tiberius Skrooem Huwee Skrooem and Howe Solicitors	Posted - 2010.01.27 09:46:00 - [6] Originally by: M Seldera Originally by: Tiberius Skrooem Hi there. Tiberius Skrooem here, your friendly internet e-lawyer. For the measly sum of 100 million ISK, I shall send CONCORD a strongly-worded letter to convince them to start posting their kills. Should this not work, I can e-sue them and drag them before the court of e-law for only 50 million ISK per hour of work. Just as in RL the lawyers are there to profit off of your misery! Profit? At these rates, I consider it pro bono publico.
M Seldera	Posted - 2010.01.27 09:53:00 - [7] Originally by: Tiberius Skrooem Originally by: M Seldera Originally by: Tiberius Skrooem Hi there. Tiberius Skrooem here, your friendly internet e-lawyer. For the measly sum of 100 million ISK, I shall send CONCORD a strongly-worded letter to convince them to start posting their kills. Should this not work, I can e-sue them and drag them before the court of e-law for only 50 million ISK per hour of work. Just as in RL the lawyers are there to profit off of your misery! Profit? At these rates, I consider it pro bono publico. lol.. okay.. then pro bono it is!
Tiberius Skrooem Huwee Skrooem and Howe Solicitors	Posted - 2010.01.27 10:00:00 - [8] Originally by: M Seldera Originally by: Tiberius Skrooem Originally by: M Seldera Originally by: Tiberius Skrooem Hi there. Tiberius Skrooem here, your friendly internet e-lawyer. For the measly sum of 100 million ISK, I shall send CONCORD a strongly-worded letter to convince them to start posting their kills. Should this not work, I can e-sue them and drag them before the court of e-law for only 50 million ISK per hour of work. Just as in RL the lawyers are there to profit off of your misery! Profit? At these rates, I consider it pro bono publico. lol.. okay.. then pro bono it is! Very good... If you could just wire me the 100 million, then?
M Seldera	Posted - 2010.01.27 10:18:00 - [9] lol.. okay.. then pro bono it is! Very good... If you could just wire me the 100 million, then? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_bono_publico yeah, okay... goon. Pro bono publico meaning for the public good. And without charge. Yeah, that would be a goon thing to ask isk for!
Tiberius Skrooem Huwee Skrooem and Howe Solicitors	Posted - 2010.01.27 10:36:00 - [10] Originally by: M Seldera Originally by: Tiberius Skrooem Originally by: M Seldera lol.. okay.. then pro bono it is! Very good... If you could just wire me the 100 million, then? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_bono_publico yeah, okay... goon. Pro bono publico meaning for the public good. And without charge. Yeah, that would be a goon thing to ask isk for! Nowhere in that wikipedia page or otherwise does it say that work for the public good must be unpaid work. I assure you my normal fees are rather higher than the deal I offered you. I further don't see how you arrived at the erroneous conclusion that I must be a goon. Did my corporation join Goonswarm while I wasn't looking?

M Seldera	Posted - 2010.01.27 10:45:00 - [11] I further don't see how you arrived at the erroneous conclusion that I must be a goon. Did my corporation join Goonswarm while I wasn't looking? You are correct. In the most literal sense, like the worst case your charging for 'pro bono' services should be forwarded to the nearest appropriate Concord office or other governance to seek expenses for your services, should you actually be on the winning side of the case. In the case of actual 'Goonswarm'membership, was not meant as a literal sense, merely a case of associated tactics.
Tuberider Caldari Pothouse Cartel IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.01.27 11:09:00 - [12] Coward in the same way that you must post with an alt to hide your identity ? Thanks for Your Stuff
M Seldera	Posted - 2010.01.27 11:19:00 - [13] Edited by: M Seldera on 27/01/2010 11:20:27 Edited by: M Seldera on 27/01/2010 11:20:01 Originally by: Tuberider Coward in the same way that you must post with an alt to hide your identity ? hmmm.. not hard to answer.. as my main would be trounced in a pile of alts. You are correct in saying that this is an alt. What, so I should post with my main, to have your alt target him/her for retribution. If you think I am waging a war of honor you are incorrect. I am waging a war of 'Evening'..n. to make the 'badasses' that hide behind gank kills accountable for what they do.
Tiberius Skrooem Huwee Skrooem and Howe Solicitors	Posted - 2010.01.27 11:22:00 - [14] Originally by: M Seldera You are correct. In the most literal sense, like the worst case your charging for 'pro bono' services should be forwarded to the nearest appropriate Concord office or other governance to seek expenses for your services, should you actually be on the winning side of the case. I have, in the past, contacted CONCORD about this. They refuse to pay. Originally by: M Seldera In the case of actual 'Goonswarm'membership, was not meant as a literal sense, merely a case of associated tactics. Considering the reputation of Goonswarm amongst the general public, am I to understand this is an attempt at defamation of character?
Haramir Haleths Caldari Nutella Bande	Posted - 2010.01.27 11:27:00 - [15] You know ... Killboards are not part of the game. Its some kind 3rd party support tools that wont be used by Concord.
Tuberider Caldari Pothouse Cartel IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.01.27 11:28:00 - [16] Originally by: M Seldera Edited by: M Seldera on 27/01/2010 11:20:27 Edited by: M Seldera on 27/01/2010 11:20:01 Originally by: Tuberider Coward in the same way that you must post with an alt to hide your identity ? hmmm.. not hard to answer.. as my main would be trounced in a pile of alts. You are correct in saying that this is an alt. What, so I should post with my main, to have your alt target him/her for retribution. If you think I am waging a war of honor you are incorrect. I am waging a war of 'Evening'..n. to make the 'badasses' that hide behind gank kills accountable for what they do. COWARD post with your main Thanks for Your Stuff
Tiberius Skrooem Huwee Skrooem and Howe Solicitors	Posted - 2010.01.27 11:29:00 - [17] Originally by: Haramir Haleths You know ... Killboards are not part of the game. Its some kind 3rd party support tools that wont be used by Concord. Regardless, my offer stands. Impossible or not, I shall make my best attempt, if paid. Originally by: Tiberius Skrooem For the measly sum of 100 million ISK, I shall send CONCORD a strongly-worded letter to convince them to start posting their kills. Should this not work, I can e-sue them and drag them before the court of e-law for only 50 million ISK per hour of work.
Winterjack	Posted - 2010.01.27 11:31:00 - [18] Originally by: M Seldera Remember, while these gankers do earn isk from the kills, there is usually no record of the fact that they also lose a ship in the process on any major killboard. They of course are too cowardly to report the fact that they lost a ship in the process! I can't begin to define the amount of fail I see in this post.
M Seldera	Posted - 2010.01.27 11:37:00 - [19] Originally by: M Seldera In the case of actual 'Goonswarm'membership, was not meant as a literal sense, merely a case of associated tactics. Considering the reputation of Goonswarm amongst the general public, am I to understand this is an attempt at defamation of character? I cannot speak for the population of eve. I have referenced you to where you may seek payment if you believe such is due for your 'pro bono' work, which at this point has not been accepted, due to the implicit charge of fees that you have implied. I
M Seldera	Posted - 2010.01.27 11:58:00 - [20] Originally by: Winterjack Originally by: M Seldera Remember, while these gankers do earn isk from the kills, there is usually no record of the fact that they also lose a ship in the process on any major killboard. They of course are too cowardly to report the fact that they lost a ship in the process! I can't begin to define the amount of fail I see in this post. and you are completely free to post such nonsensical responses to this post. Kill boards are not accurate. Especially so because of the fact that they are 3rd party hosted sites. My Point is to lay it out for the people that read this post. Gankers Exist in High Security space. One way to make them accountable is to have ships shoot at them. The cheapest way to do this is to use noob ships to hit them as they gank and therefore have a killmail associated with the kills that they commit. Or do you rather have ganks continue to be underreported.

Tiberius Skrooem Huwee Skrooem and Howe Solicitors	Posted - 2010.01.27 12:32:00 - [21] Originally by: M Seldera Originally by: Tiberius Skrooem Considering the reputation of Goonswarm amongst the general public, am I to understand this is an attempt at defamation of character? I cannot speak for the population of eve. I have referenced you to where you may seek payment if you believe such is due for your 'pro bono' work, which at this point has not been accepted, due to the implicit charge of fees that you have implied. The fees aren't implicit. I made an offer, that I still consider pro bono publico. Pro bono has never meant free, per sT. It is not reasonable to expect me to offer my services for free. As for the Goonswarm comment, you did choose to equate me and my 'tactics' to a member of Goonswarm in a public forum. If not an attempt to defame, could you please explain your reasoning for this equation?
Discrodia Gallente Green Peace Inc.	Posted - 2010.01.27 12:52:00 - [22] Edited by: Discrodia on 27/01/2010 12:52:44 Okay, what the OP seems not to grasp is that gankers e-peens are not in any way shrunk by deathmails. Just like I don't give a crap that I have twice as many deaths as kills and still consider myself a pretty good PvPer. Ergo: OP needs a major change of tactics. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Locked, thread is filled with trolling.
Amy Platt	Posted - 2010.01.27 13:48:00 - [23] New Eden needs more lawyers.
Crucible5 Caldari The Naked Peas Group Plc.	Posted - 2010.01.27 13:52:00 - [24] Originally by: M Seldera Edited by: M Seldera on 27/01/2010 10:50:26 Stuff The sooner you realise EVE is a sandbox, and high sec isn't as safe as you would like to believe. Everything that happens in EVE makes it unique and thats why we all enjoy playing this unique game!
FunzzeR Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.01.27 14:00:00 - [25] All of this has happened before, all of this will happen again.. PRAISE THE SCOTTISH FOLD!! THEIR WILL SHALL BE DONE!!
Winterjack	Posted - 2010.01.27 14:10:00 - [26] Edited by: Winterjack on 27/01/2010 14:10:11 Originally by: M Seldera Originally by: Winterjack I can't begin to define the amount of fail I see in this post. and you are completely free to post such nonsensical responses to this post. Thank you for your benevolence. Quote: Kill boards are not accurate. Especially so because of the fact that they are 3rd party hosted sites. My Point is to lay it out for the people that read this post. Ok let's put it in simpler words. 1. Ganks sometimes kill the target; 2. Ganks always kill the ganker; 3. Ganks often are performed by... gangs. So, barred the small number of discoganks where a number of miners are killed by the same set of smartbombs... there is no chance to have more kills than deaths. Anyone knows that. That is why they are called SUICIDE Ganks: cuz you die. If you think posting their death will change anything, you're deluded. I agree: killboards are inaccurate. So? Quote: Gankers Exist in High Security space. One way to make them accountable is to have ships shoot at them. The cheapest way to do this is to use noob ships to hit them as they gank and therefore have a killmail associated with the kills that they commit. So what you suggest is wasting your time in a noobship waiting for a gank to happen, so that you can get a killmail that says that the SUICIDE ganker got SUICIDED? Well, if you really have nothing else to do in EVE, I suppose that's as good a way to spend $15 as any other. Quote: Or do you rather have ganks continue to be underreported. Underreported. I don't understand how posting a ganker's deaths would be a "report" on a gank. They might just as well claim to have been ganked, if anyone really gave a damn about it. And what would this "report" accomplish? Who would profit from it? How would this stop or discourage ganks? What you propose requires time; and time in eve is money. Unless you can prove it will either make or save money for me, that's just a deluded post. You really think that having a website post the ganker's deaths would deter them? EDIT: quoting.
Grunanca Final Agony	Posted - 2010.01.27 14:28:00 - [27] Originally by: M Seldera Edited by: M Seldera on 27/01/2010 10:50:26 The Main point of this is to give voice to those who don't believe that piracy should be given free reign in high security space! Well, here's what I propose. Set up an alt and offer a prize to the player that gains the most noobship kills on a reputable killboard, of gankers that use cheap gank setups to hit haulers and avoid the killboard postings. Set yourself up at a gank point (usually .5 system entry/exit). Select a ship that is just hanging at the gate, usualy a cruiser or battle cruiser, and be close enough to get a shot in when it ganks a ship. The resulting Concord response is not recorded unless someone is around that will, shoot, ecm or otherwise target the gank ship and get a killmail. While this method doesn't stop the gankers, I am sure there are plenty of clever ideas out there about how to stop these guys/gals from just hi-jacking ships with no record of their ship losses. Remember, while these gankers do earn isk from the kills, there is usually no record of the fact that they also lose a ship in the process on any major killboard. They of course are too cowardly to report the fact that they lost a ship in the process! I would get this really satisfied feeling when you realized how much time of your life, you just spend to have no influence on my gameplay whatsoever. But hey, small minds, small pleasures! Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
Normin Bates	Posted - 2010.01.27 15:24:00 - [28] Omgz! If my losses were listed on a "reputable" KillBoard I would rage quit. 'Cause if my corp mates knew that I was losing ships whilst performing a suicide gank...well, the ridicule would be unbearable!
FlyinS Caldari New Eden Redistribution	Posted - 2010.01.27 15:55:00 - [29] Heck I wish my suicide gank losses were posted on a killboard. It would be like a trophy.
Divaere Frenian New Eden Redistribution Dhanab Syndicate	Posted - 2010.01.27 17:15:00 - [30] Quote: Heck I wish my suicide gank losses were posted on a killboard. It would be like a trophy. You mean like this? http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=9134130 http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=9134138 I know that now that I've posted my loss mail for all to see, I'm going to have to hang up my suicide ganking hat forever. (It's cute that Battleclinic doesn't mention those pesky CONCORD guys in their killmails.)



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