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Direstorm
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Posted - 2010.01.28 05:02:00 -
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So, given a low class wormhole with a perma link to hi sec that can fit an orca but not a freighter, what's the best way to make money with POS's? Reactions? Something else?
This particular WH seems like it's almost dry on sleepers and ore...but it does have a perma link to hi sec.
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.01.28 05:08:00 -
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Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 28/01/2010 05:12:00
If it doesn't have a static to w-space as well as hisec, it has limited value.
You can do reactions and drug manufacturing, but that's about it.
Research, invention, and manufacturing too of course. But a hisec POS would be safer and more convenient.
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AnnaPP
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Posted - 2010.01.28 14:04:00 -
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 Originally by: Tau Cabalander
Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 28/01/2010 05:12:00
If it doesn't have a static to w-space as well as hisec, it has limited value.
You can do reactions and drug manufacturing, but that's about it.
Research, invention, and manufacturing too of course. But a hisec POS would be safer and more convenient.
Correct but I dont agree HS POS is safer cos if you drop a POS in c1 w-space(large tower) than bs cant enter it so you would need LOTS of bc's to even have any chance to pop large tower even than you would fail if gunners werent stupid. HS POS can be shot by anyone who wardec you...
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Marcus Gideon
Gallente
Federal Defense Operations
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Posted - 2010.01.28 15:10:00 -
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What class of WH is it?
Depending on how often you've checked it out, sites change all the time.
Our POS doesn't "make" money except by providing sanctuary, storing ships and ore, and on rare occasion reprocessing said ore (when someone doesn't have enough patience to haul it out for a decent yield).
But I'm pretty sure it's earning its keep just with those services. |
Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.01.28 18:49:00 -
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Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 28/01/2010 18:50:52
Originally by: AnnaPP
Correct but I dont agree HS POS is safer cos if you drop a POS in c1 w-space(large tower) than bs cant enter it so you would need LOTS of bc's to even have any chance to pop large tower even than you would fail if gunners werent stupid. HS POS can be shot by anyone who wardec you...
In hisec, I've never had random pirates shooting at my ships. Entering w-space from hisec, you are most vulnerable until you reach warp and are on your way to your POS bubble. Especially if you are in a large ship like an Orca, and find yourself out of range to jump back through.
Sure you can be wardec'd in hisec, but that's 24 hours of notice which gives you a lot of options on how you will respond.
I live in a C2. It's like a perpetual wardec. I accept pirate attacks and possible ship loss as the price of living there. So far I've evaded all attacks, narrowly in some cases, but I know one of these days my fully filled Orca will probably be popped.
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Joghurt Drink
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Posted - 2010.01.29 11:23:00 -
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Edited by: Joghurt Drink on 29/01/2010 11:24:11
Originally by: Tau Cabalander
Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 28/01/2010 18:50:52
Originally by: AnnaPP
Correct but I dont agree HS POS is safer cos if you drop a POS in c1 w-space(large tower) than bs cant enter it so you would need LOTS of bc's to even have any chance to pop large tower even than you would fail if gunners werent stupid. HS POS can be shot by anyone who wardec you...
In hisec, I've never had random pirates shooting at my ships. Entering w-space from hisec, you are most vulnerable until you reach warp and are on your way to your POS bubble. Especially if you are in a large ship like an Orca, and find yourself out of range to jump back through.
Sure you can be wardec'd in hisec, but that's 24 hours of notice which gives you a lot of options on how you will respond.
I live in a C2. It's like a perpetual wardec. I accept pirate attacks and possible ship loss as the price of living there. So far I've evaded all attacks, narrowly in some cases, but I know one of these days my fully filled Orca will probably be popped.
Your doing it wrong. Send a scout first then get the orca in. And you have to be very very unlucky to be caught despite the scout and not be in range to jump back. Tbh im alot more worried undocking in jita 4-4 than entering WHs from highsec. Lowsec WH entrances on the other hand are something else entirely cause people can simply jump back with you and kill you there.
Edit: Besides annaPP was talking about the safety of the pos itself, not the people.
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Jack Norris
Caldari
The Society of Silence
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Posted - 2010.01.29 23:41:00 -
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Originally by: Joghurt Drink
Edited by: Joghurt Drink on 29/01/2010 11:24:11
Originally by: Tau Cabalander
Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 28/01/2010 18:50:52
Originally by: AnnaPP
Correct but I dont agree HS POS is safer cos if you drop a POS in c1 w-space(large tower) than bs cant enter it so you would need LOTS of bc's to even have any chance to pop large tower even than you would fail if gunners werent stupid. HS POS can be shot by anyone who wardec you...
In hisec, I've never had random pirates shooting at my ships. Entering w-space from hisec, you are most vulnerable until you reach warp and are on your way to your POS bubble. Especially if you are in a large ship like an Orca, and find yourself out of range to jump back through.
Sure you can be wardec'd in hisec, but that's 24 hours of notice which gives you a lot of options on how you will respond.
I live in a C2. It's like a perpetual wardec. I accept pirate attacks and possible ship loss as the price of living there. So far I've evaded all attacks, narrowly in some cases, but I know one of these days my fully filled Orca will probably be popped.
Your doing it wrong. Send a scout first then get the orca in. And you have to be very very unlucky to be caught despite the scout and not be in range to jump back. Tbh im alot more worried undocking in jita 4-4 than entering WHs from highsec. Lowsec WH entrances on the other hand are something else entirely cause people can simply jump back with you and kill you there.
Edit: Besides annaPP was talking about the safety of the pos itself, not the people.
Insta warp bookmark ftw
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EDDIEisFICTION
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Posted - 2010.02.17 07:21:00 -
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To be honest, wormhole space is useless unless you are in a class 4 for POS set ups. Any class below a 4, you might as well just come in and raid for the day and leave. With a class 4 you always have a class 3 exit, which leads to a low sec exit normally 1-2 jumps from a high sec area. About once every 5 days or so, youll get a c2 from that c3 that goes to a high sec exit. Once you get to a class 4 wormhole, you will want the biggest refinery possible and just mine the good ores, unless you plan on manufacturing there. Otherwise if you nail a class 5, you can run rorqs and carriers through. If you are in a class 2 man, you really are wasting your time and might as well set up in high sec.
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Icanti
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Posted - 2010.02.17 10:35:00 -
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Edited by: Icanti on 17/02/2010 10:41:35
Originally by: EDDIEisFICTION
To be honest, wormhole space is useless unless you are in a class 4 for POS set ups. Any class below a 4, you might as well just come in and raid for the day and leave. With a class 4 you always have a class 3 exit, which leads to a low sec exit normally 1-2 jumps from a high sec area. About once every 5 days or so, youll get a c2 from that c3 that goes to a high sec exit. Once you get to a class 4 wormhole, you will want the biggest refinery possible and just mine the good ores, unless you plan on manufacturing there. Otherwise if you nail a class 5, you can run rorqs and carriers through. If you are in a class 2 man, you really are wasting your time and might as well set up in high sec.
Yes but some corps might not have the standings for a highsec pos, don't want to grind for standings, or don't all want to leave to allow standings to climb based on one member.
I can see the advantages of a POS in a C1 wh which always has an exit to highsec.
I'll just add as an edit.....
With a C1 wh, what ship types can you fit through? Can you fit say an Iteron V through multiple times? The main issue would be refuelling the pos and also getting the components of the POS in there.
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Destroperuk
Auctoritas Fleet
Auctoritas Empire
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Posted - 2010.02.17 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: EDDIEisFICTION
With a class 4 you always have a class 3 exit
what
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Carl Lutz
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Posted - 2010.02.17 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Icanti
I can see the advantages of a POS in a C1 wh which always has an exit to highsec.
Not always the case. I lived in a c1 that didn't have a highsec exit but a lowsec. Granted it was usually only one or two jumps from high sec in a non-populated area so it was like highsec.
I'll just add as an edit.....
Originally by: Icanti
With a C1 wh, what ship types can you fit through? Can you fit say an Iteron V through multiple times? The main issue would be refuelling the pos and also getting the components of the POS in there.
A c1 wh can fit anything at or below 20mil kg with max of 1 billion kg. An Iteron V is 11.75 mil kg, so yes it can make a few trips.
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pittom
The Phoenix Enclave
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Posted - 2010.02.18 08:48:00 -
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Originally by: EDDIEisFICTION
With a class 4 you always have a class 3 exit, which leads to a low sec exit normally 1-2 jumps from a high sec area. About once every 5 days or so, youll get a c2 from that c3 that goes to a high sec exit.
The force is not strong with this one!
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Nolana Kane
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Posted - 2010.02.20 00:24:00 -
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We are a small corp living in a c1 with a static high sec exit and find that worthwhile and rewarding, especially since we are not playing all the time like you crazies :)
We are still figuring out if the medium POS pays for itself using Reactions and the occasional T3 material.
So far (2 weeks now) we are close to return on investment, but respawns are pretty slow, so we can clean out the WH in an hour or so.
We get some visitors through the static WH, which makes for entertaining hide&seek PvP.
If we feel comfortable with all this (and the time investment), we will upgrade to a c3 and a large POS.
I find that living in w-space is perfect for small corps that have no interest in 0.0 or low-sec, but got bored of hi-sec. |
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