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Carlani Hudson	Posted - 2010.01.31 12:07:00 - [31] My, if Vikarion said so, then it has to be true, isn't it ? I'll note with a certain... amusement, that the only entities to support Moira so far are the ones that have experiences in Placid and with the ILF.
Seriphyn Inhonores Gallente Eleutherian Guard	Posted - 2010.01.31 13:49:00 - [32] Following the trend of Federal capsuleer corps announcing their stance, the Eleutherian Guard is maintaining a strictly neutral stance on current events. Federation Navy intelligence as well as our own RoE currently identify the Intaki Liberation Front as a "civilian" organization, and thus cannot be considered valid targets at this time. Lt Gen Seriphyn Inhonores (EL-G CO)
Souvera Corvus SPORADIC MOVEMENT Cult of War	Posted - 2010.01.31 14:30:00 - [33] Edited by: Souvera Corvus on 31/01/2010 14:30:58 When the ILF applaud a selection of vocal Federation paramilitaries for censuring Moira for unpatriotic activity, I know that the cluster has gone to hell in a handcart. And Strix still talk a lot for a bunch with a history of association with Ishukone. The ILF are a terrorist group whose ultimate aim is secession from the Federation without the consent of the Intaki people and through force of arms. Moira are entirely correct to do what they have to date.
Apollonius Verus Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative	Posted - 2010.01.31 15:37:00 - [34] Quote: I'll note with a certain... amusement, that the only entities to support Moira so far are the ones that have experiences in Placid and with the ILF. Amusement is a peculiar reaction for someone who has just been labeled by her fellow militia members as a terrorist. Quote: The ILF are a terrorist group whose ultimate aim is secession from the Federation without the consent of the Intaki people and through force of arms. This is factually untrue. Having long ago recognized the failure of the Federation to meet the basic needs and rights of the citizens of Intaki Prime and surrounding areas in the Placid Region, indeed having recently disenfranchised the Intaki by stripping them of their voting rights, the ILF proposes and has long proposed an alternative path which is peaceful separation and the formation of an independent state in the region. Your unsupported, biased statement does not convince anyone of anything. It especially says nothing to the matter at hand, which is the fabricated war being prosecuted against a neutral party by Moira. View the Intaki Homeworld Webcam at www.ilfcorp.com
Vincent Death Hyasyoda External Security Trade and Development	Posted - 2010.01.31 16:11:00 - [35] Originally by: Carlani Hudson My, if Vikarion said so, then it has to be true, isn't it ? My, if Julianus Soter said so, then it has to be true. If there is evidence that ILF are passing intel to STPRO pilots in Placid, I would be eager to see it. I would be eager to take my fellow pilots to task for not sharing this intel with me when I have been operating in the Placid region. When we are told that the intel exists, but cannot be shared for unknown reasons are we not wise to be sceptical? But when a fine, upstanding individual like Val Erian, completely unbiased in this conflict, asserts that it is true who are we to question it? Why should we let a simple thing such as evidence derail the spread of this pointless and wasteful war? I would like to thank Julianus Soter. Surely he has shown us the true virtues of the Gallente Federation.
Mort Eveson Gallente Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative	Posted - 2010.01.31 16:14:00 - [36] Edited by: Mort Eveson on 31/01/2010 16:24:07 Originally by: Souvera Corvus The ILF are a terrorist group whose ultimate aim is secession from the Federation without the consent of the Intaki people and through force of arms. I will point out the factual errors in that statement and address the misrepresentations or misunderstands within it. We are not a terrorist organisation: We have not committed any terrorist activities, we do not attack neutrals, we do not attack civilians. No action of the ILF could be labelled as terrorism. We do promote secession from the Federation: We promote peaceful independence from the Federation, we support giving the Intaki people the opportunity to have freedom. More so now that their voting rights, and therefore their representation, have been removed. We cannot however force the Intaki people to be free, nor would we want to, we simply want to give them the opportunity to choose. We want peaceful separation: The ILF policy always has been and always will be that independence must be gained peacefully. All who have tried violent independence have failed and been overwhelmed by their own violence. In addition violence is not the Intaki way, so what would be the point in using violence to gain an Intaki nation? That is not to say we do not use violence at times; we will defend ourselves if attacked and we will try and drive pirates out of Intaki. We championed the cause of Intaki Independence long before this war started, asking the Federation to at least allow the Intaki people to vote on the issue. We were ignored. We believe Intaki deserve defence, protection and economic growth and are not content for our home world to be left as a backwater, infested by pirates. "" Visit us on http://www.ilfcorp.com/
Souvera Corvus SPORADIC MOVEMENT Cult of War	Posted - 2010.02.01 01:34:00 - [37] Originally by: Mort Eveson Edited by: Mort Eveson on 31/01/2010 16:24:07 Originally by: Souvera Corvus The ILF are a terrorist group whose ultimate aim is secession from the Federation without the consent of the Intaki people and through force of arms. I will point out the factual errors in that statement and address the misrepresentations or misunderstands within it. We are not a terrorist organisation: We have not committed any terrorist activities, we do not attack neutrals, we do not attack civilians. No action of the ILF could be labelled as terrorism. We do promote secession from the Federation: We promote peaceful independence from the Federation, we support giving the Intaki people the opportunity to have freedom. More so now that their voting rights, and therefore their representation, have been removed. We cannot however force the Intaki people to be free, nor would we want to, we simply want to give them the opportunity to choose. We want peaceful separation: The ILF policy always has been and always will be that independence must be gained peacefully. All who have tried violent independence have failed and been overwhelmed by their own violence. In addition violence is not the Intaki way, so what would be the point in using violence to gain an Intaki nation? That is not to say we do not use violence at times; we will defend ourselves if attacked and we will try and drive pirates out of Intaki. We championed the cause of Intaki Independence long before this war started, asking the Federation to at least allow the Intaki people to vote on the issue. We were ignored. We believe Intaki deserve defence, protection and economic growth and are not content for our home world to be left as a backwater, infested by pirates. You provide assistance to the Caldari, which at the very least is Treason and grounds for being treated as hostile. You are, in effect, guilty of hostile operations against those ostensibly neutral. Whether by proxy or not, by missile or intel, the result is the same. Presumably once a referendum is held, as I believe it should be incidentally, and the wish of the Intaki to remain within the Federation is baldly stated, you will accept the result with good grace?
Lief Siddhe Siddhean Inc.	Posted - 2010.02.01 02:57:00 - [38] Pilot Corvus, I still need to see any evidence of ILF actively helping Protectorate pilots in destroying Federation assets. Furthermore, I wonder how the political climate on Intaki is going to develop. Yes, the secessionists are a minority, but after the occupation of Intaki system by Protectorate forces and Intaki citizens being denied the right to vote on the last presidential elections, things aren't exactly looking peachy. I am sorry to say that it seems things will turn much uglier before they get any better for the Intaki people. It's up to Roden and the Senate to make the next move, one that would FINALLY show any progress made in improving the Intaki situation, because these last few years sure as hell showed none. The ILF, as much as I know them, seek to remove pirates from Intaki and surrounding systems and help the economy of the planet. Your petty wars don't concern them. .-.-.-. I was somewhere around Old Man Star, on the edge of Essence, when drugs began to take hold...
Mort Eveson Gallente Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative	Posted - 2010.02.01 18:04:00 - [39] Originally by: Souvera Corvus You provide assistance to the Caldari A statement that still does not have evidence to support it and is untrue. Not attacking them does not equal assisting them. Elements of the ILF supported the Caldari in the past: those elements were removed. Originally by: Souvera Corvus Presumably once a referendum is held, as I believe it should be incidentally, and the wish of the Intaki to remain within the Federation is baldly stated, you will accept the result with good grace? Yes I would. However I would still remain to encourage economic growth in Intaki and to prevent piracy if these issues were not dealt with. Simply because my people disagree with my political view doesn't mean I would abandon them. I think it may surprise you if such a referendum was held, but sadly I don't see the Federation government letting either of us find out anytime soon. "" Visit us on http://www.ilfcorp.com/
Andreus LeHane Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.02.04 00:54:00 - [40] MXD condemns this condemnation by Strix A&D. Please stop defending a known traitor organisation. -----
AncientGuardian Gallente Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative	Posted - 2010.02.04 03:53:00 - [41] Originally by: Andreus LeHane MXD condemns this condemnation by Strix A&D. Please stop defending a known traitor organisation. were not a traitor organization. however, Moria is a pirate organization. You call us Traitors. Not so. But what should we call the Federation, who have denied the Intaki and all surrounding areas their voice in the so called Federation? The ILF Seeks to give the Intaki a voice, a choice to determine their destiny, their fate, however, the Federation seeks to remove any voice of individuality. If we are traitors for wanting our people to be heard, then so be it. Moira has been declared a pirate and terrorist organization for defending those actions. and laying blame on a civilian organization for 'flipping' systems to their enemies. and also blaming a civilian organization for their failure to defend themselves when an STPRO corporation saw Intaki "flip" to another side. Quote: 'Last night I played a blank tape at full blast. The mime next door went nuts' Quote: If I ever saw an amputee getting hanged, I would start yelling out letters.
Andreus LeHane Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.02.04 12:02:00 - [42] Originally by: AncientGuardian were not a traitor organization. Apostrophes and capitalisation cost less than ridicule. Please use them. And for the record, yes you are - you're attempting a secession that the people of Intaki avowedly do not want, while claiming to "give them a voice". You're also planning, by your own leader's admission, to steal territory from the Federation which the Intaki people have no historical claim to in order to facilitate this secession. Originally by: AncientGuardian however, Moria is a pirate organization. CONCORD firmly disagrees. You know that their actions are entirely legal. Originally by: AncientGuardian You call us Traitors. Not so. But what should we call the Federation, who have denied the Intaki and all surrounding areas their voice in the so called Federation? Desperate times call for desperate measures. While I disagree with the measure, it's not like the ILF provided any assistance to the Federation to assist in securing the region. Perhaps if you were as dedicated to defending Intaki from invaders as you were to dumping supplies worthlessly in space and pretending that it's doing some good this wouldn't be an issue. Originally by: AncientGuardian The ILF Seeks to give the Intaki a voice, a choice to determine their destiny, their fate, The Intaki have, many times, stated a majority wish to stay with the Federation. I shouldn't have to repeat myself as often as I do. Originally by: AncientGuardian Moira has been declared a pirate and terrorist organization for defending those actions Only by you and your cronies. -----
Havohej Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.02.04 12:19:00 - [43] Edited by: Havohej on 04/02/2010 12:22:44 Originally by: Andreus LeHane And for the record, yes you are - you're attempting a secession that the people of Intaki avowedly do not want, while claiming to "give them a voice". You're avowing that people have avowed things that haven't been avowed. Shut the **** up. You've all gone around and around this 'point' since the militia act and the hostilities it sanctions began. There has been little to no actual news from Intaki's planetside government 'avowing' anything. It takes more to prove a point than just making something up and repeating it ad nauseum. Du'uma Fiisi is Recruiting
Ajax Smith	Posted - 2010.02.04 13:00:00 - [44] Edited by: Ajax Smith on 04/02/2010 13:01:53 EDIT for technofear
Ajax Smith	Posted - 2010.02.04 13:07:00 - [45] Originally by: Andreus LeHane Originally by: AncientGuardian were not a traitor organization. Apostrophes and capitalisation cost less than ridicule. Please use them. And for the record, yes you are - you're attempting a secession that the people of Intaki avowedly do not want, while claiming to "give them a voice". You're also planning, by your own leader's admission, to steal territory from the Federation which the Intaki people have no historical claim to in order to facilitate this secession. Originally by: AncientGuardian however, Moria is a pirate organization. CONCORD firmly disagrees. You know that their actions are entirely legal. Originally by: AncientGuardian You call us Traitors. Not so. But what should we call the Federation, who have denied the Intaki and all surrounding areas their voice in the so called Federation? Desperate times call for desperate measures. While I disagree with the measure, it's not like the ILF provided any assistance to the Federation to assist in securing the region. Perhaps if you were as dedicated to defending Intaki from invaders as you were to dumping supplies worthlessly in space and pretending that it's doing some good this wouldn't be an issue. Originally by: AncientGuardian The ILF Seeks to give the Intaki a voice, a choice to determine their destiny, their fate, The Intaki have, many times, stated a majority wish to stay with the Federation. I shouldn't have to repeat myself as often as I do. Originally by: AncientGuardian Moira has been declared a pirate and terrorist organization for defending those actions Only by you and your cronies. I don't speak for everyone in the ILF, only for myself as an individual. But it seems that, with your penultimate point, you have finally grasped what I, and, I suspect, many of my corpmates feel. As has been pointed out many times in the various threads on this subject, our RoE are quite clear, and available for all to see. That and the fact that, as this sorry, pointless war has proved, any involvement on either side of the larger conflict is absolutely not in the ILF's interests, and - I'll say it again - not in our intentions. How many times do WE have to repeat ourselves? And you know what? Again, I speak for myself and not the ILF - I am no lover of the State. I despise corporate fascism. The Gallente have taught we Intaki much, the value of freedom, of democracy. I am sure you don't need me to tell you the Federation's virtues. Yet, many of you in the FDU despise us for holding an opinion which has come about purely as a result of the Federation's neglect of our home. And, all the while, the Caldari, despite the evils of The State, treat us with civility and respect. You then use the fact that we have friends who just happen to be Caldari as "evidence" against us. And then you wonder why we don't share your vision of what is best for Intaki and the Placid region. But, as you have made perfectly clear, you don't care what we have to say. And, who knows, if you and YOUR cronies keep throwing enough mud, some of it is bound to stick
Andreus LeHane Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.02.04 13:19:00 - [46] Originally by: Havohej You're avowing that people have avowed things that haven't been avowed. Read the Interstellar Correspondents backissues. It's stated in several different articles that the majority of the Intaki want to stay in the Federation. I really can't be bothered to find them for you. Why don't you spend the time to do it yourself? It doesn't seem that you've had any other pressing matters on your hands recently... or ever. Originally by: Havohej Shut the **** up. Hahaha. No. You don't tell me what to do, boy. You may think you're hot stuff because you rolled with Star Fraction at one point but let me make this very clear - I say what I want, when I want. The Amarrians couldn't stop me, the Caldari couldn't stop me, General Tso's Alliance couldn't stop me, every mercenary Revan Neferis sent against me didn't have a chance, so let me state it - I know six languages. I can speak them all fluently. The one thing I can do well is talk, so if you'd like me to shut up, you're going to have to do a lot better than mixing expletives with an order you don't have the authority or the muscle to give. The last few people who wanted to shut me up at least had the decency to spend more than four words doing it. -----
Havohej Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.02.04 13:54:00 - [47] Originally by: Andreus LeHane You may think you're hot stuff because you rolled with Star Fraction at one point We were hot stuff before Star Fraction. Still are. Originally by: Andreus LeHane The last few people who wanted to let me know they wanted me to shut up at least had the decency to spend more than four words doing it. Your 'corporation' has four pilots, including you - a worthless rookie IGS mouthpiece. If you feel strongly about it, wardec us. I can't be bothered to try chasing four people around without sufficient motivation. You can speak as many languages as you please, as fluently as you please. I only need to tell you to shut the **** up in one. Also, you can't rest your Pro-Fed case entirely on out-dated reports published prior to the disenfranchisement. They're no longer relevant in any meaningful context. Du'uma Fiisi is Recruiting
Apollonius Verus Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative	Posted - 2010.02.04 14:42:00 - [48] Quote: Apostrophes and capitalisation cost less than ridicule. Please use them. Quote: Hahaha. No. You don't tell me what to do, boy. Quote: General Tso's Alliance couldn't stop me, every mercenary Revan Neferis sent against me didn't have a chance, so let me state it - I know six languages. I can speak them all fluently... This one is even more of a pathological egotist than Gen. Soter. What kind of admissions standards does the FDU militia have these days anyway? Certainly neither are doing much to improve the image of the Federation. View the Intaki Homeworld Webcam at www.ilfcorp.com
Andreus LeHane Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.02.04 15:20:00 - [49] Originally by: Havohej Your 'corporation' has four pilots, including you - a worthless rookie IGS mouthpiece. If you feel strongly about it Oh no, we don't feel strongly. Apparently you do, though, if what we're saying is offensive enough to incite profanity. Originally by: Havohej I can't be bothered to try chasing four people around without sufficient motivation. A shame. I was almost looking forward to seeing whether there's actually teeth in that impressively-sized jaw of yours. Originally by: Havohej You can speak as many languages as you please, as fluently as you please. I only need to tell you to shut the **** up in one. But it's so much more fun to reply with "Make me!" in several! -----
Havohej Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.02.04 15:45:00 - [50] Originally by: Andreus LeHane But it's so much more fun to reply with "Make me!" in several! I doubt you'd undock with any of us within 5 jumps. Du'uma Fiisi is Recruiting
Andreus LeHane Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.02.04 15:53:00 - [51] I've seen your killboard. I wasn't impressed. My corp survived Exalted. What on Earth do you think you have that's scarier than them? -----
Ajax Smith	Posted - 2010.02.04 16:28:00 - [52] Originally by: Andreus LeHane What on Earth do you think you have that's scarier than them? Truth. Integrity. The knowledge that any right thinking person, whether they agree with our aims or not, respects our right to pursue them in the peaceful manner that we do.....as opposed to relying on bigotry, slander, and outright lies. Oh, you weren't talking to me. My apologies
Andreus LeHane Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.02.04 16:36:00 - [53] Originally by: Ajax Smith Stuff, etc. I said scary, not mildly irritating. -----
Verone Gallente Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.02.04 16:40:00 - [54] Seems like Gallente politics are as stale as ever. Lots of talking, name calling, threatening and writing each other nasty letters and very little action. >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<<
Julianus Soter Gallente Moira.	Posted - 2010.02.04 16:44:00 - [55] You're a bit behind on the developments, Ethan. Suggest you read the I-RED thread. Moira, of course, stands by it's actions and will continue to wage this war as it sees fit. We are an independent military corporation, lying outside of all federal and other governmental authorities, and limited only by the Yulai Conventions. If the ILF desires to have peace, they should cooperate.
Havohej Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.02.04 16:44:00 - [56] Originally by: Andreus LeHane I've seen your killboard. I wasn't impressed. My corp survived Exalted. What on Earth do you think you have that's scarier than them? Mmhmm, survived this, that and the other thing. All four of you, with barely two active, competent pilots... If 'surviving' is sitting safely docked while no-name forum mouthpieces spam the IGS about who you've fought in the past, you can keep it. Du'uma Fiisi is Recruiting
Andreus LeHane Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.02.04 17:07:00 - [57] Originally by: Havohej Mmhmm, survived this, that and the other thing. All four of you, with barely two active, competent pilots... If 'surviving' is sitting safely docked while no-name forum mouthpieces spam the IGS about who you've fought in the past, you can keep it. You know what, Havohej? I don't need to prove myself to you. I know that if you actually had the balls to come and try your luck, I'd undock. The people on the IGS and in other places in New Eden that I actually, you know, care about know this too. I don't need you to believe it, because gaining the acceptance of a man that even Star Fraction couldn't be bothered with doesn't rank high on my list of priorities. Now I don't really give a toss what you do. Either do your job and disrupt the Amarrians like your corporate description promises, or if you really must, put your money where your mouth is and wardec my corporation. We'll be there to fight you. Just don't waste my time. Truly, if you don't wardec me, I'll be bored, and if you do wardec me, I'll be slightly less bored. But please, either back up your statements or stop making them. The choice is yours. -----
Ajax Smith	Posted - 2010.02.04 17:10:00 - [58] Originally by: Andreus LeHane Originally by: Ajax Smith Stuff, etc. I said scary, not mildly irritating. Well, if all we are is a mild irritation, why all the effort by yourself, Moira, and associated cohorts to wage war - physically or verbally - against us?
Andreus LeHane Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.02.04 17:13:00 - [59] Originally by: Ajax Smith Well, if all we are is a mild irritation, why all the effort by yourself, Moira, and associated cohorts to wage war - physically or verbally - against us? My answer was in response to your response to the question "What have you [i.e. Havohej] got that's more scary than Exalted?". He didn't offer me a satisfactory answer (or indeed, any answer), and your answer wasn't scary, it was just... mildly irritating. -----
Verone Gallente Veto Corp	Posted - 2010.02.04 17:16:00 - [60] Originally by: Julianus Soter You're a bit behind on the developments, Ethan. Not at all, I've been watching intently and have yet to see any real action other than people talking a good fight on the IGS. Destroying a couple of hulls here and there and talking crap on the IGS doesn't constitute a war. >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<<

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