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Ture San
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Posted - 2010.02.02 10:52:00 -
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Edited by: Ture San on 02/02/2010 10:58:52
Hello
Today i tought about idea of combining EVE Online and Planetarion gameplay aspects.
Point of planetarion is that alliances compete in defined lenght of time ( game universe restarts periodically) for resources and getting score for destroyed fleets and captured resources. Difficulty of the game is to coordinate alliances which have huge amounts of players.In eve we find lots of similar aspects (players control ships rather than fleets :) ).
We could make eve more goal oriented by resetting game universe in 1 year periods or so, and in the end alliance controlling most systems wins. This would also require huge speedup in skill developement process ( about 4x or so) to make ships available faster.
For PVPers this would mean a lot of action particularly in the beginning of the reset and lots of intresting early frigate/destroyer fights :). For carebears and business buys this would mean new opportunities to conquer the market of eve.
Thumbs up for this:
+ At the beginning of the reset there would be chaos 
+ EVE would become much more intense
+ EVE would become much more accessible for new players
+ EVE characters would become more build-like ( you cant learn everything in 1 year even its 4x speed)
+ Skill,Coordination and Cunning would mean much much more
+ You would get more chances to "reinvent your self"
+ Much more
Thumbs down for this:
- Some players would hate to lose their 60M+ skill point characters.
There will be players who would love this and who would hate this. So how about giving people chance to vote and making new (parallel) eve universe which has these rules ?
Please keep the comments on the constructive side :), post ups, downs and general opinions.
Respectfully
- Ture San
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Valandril
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.02.02 10:53:00 -
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GB2P, seriously. Eve is all about reward for time and patience.
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Ture San
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Posted - 2010.02.02 11:00:00 -
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 Originally by: Valandril
GB2P, seriously. Eve is all about reward for time and patience.
I know some like that aspect in the game, but some really like the pew. Thats why i suggested the alternate universe.
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Valandril
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.02.02 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ture San
Originally by: Valandril
GB2P, seriously. Eve is all about reward for time and patience.
I know some like that aspect in the game, but some really like the pew. Thats why i suggested the alternate universe.
Also another great thing about eve is that it's one universe
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Ture San
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Posted - 2010.02.02 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: Valandril
Originally by: Ture San
Originally by: Valandril
GB2P, seriously. Eve is all about reward for time and patience.
I know some like that aspect in the game, but some really like the pew. Thats why i suggested the alternate universe.
Also another great thing about eve is that it's one universe
Yes that kind of defines EVE. But you still can't find anything good in periodic resets ? Even if it was two- year instead of one.
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Asuka Smith
Gallente
Noir.
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Posted - 2010.02.02 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Ture San
Originally by: Valandril
Originally by: Ture San
Originally by: Valandril
GB2P, seriously. Eve is all about reward for time and patience.
I know some like that aspect in the game, but some really like the pew. Thats why i suggested the alternate universe.
Also another great thing about eve is that it's one universe
Yes that kind of defines EVE. But you still can't find anything good in periodic resets ? Even if it was two- year instead of one.
The lure of eve is a single persistant world. If you change the formula it is no longer nearly as compelling. The reason EVE exists and Planetarion also exists is because they both fill different niches. I do not understand why you would want to take X and make it into Y. Y already exists, play Y if you want Y. EVE is X, and all the players in X want X, that is why we are here and they are there.
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Ture San
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Posted - 2010.02.02 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Asuka
The lure of eve is a single persistant world. If you change the formula it is no longer nearly as compelling. The reason EVE exists and Planetarion also exists is because they both fill different niches. I do not understand why you would want to take X and make it into Y. Y already exists, play Y if you want Y. EVE is X, and all the players in X want X, that is why we are here and they are there.
For me lure of EVE is alliances, PVP, politics and other social things. These connections would still be persistent if the game universe would be reset. And i'm not suggesting making eve into browser based fleet command game, but instead making X JOIN with Y.
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Samantha U
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Posted - 2010.02.02 12:18:00 -
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Sorry, but I once played one of these games that got reset. It became really dull as there seemed little point in playing. Needless to say I left very quickly and now I'm playing EVE. We don't need resets, this game rewards patience.
Leave it alone.
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Ture San
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Posted - 2010.02.02 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: Samantha U
Sorry, but I once played one of these games that got reset. It became really dull as there seemed little point in playing. Needless to say I left very quickly and now I'm playing EVE. We don't need resets, this game rewards patience.
Leave it alone.
Which game you were playing.
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr
GK inc.
Panda Team
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Posted - 2010.02.02 12:30:00 -
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Three weeks to anchor a pos, one year to kill it. No.
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Samantha U
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Posted - 2010.02.02 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ture San
Originally by: Samantha U
Sorry, but I once played one of these games that got reset. It became really dull as there seemed little point in playing. Needless to say I left very quickly and now I'm playing EVE. We don't need resets, this game rewards patience.
Leave it alone.
Which game you were playing.
Doesn't matter, the reset just annoyed the hell out of me and I saw little point in continuing with a game where I could spend a couple of months building up in the game to have it removed. This idea would do more than just reset the servers, watch the player base drop to 5k again.
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Future Mutant
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.02.02 13:37:00 -
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Edited by: Future Mutant on 02/02/2010 13:37:03
Generally the games that reset- are complete free for alls with little to no "economy".
Say eve is reset- how often? once a year? It would prolly take a good 3-6 months to get more then a tiny fraction of those qualified into battleships.
And what is the point of dedicated industrialists? See how much isk you can make in a year- then start over? I really doubt many would want to begin the slow grind up the ramp again.
And speaking of grind- do you have any idea how difficult it would be to even begin to rebuild the market infrastructure?
Tl/dr- this could never work on a a massive player driven economy game such as eve. Even if it could work- so many ppl would leave that it wouldnt work financially.
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DuKackBoon
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Posted - 2010.02.02 14:01:00 -
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Edited by: DuKackBoon on 02/02/2010 14:03:22
You obviously haven't understood EVE, AT ALL. A Periodic reset would ruin EVE, as it goes against what EVE is: A Persistent universe.
PS: Re-Invent yourself? Just skill for something else, lol.
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SupaKudoRio
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Posted - 2010.02.02 14:08:00 -
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No.
No, I didn't read the thread either.
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Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic
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Posted - 2010.02.02 14:48:00 -
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Ha! Big no.
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2010.02.02 14:53:00 -
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-10/10
Its even worse idea then second server.
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Aloriana Jacques
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2010.02.02 15:10:00 -
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So you want to force everyone to restart every year....against their will....losing everything they worked and paid for....
-EVE is already intense
-EVE is perfectly accessible to new players as it is. And anyone who thinks that just because the 3 year old player has more skill points than him is automatically better, fails at understanding EVE.
-Characters are NOT meant to be cookie cutters. Don't even go there.
-You can reinvent yourself now. It's called making an alt.
-Not much more. Much less. You know how many players you'd drive away?
-You do not split, shard, or otherwise destroy what is one of the biggest features of EVE - a single persistent universe
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Aloriana Jacques - Skill Sheet
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Samantha U
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Posted - 2010.02.02 15:57:00 -
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I get the impression that this is somehow related to the complaints about older characters having some 'unfair' advantage in having lots of skill points, isk or whatever resource you wish to name. I've only been playing for little under a year and I'm fine with a character who is several years older than me having sp, isk or whatever that they have built up or worked for. It shows me that these things can be achieved, so in some cases new players can eventually achieve those things too, while others they may not, but part of the fun of this game is finding those things where you can compete and make your mark, or not in some cases.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.02.02 16:06:00 -
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but it would help getting rid of all titans and motherships. finally cruiser pvp in 0.0 again!
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Samantha U
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Posted - 2010.02.02 16:12:00 -
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That's about the only real benefit we can all agree on 
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WarlockX
Amarr
Free Trade Corp
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Posted - 2010.02.02 16:41:00 -
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Worst Idea ever.
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mchief117
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Posted - 2010.02.02 16:51:00 -
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would this allso make titans none existant again as well, eve finaly has goten to the point where we have more than 5 of them. and as i recall does it not take well over a year to train for a titan and the skills required to fly one?
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Imiarr Timshae
Caldari
Funny Men In Funny Hats
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Posted - 2010.02.02 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Ture San
Hello
Goodbye. God damn idiots 
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XXSketchxx
Gallente
Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2010.02.02 17:42:00 -
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We get resets all the time.
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Istvann
Minmatar
Order Reliance and Belonging
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Posted - 2010.02.02 17:51:00 -
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-1 here too. I am working hard enough to get myself built up and I still have a long way to go. I have only been playing a little over a year.
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WarlockX
Amarr
Free Trade Corp
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Posted - 2010.02.02 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: mchief117
would this allso make titans none existant again as well, eve finaly has goten to the point where we have more than 5 of them. and as i recall does it not take well over a year to train for a titan and the skills required to fly one?
Alot of cap ships take a year to train for and who would bother being useless the whole time so they can fly a ship for a few days before reset. Weee I train for 11 months every year so that I can have one month of fun.
That's not even taking into account that someone has to buy a titan blueprint(which noone will have money for after a reset  )... research it, get the materials for it, get the cap building facilities, get sovergty and build the damn things.
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Mike C
Caldari
Ipuvaepe Industries
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Posted - 2010.02.02 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2
-10/10
Its even worse idea then second server.
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Originally by: Mag's
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Sprilk
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Posted - 2010.02.02 21:37:00 -
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You do realize that if you 4x the speed for training so people can get to where they are now in a year or two you have the same "problem" that you have now with people that join even say 6months into a reset, this would not fix anything.
lastly there is no problem as i see it with new players, i have 78M sp and can be defeated by someone with 5M or even less sp in the right situation. since not all your sp are used doing every task it does not take long at all for a new player to pick a specilization and do well at it.
Eve would become far less intenits as you put it... because there would be one hundreded 12 year old kids as the only people playing. Most of us started playing eve, and continue playing eve because its a mature game with long term strategies and payouts, eve currently has no end game.... so why would you need to reset the servers? (no one is even close to being finished training eve)
Also there would be some kind of ideal training path that put you in certain ships faster then anyone else... so everyone would train that path to the current flavor of the month. and we would all be clones. As it stands now we are not all identical because we all trained for different things.. but in 1 year server i would bet 50% of the people would become identical following some uber training path to ththat resets flavor of the month ships.
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Tason Hyena
Minmatar
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.02.02 21:45:00 -
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Not in a game where it takes months to train to not get pwned. Server resets are a bad idea period because it gives no incentive to do anything more that PvP. No point in upgrading or holding territory or are amassing ISK since in a year or two it will be zeroed out.
Also, it rewards the big alliances while making it impossible for small groups to build on success.
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VonKaplanek III
Destructive Influence
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.03 00:18:00 -
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ummm
NO!!!!!!!!
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