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Citizen Black
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Posted - 2003.06.25 15:50:00 -
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Can some one explain drones and their worth? I have heard they are good but as i cant get any stats on them in game :(
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Cachorro Louco
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Posted - 2003.06.25 16:14:00 -
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Go here: http://www.tti-nexus.com/evedb/menu.html
Click on drones and check em out.
I like combat drones (light ones) when mining in .8 systems. I don't need to put a gun on my probe. I just let the drones handle to funny pirate.
Mad Dog says: Bet I'm the only true Reverend in the game. It says so on the printout I got from an Internet site. |
Thomas Ismay
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Posted - 2003.06.25 16:36:00 -
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Same here, using scout drones for defense on .6 through .8 security mining runs is great. Mining drones are also useful if there are no pirates or you have someone to fly cover for you. The light drones break fairly easy so be careful of getting them shot up.
Combat drones are rumored to be worthless in PvP, but I haven't tried that.
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.06.25 17:34:00 -
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Heavy drones do a lot of damage. They are not useless. Meet someone who attacks you with some WASP drones and you'll know :P. ---
"Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so? Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor? Molly > lol Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships" |
Psylocke
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Posted - 2003.06.25 17:50:00 -
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Drones were my lifes blood as a Gall.
When i feel like mining, hop into the thorax, load up on heavy drones, set up the cu vapors and head to the largest deposite of ochre i can find. Solo mining in .0's is patheticly simple. Even in an exeq this is easy.
Also you dont have to rely on a wingman with drones, although team action is the best,you can still solo it and make some nice isk.
Just train to 8 drones and you can do just about anything you want. I've kinda givin up on cruisers, a bit overkill in EVE right now, i love the thrill of pushin a good frigate to its limits, but man i miss my drones. I'd like to see a frigate that is nothing but a carrier, maybe 10000 drone space and one high slot, or maybe an indy class ship, but instead of mass cargo space, trade if off for drone space, i'd be happy.
Anyway, lots of ideas for using all types of drones. If anyone cares i can post some great combos for verious types of combat/mining situations.
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Vachir
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Posted - 2003.06.25 18:34:00 -
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"Heavy drones do a lot of damage. They are not useless. Meet someone who attacks you with some WASP drones and you'll know..."
Up until you hit your smartbomb and 'poof' no more drones. Also 11 damage per 2 seconds is not 'a lot' when cruiser guns do 200.
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Syllke Aronstein
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Posted - 2003.06.25 18:39:00 -
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That'd be 8 x 11 damage per 2 seconds + 5 x 200 per 8 seconds (Cruiser Guns) on a Thorax, i dont think many people except miners fly around with only drones for defence. . .
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Vachir
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Posted - 2003.06.25 18:47:00 -
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So if you're lucky 90 damage every 2 seconds from 8 drones that you have to launch and command, and which can easily be destroyed without a second thought, while each of several guns are doing twice the DPS at a fraction of the cost.
Drones share basically the same set of problems as missiles, they have pathetic return for their cost and time invested, and should only be used if you have the resources to spare and nothing better to spend them on. PvE is a different story of course.
Edit: BTW, those cruiser guns are 200/2sec not 8.
Edited by: Vachir on 25/06/2003 18:47:51
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.06.25 18:48:00 -
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- Did you ever checked the shields / struct of heavy drones? One small / medium smartbomb charge will be maybe not enough to destroy them.
- Did you ever multiply 10 x 11? This is 110 dmg each 2 seconds and it could decide a battle.
- Did you ever had to manually target heavy drones to shoot them when you do not have had a smartbomb? Not all use smartbombs.
- Did you ever met a Dominix with sending 2 x 10 drones after you and shooting you from range?
I'd say heavy drones do more damge then this rocket/missle/torpedo toys (for now) and are a good benefit for everyone who is using them.
If you can poof em, good for you. At least you are busy doing it and this might be exactly that what your opponents want you to do. Loosing some cap and being busy.
Edited by: Molly on 25/06/2003 18:52:57 ---
"Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so? Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor? Molly > lol Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships" |
Miriel Arkonis
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Posted - 2003.06.25 19:28:00 -
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Heavy drones have 100 shield, 250 armor and 320 structure. Where did you get a smartbomb that does 700 dmg a pulse?!
A large smartbomb does 160dmg and can only be fitted on a battleship. A medium smartbomb for a cruiser does 80dmg. You would need at least 9 pulses to kill a drone and that takes 80 seconds due to the 10sec cycle on the SB (can be reduced by skills).
Where do you get "*poof* they're gone"?
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Psylocke
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Posted - 2003.06.25 19:53:00 -
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Once again people posting without actualy reading it. How about posting some thoughts and ideas to help the person who started the thread.
Maybe some good info on how to manage light drones in a frig, or heavy drones in a cruiser. Tips on how to cycle your drones between targets while maximizing the use of your guns.
Read, think, reply.
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.06.26 01:25:00 -
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You sound like a guy telling someone to watch with his eyes, to think with his brain and to use his hands while building up a tent.
Relax, not everyone is such a perfect poster like you are :P. And since you posted some nice information, why should we reinvent the wheel? ---
"Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so? Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor? Molly > lol Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships" |
Demangel
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Posted - 2003.06.26 01:51:00 -
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The big mistake people make in Games like these, is they often go for the instant gratification guns.
They see the weak damage of a single drone and scoff at the idea, and think "oh one smartbomb and I win"
think again. As someone said it will take you between 1 to 2 minutes to kill all 8 wasps.
In that span of time they will hit you for X damage each second which adds up to a LOT of damage.
So really it's a trade off and now that heavy drones are attainable, it's a fair one.
Think of it another way.
Each wasp is like having an Atron covering you If not better.
So a thorax has the ability to carry the equivalent of 8 Atrons instead of needing his friends to fly escort. Sure a well placed shot from a Medium turret at range can smoke an Atron. But at close range against something moving 400+ m/s orbiting you, those medium turrets are FAR less effective.
Assuming the thorax pilot launches the drones at the right time at the very least your going to need to accupy ONE of your turrets if not more to deal with them.
Because over a short time they can easily equal having another turret slot.
So you can ignore them or destroy them, but either way they do hurt you in some way. Even if only by causing you some lag.
As for controling them, the only hard part is launching them. Once they are all launched controling them isn't such a big deal.
Just select all, and command them to attack.
Personaly though I think CCP should add in the ability to either launch all drones of a specific type that can be controlled in two clicks (right click/select launch all of type) then requiring another two or three clicks to attack.
OR CCP should implement a command so that you can tell a single drone to Launch AND attack all in one command. Either one of those would clear up a LOT of the hassel of drones.
Galaxion > If you drove a car shaped like a thorax women would call you Demangel > Dude... I would call.. Demangel > wait that sounded g@y I bet. Galaxion > Just a bit.
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Psylocke
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Posted - 2003.06.26 06:24:00 -
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Nice Demangel.
Some suggestions on drone usage.
A nice combo for hunting pirates/PC would be to mount up for total offensive and load up some infiltrator, 4 is a good number. When warping to a belt whip out those infiltrators asap and send them off to the pirates AFTER they have you locked. This is important so that they dont decide to chew on your drones instead of hopelessly pounding your shields. When the pirates shields are down hit them hard with your guns while sending your drones to a new target to hack away. Repeat this process. Infiltrator do pure unadultrated shield damage so they cut through shields fast, although they dont do much to armor. And if you lose any, their cheap. Warriors are cheaper, do less damage, but do fairly equal amounts of both shield and hull damage.
When its time for cruisers, it realy doesnt matter if you have drones, unless you dont have your cruiser set to its full potential, then use drones to make up for the lack of firepower til you get the right set up.
Mining solo.
If you have a good feel for your drones and what they can do, you'll do well mining alone. Frigates using drones shouldnt go below .4 sectors, or if your good, .3. A lone frigate doesnt have the shields or cap to with stand an assult long enough for drones alone to take the enimey out. Warriors will be plenty strong enough to keep you alive in .4's. Again this is only if you can use 4 drones, i'm not to sure any less will be enough to keep you goin without taking hull damage.
Cruisers have the greatest advantage, huge drone cap. I'm only familiar with the Exeq and Thorax in this matter. Exeqs can easiliy survive .o's with the right setup of drones. Hammerheads became my favorate, easy to make/replace and hit hard enough to matter. With a full compliment of miners, shield booster(small), and armor repairer(small), just incase, load up the drones and get comfy somewhere. Very important. When the pirates warp in, do not send your drones out. Let the pirates target you first, or atleast so all are in your threat window, then send them off to murder in the name of ores. For starter, have atleast one gun mounted, a back up so you can get the feel for it. if the pirates are being wiped out fast enough that your shields arent taking too much of a beating, hold your ground. Dont be afread of alittle hull damage, if you have the repairer equiped. When all the pirates are gone you'll have time to repair and recharge.
Anyway. This is a start. Dont bite off to much more than you can chew, i'll admit i've lost some ships experimenting. For a miner, drones are perfect. For a powerhouse drones are mearly a great distraction.
Now the heavy drones. Overkill. But in a good way. You could mine in your sleep with those badass's. 8 in a thorax, almost wet my pants whem i saw them slice a pirate cruiser to pieces.
Hope this helps, be careful, and experiment.
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Thano
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Posted - 2003.06.26 06:53:00 -
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wow alot of good info here... almost makes me whant to run out and buy a thorax
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Endyl
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Posted - 2003.06.26 07:57:00 -
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Problem of drones are missiles (aaah yes, missiles are worth something for once, too bad they cost as much as a drone)...
If you use missiles at the same time as drones, you will smoke your own drones.
If you send your drones on a pirate launching missiles, your drones won't survive long.
So in mining op drones are useable only on Serpentis low end pirates (till chief sentinel) who don't throw missiles.
You can forget them on Guristas or on minmatar pirates completely, as most of them including frigates use missiles.
In PvP... that's another story :)
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Ruby LeFonte
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Posted - 2003.06.26 08:09:00 -
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I love my drones... *sighs* two more days to finish my Drone lvl.5 and then it's off to train Drone interfacing.
In safe space I whip out all my little miners, in less than secure space either a combo of combat drones and miners, or solely combat if the threats are high enough.
It's nice for a miner to get some bounty pay and the occassional good drop while mining away with those lasers.
Just because we are paranoid, doesn't mean you're not out to get us. |
ddogg
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Posted - 2003.06.26 08:47:00 -
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I now have 8 heavy drones and I love em - was a long process to be able to use em - as IM Amarr and I needed a Thorax to be able to use all at the same time.
My corp mates say they cause lag - but you wont see me out hunting without my small floatilla :)
As for mining - well with 8 harvesters and 4 miners I can fill a fully expanded Indy in about 20 minutes. CEO - |
Demangel
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Posted - 2003.06.26 12:05:00 -
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Amen Drones are nearly wonderful ATM. They have a few drawbacks, but I have this feeling CCP won't leave the drone users hanging for long.
the thing that finaly sold me on them completely was the story about the guy who litteraly took apart a difficult NPC cruiser with 8 Wasps, and the pirate had the DRONES targetted LOL.
As for missiles VS drones, it all depends on the missile type, and the drone type.
It's really hard to hit a very fast moving drone with a rocket or torpedo for example not impossible though... justhard form what I have seen.
As for NPC's who toss missiles at you, you have 2 options:
ONE Wait till that missile tosser has YOU as it's target, then your drones will not have much hassel with the NPC at all...
Two: Get in real close and let the missile chucker have it.
It also depends on the drone and the missile type.
A hammerhead can withstand one standard missile without much trouble, maybe three before it goes bang I havn't tested this but if my memory serves on thier hit points ETC they should be able to stand 2-3 of the more common standard missile types... And since standard missiles are the most likely to score a hit this is fine.
Of course few drones (or even Cruisers for that matter) like being hit with two rocket launchers firing at 1 second intervals with high powered rockets.
As for smart bombs ETC, one good tactic if you have your hand free is to try and cycle your drones in and out...
For example launch your max drones.
Recall the one at the top of the list and scoop it every 30 seconds or less if needed... when that one is scooped launch it again, or launch another and command it to attack.
It's tough (seriously if you don't have your Hud laid out just right it's damn near impossible), but DOES work if you fast enough. VS Pc's though I havn't tested it.
In the End think of it this way:
a thorax pays for those drones with some Shields and a few other stats... for that price it gains about 8 Atrons worth of firepower, diversion, ETC.
If Anti missile drones come out, forget it missiles are pretty much over and done with as far as usefulness is concerned hehehe...
Galaxion > If you drove a car shaped like a thorax women would call you Demangel > Dude... I would call.. Demangel > wait that sounded g@y I bet. Galaxion > Just a bit.
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Coldplazma
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Posted - 2003.06.26 18:24:00 -
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I have people complain about the costs of drones. Which for a medium sized corporation is quite silly, because we manufacture all our own drones even Wasps. Compared to our mineral cost for other items, drone manufacturing is drop in the bucket. And when people are paying nearly 100k for a heavy drone, the cost of the blue print pays for itself. If you start down the long road of drone specialist, I highly recommend buying drone BPs for all the drones you like to use.
also concerning drone combat, usually if something targets you and shoot you the drones will auto attack it as long as you already have them deployed. So the closest thing to sentry gun for your ship you can get ATM. But I say usually because sometimes they dont, I wonder this is a bug?
Edited by: Coldplazma on 26/06/2003 18:25:42
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Cachorro Louco
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Posted - 2003.06.26 18:36:00 -
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Haven't waited for a pirate to shot at me when I have my little doggies circling. But have shot at a pirate and them little drones take off like their butts are on fire for the scallywag that I shot at.
Mad Dog says: Bet I'm the only true Reverend in the game. It says so on the printout I got from an Internet site. |
Max Cohen
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Posted - 2003.06.26 20:52:00 -
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You guys do know what happens to you when you get attacked by another players drones? Your screen flashes white and shakes around each time a drone hits you. Imagine that every few seconds comming from 8 drones. It gets very disorienting very fast.
Edited by: Max Cohen on 26/06/2003 21:10:53
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Psylocke
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Posted - 2003.06.26 22:20:00 -
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Drones will auto attack for two reasons. Both of these reasons is if the drones have no commands, even return and orbit.
One: They will attack the first target you open fire on. Even if you change targets they will continue to attack the first til it goes boom, or til you tell them otherwise. Once that target blows they will return and orbit, and then will attack your next target only if you activate your guns, not if you are already shooting. Hard to discribe, but you'll see.
Two: They will attack any target that first shoots you and will continue til its toast or you say otherwise. If a pirate/PC is already attacking you, the drones will not engage unless its the pirates first shot. Again odd to explain.
I dont even tell my drones what to do anymore. Just deactivate one gun then reactivate it, and they frenzy. Unless i see that they are being fired on, then i pull them back.
Nice info guys, i've even learned some stuff from ya.
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Coldplazma
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Posted - 2003.06.26 23:30:00 -
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Hey has anyone using combat drones noticed a big increase in drone damage when you train up the heavy combat drones?
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