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Nooma K'Larr Minmatar Cat's Cradle	Posted - 2010.02.07 05:43:00 - [1] For a period of 6 months CCP put aside all other development work and focused on eliminating every possible bug in EVE. I'd be a happy capsuleer. ___________________________________________________ CSM - Bring back Medium Shader!
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2010.02.07 05:53:00 - [2] 6 months of whining on the forums about CCP "wasting their time with minor bug-fixes rather then adding new content". Originally by: GM Horse I've sadly misplaced my magic "find farmers in ravens" button.
Khamal Jolstien Caldari RennTech BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2010.02.07 05:58:00 - [3] Originally by: Nooma K'Larr For a period of 6 months CCP put aside all other development work and focused on eliminating every possible bug in EVE. I'd be a happy capsuleer. A better game.
Cornaris	Posted - 2010.02.07 17:12:00 - [4] Originally by: Nooma K'Larr I don't have the slightest clue how game development works.
Dex Timor Valklear Guard	Posted - 2010.02.07 17:18:00 - [5] Originally by: Cornaris I fell for a troll
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.02.07 17:30:00 - [6] Originally by: Khemul Zula 6 months of whining on the forums about CCP "wasting their time with minor bug-fixes rather then adding new content". Touche Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! ≡v≡
MsValentineWiggin	Posted - 2010.02.07 18:02:00 - [7] When Apple first announced 10.6 Snow Leopard OS at the developers conference, they described it as "no new features". The Keynote slide literally said "0 new features." Supposedly there was spontaneous applause as better, faster, more reliable sounded like a good investment of resources. I am not sure I see CCP's customers being as rational though.
Boomershoot Caldari Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2010.02.07 18:03:00 - [8] Originally by: MsValentineWiggin When Apple first announced 10.6 Snow Leopard OS at the developers conference, they described it as "no new features". The Keynote slide literally said "0 new features." Supposedly there was spontaneous applause as better, faster, more reliable sounded like a good investment of resources. I am not sure I see CCP's customers being as rational though. You know Macs suck no matter how much you improve them, right?
Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation	Posted - 2010.02.07 18:21:00 - [9] Originally by: Boomershoot You know Macs suck no matter how much you improve them, right? woah, are you saying Apple make vacuum cleaners now?
Mr M Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2010.02.07 18:28:00 - [10] I really don't want the ecognomes, the graphic artists or the guy who's sole purpose to fetch coffee to the bosses to fiddle around with the code. No, thank you Eve Tribune\|EVEgeek\|Firebrand Radio
AdmiralJohn The Unknown Bar and Pub Elysium Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.07 18:28:00 - [11] Originally by: Banana Torres woah, are you saying Apple make vacuum cleaners now? I can't wait to buy the new iSuck!
Boomershoot Caldari Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2010.02.07 18:31:00 - [12] Originally by: Banana Torres Originally by: Boomershoot You know Macs suck no matter how much you improve them, right? woah, are you saying Apple make vacuum cleaners now? Yeah, and they work better than their computers. However you can't open it, so when it is full you have to buy another one.
Admiral Takia Caldari Running With Scissors Inc.	Posted - 2010.02.07 19:07:00 - [13] Originally by: AdmiralJohn Originally by: Banana Torres woah, are you saying Apple make vacuum cleaners now? I can't wait to buy the new iSuck! more popularly known as the iPad
Stick Cult Unspoken Autonomy.	Posted - 2010.02.07 19:15:00 - [14] Here's what would happen, as it usually does. They fix a bug, and that spawns another bug. This bug is fixed, and another appears. And another. And another. And another. And on, and on, and on, and on.. Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.02.07 20:19:00 - [15] Originally by: Nooma K'Larr For a period of 6 months CCP put aside all other development work and focused on eliminating every possible bug in EVE. I'd be a happy capsuleer. What would happen if you made a post that wasn't :facepalm: ? Well for one thing, according to the deal I made, I'd have to start going to church.
Harris Dorn	Posted - 2010.02.07 21:10:00 - [16] Originally by: Stick Cult Here's what would happen, as it usually does. They fix a bug, and that spawns another bug. This bug is fixed, and another appears. And another. And another. And another. And on, and on, and on, and on.. This. I'd like them to fix bugs but the only rationale I can digest about them NOT fixing so many 'old' bugs is doing so would cripple the game and or make someone's head explode all over the friggin' hamster cage.
Rocktown	Posted - 2010.02.07 21:17:00 - [17] people would post threads asking "what if for a poeriod of six months ccp put aside fixing minor bugs and implemented some new ships lol i want a t3 mining barge lol1010l1okajf" just saying
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2010.02.07 23:49:00 - [18] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Nooma K'Larr For a period of 6 months CCP put aside all other development work and focused on eliminating every possible bug in EVE. I'd be a happy capsuleer. What would happen if you made a post that wasn't :facepalm: ? Eve is sci-fi, it's not fantasy.
Allen Ramses Caldari Typo Corp	Posted - 2010.02.07 23:50:00 - [19] I just want to feel secure in knowing that I will never have to tolerate the absurdities of Can't Code Python ever again... Much of the EVE code is admittedly undocumented and nobody knows how it works or how to replace it. I figure nothing short of a complete re-write of the client will remedy this situation... And it should be done with a REAL programming language, not an interpreter language. Multiple CPU thread allocation has been commonplace for more than 3 years, yet the EVE client can't even properly handle multiple threads (outside of MachoNet), which has been the standard for over a decade. ____________ I'd make a forum signature that didn't suck, but I'm restricted by a character limit that does.
Daemon Vlad	Posted - 2010.02.08 00:10:00 - [20] Originally by: Allen Ramses I just want to feel secure in knowing that I will never have to tolerate the absurdities of Can't Code Python ever again... Much of the EVE code is admittedly undocumented and nobody knows how it works or how to replace it. I figure nothing short of a complete re-write of the client will remedy this situation... And it should be done with a REAL programming language, not an interpreter language. Multiple CPU thread allocation has been commonplace for more than 3 years, yet the EVE client can't even properly handle multiple threads (outside of MachoNet), which has been the standard for over a decade. Even with all things considered, you've got to admit CCP has been doing an outstanding job at keeping the client in one piece. I've seen far worse than this for programs with unknown/undocumented code with hackjob methodology. Remember Windows ME and XP64? Shudder Besides, I think the OP is talking about gameplay bugs, not client bugs.
Admiral Pelleon White Shadow Imperium	Posted - 2010.02.08 00:18:00 - [21] Originally by: Stick Cult Here's what would happen, as it usually does. They fix a bug, and that spawns another bug. This bug is fixed, and another appears. And another. And another. And another. And on, and on, and on, and on.. My drones still don't focus fire. Going on 5 years with that problem. ________ CCP Applebabe is evil and must be stopped!
WarlockX Amarr Free Trade Corp	Posted - 2010.02.08 00:28:00 - [22] Originally by: Nooma K'Larr For a period of 6 months CCP put aside all other development work and focused on eliminating every possible bug in EVE. I'd be a happy capsuleer. Well for starters the game designers and graphics artists would be out of a job, as would the mission writers/scripters. ----------------------------------------------- Free Trade Corp - Flash page
Ti'anla Minmatar	Posted - 2010.02.08 00:29:00 - [23] Edited by: Ti''anla on 08/02/2010 00:33:45 Unfortunately, there's a limit to how many people you can put on a bug fixing job - even if you focus an entire six months on it. And be assured, even among those who code for the game, there are plenty that can't bug-hunt/fix. If CCP did that they would either A: have to fire everyone else, B: pay them to do nothing, or C: give them something productive that they can do, like develop new content in the meantime, and.. ... oh wait. Even in the above-sited talk about the Apple OS releaser that only fixed stuff, Apple most certainly had other departments working on other projects at the same time.
Niccolado Starwalker Gallente Shadow Templars	Posted - 2010.02.08 01:33:00 - [24] Originally by: Nooma K'Larr For a period of 6 months CCP put aside all other development work and focused on eliminating every possible bug in EVE. I'd be a happy capsuleer. 1. The game would still have bugs. 2. CCP would hav lots of people who would be without jobs 3. So in general it would made all people angry. Those who wants a bugfree game and those who wants an expansion Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL.
Nooma K'Larr Minmatar Cat's Cradle	Posted - 2010.02.08 02:27:00 - [25] Originally by: Harris Dorn Originally by: Stick Cult Here's what would happen, as it usually does. They fix a bug, and that spawns another bug. This bug is fixed, and another appears. And another. And another. And another. And on, and on, and on, and on.. This. I'd like them to fix bugs but the only rationale I can digest about them NOT fixing so many 'old' bugs is doing so would cripple the game and or make someone's head explode all over the friggin' hamster cage. So the eve code is held together by bugs? ___________________________________________________ CSM - Bring back Medium Shader!
Karlemgne Tides Of War	Posted - 2010.02.08 02:40:00 - [26] Here is to people who have no idea how video game development works. At any given time most MMOs will have between 20 and 30 thousand open issues. It would take much longer than 6 months to "fix" all of these, because as some have pointed out, its never just so easy as just "fixing" an issue . Any given fix can cause up to 10 new bugs to appear. Chasing these down isn't fun, and its ****ing time consuming. So in your scenario you'd have the people at CCP chasing down all kinds of non-essential issues, the fixes to which sometimes cause essential issues while producing no new content. Now not only would half of CCP's staff need to be laid off (surprise you don't really need all of the artists and the designers to fix bugs,) but people like you would start to complain (along with many others) when a year went by, not all the bugs were fixed yet, and there were absolutely NO content updates on the horizon. Even IF you could get all of the bugs "fixed" in 6 months, which you couldn't, you'd still be looking at a YEAR or more before you would see anything new (surprise adding new content takes months of development). This will be hard to do anyway, since you've laid off half of your staff already. My sig don't fracking work.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.02.08 02:49:00 - [27] Originally by: WarlockX as would the mission writers/scripters. have you ever done missions? I don't think they have a single person who does this.
Nooma K'Larr Minmatar Cat's Cradle	Posted - 2010.02.08 03:13:00 - [28] Originally by: Karlemgne Here is to people who have no idea how video game development works. At any given time most MMOs will have between 20 and 30 thousand open issues. It would take much longer than 6 months to "fix" all of these, because as some have pointed out, its never just so easy as just "fixing" an issue . Any given fix can cause up to 10 new bugs to appear. Chasing these down isn't fun, and its **ing time consuming. So in your scenario you'd have the people at CCP chasing down all kinds of non-essential issues, the fixes to which sometimes cause essential issues while producing no new content. Now not only would half of CCP's staff need to be laid off (surprise you don't really need all of the artists and the designers to fix bugs,) but people like you would start to complain (along with many others) when a year went by, not all the bugs were fixed yet, and there were absolutely NO content updates on the horizon. Even IF you could get all of the bugs "fixed" in 6 months, which you couldn't, you'd still be looking at a YEAR or more before you would see anything new (surprise adding new content takes months of development). This will be hard to do anyway, since you've laid off half of your staff already. ...and here's to people who think they know it all. I never said 6 months to fix ALL** the bugs, just fix bugs. The most obvious ones, like the way the camera is up my ship's arse when I jump. Funny how that one bug, the most obvious one has never been addressed patch after patch after patch. If a fix is prone to produce more bugs then there are two things wrong with it: 1. you have poorly constructed overall code 2. you have poor testing abilities As for chasing bugs being time consuming, well shiiiiiit...I'm sorry if you actually have to work at your job CCP. ...and who said anything about laying off staff? Obviously you dont get the janitor to write code, nor the kid that gets coffee or the mail. But those in the Q/A dept (does CCP have one?) to work with the main coders to clean EVE up. Call the resulting release: EVE -ENEMA- (we cleaned the *** out)* ___________________________________________________ CSM - Bring back Medium Shader!
Rodneh	Posted - 2010.02.08 03:32:00 - [29] I was hoping for "..someone stole my keyboard. And cut off my hands". Oh well.
WarlockX Amarr Free Trade Corp	Posted - 2010.02.08 03:42:00 - [30] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton Originally by: WarlockX as would the mission writers/scripters. have you ever done missions? I don't think they have a single person who does this. The new pirate arks are actually quite good. If you haven't tried them yet I recommend it to anyone willing to risk missions in 0.0 ----------------------------------------------- Free Trade Corp - Flash page

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