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Piwat King
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Posted - 2010.02.13 19:57:00 -
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Haven't been able to find any info about this game. hoping it's release date isn't like 2 years from now.....
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NightmareX
Infinitus Odium
Scum Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.13 20:01:00 -
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SoonÖ
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Lexx Khadar
Minmatar
Free Minmatar Union
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Posted - 2010.02.13 20:18:00 -
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Possibly September but chances are it will be pushed back.
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Calico Cool
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Posted - 2010.02.13 20:28:00 -
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 Originally by: Lexx Khadar
Possibly September but chances are it will be pushed back.
Not if they keep to the 'Incarna will be out before Dust 514' statement. 
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2010.02.13 20:31:00 -
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We'll get told two weeks before it happens.
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Eirik Hammer
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Posted - 2010.02.13 20:39:00 -
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Dust 514 is failsauce.
If we are lucky CCP will abandon plans to be a slow failure in the console market, and concentrate on making EVE better.
Perhaps they could even think about putting dust514 content in EVE where it belongs.
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Jack bubu
Lyonesse.
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.13 20:41:00 -
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It will be released right after Incarna ;)
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Tellenta
Gallente
Invicta.
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.02.13 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
SoonÖ
yup.
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Kyra Felann
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.02.13 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Calico Cool
Not if they keep to the 'Incarna will be out before Dust 514' statement.
Do you have source on that? I don't remember hearing or reading that.
From the "CCP Presents" video from fanfest 2009, I remember hearing it'd be out sooner than we expect or something like that. From what I remember, they also emphasized that it's been in development for a while.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if it came out concurrently with the planetary interaction expansion, since it's going to be integrated with that aspect of EVE.
I'm looking forward to Dust, but not as much as I'm looking forward to planetary interaction and Incarna.
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Apoctasy
Deskira Industries
G String University
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Posted - 2010.02.14 01:52:00 -
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Originally by: Eirik Hammer
Dust 514 is failsauce.
If we are lucky CCP will abandon plans to be a slow failure in the console market, and concentrate on making EVE better.
Perhaps they could even think about putting dust514 content in EVE where it belongs.
this tbh.
Console market is not one for the deliberately slow style of Eve.
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Admiral Pelleon
White Shadow Imperium
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Posted - 2010.02.14 02:28:00 -
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Taedrin
Gallente
The Green Cross
DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2010.02.14 02:53:00 -
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Originally by: Eirik Hammer
Dust 514 is failsauce.
If we are lucky CCP will abandon plans to be a slow failure in the console market, and concentrate on making EVE better.
Perhaps they could even think about putting dust514 content in EVE where it belongs.
Unfortunately, as a business, CCP has already spent too much money on Dust 514. They *MUST* make Dust 514 succeed now. They have most likely already taken out large quantities of loans in order to develop the title. If they abandon it now, they will have to write away all of those loans as a complete and total loss. They will have to halt all excess development of EVE and use all of their revenue to pay off their debts. I don't see how this could be a good thing.
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Originally by: Dr Fighter
"how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Dynaverse Corporation
Vertigo Coalition
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Posted - 2010.02.14 03:01:00 -
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Originally by: Apoctasy
Originally by: Eirik Hammer
Dust 514 is failsauce.
If we are lucky CCP will abandon plans to be a slow failure in the console market, and concentrate on making EVE better.
Perhaps they could even think about putting dust514 content in EVE where it belongs.
this tbh.
Console market is not one for the deliberately slow style of Eve.
Thank goodness DUST is going to be a fast paced FPS then eh?
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Unfortunately, as a business, CCP has already spent too much money on Dust 514. They *MUST* make Dust 514 succeed now. They have most likely already taken out large quantities of loans in order to develop the title. If they abandon it now, they will have to write away all of those loans as a complete and total loss. They will have to halt all excess development of EVE and use all of their revenue to pay off their debts. I don't see how this could be a good thing.
Excellent work uncovering the imminent failure of EVE. Now all you need to is provide the source of your inside information on CCP financials. Whats that? You would but you're sitting on it at the moment? How unfortunate.
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Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
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Posted - 2010.02.14 03:14:00 -
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Originally by: Apoctasy
Console market is not one for the deliberately slow style of Eve.
Which may be why CCP opted not to make EVE for consoles, but rather make DUST.
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Aloriana Jacques
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2010.02.14 03:22:00 -
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The problem is, we don't know.
This isn't really a problem for EVE expansions, we know we're going to get them. But with consoles, hype is key. If they hardly advertise it or build up interest in the target market other than "hey, here's some vague video shots" without any concrete time frame in which to expect it, it will not end well.
There's a reason most general game designers and distributors give list dates, even just a year and quarter. It lets people prepare and have an actual point of reference.
As it stands... "Soon" doesn't work in console game development (DLC and patches being the exception).
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Taedrin
Gallente
The Green Cross
DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2010.02.14 04:43:00 -
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Edited by: Taedrin on 14/02/2010 04:43:54
Originally by: Ranger 1
Edited by: Ranger 1 on 14/02/2010 04:12:45
Originally by: Apoctasy
Originally by: Eirik Hammer
Dust 514 is failsauce.
If we are lucky CCP will abandon plans to be a slow failure in the console market, and concentrate on making EVE better.
Perhaps they could even think about putting dust514 content in EVE where it belongs.
this tbh.
Console market is not one for the deliberately slow style of Eve.
Thank goodness DUST is going to be a fast paced FPS then eh?
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Unfortunately, as a business, CCP has already spent too much money on Dust 514. They *MUST* make Dust 514 succeed now. They have most likely already taken out large quantities of loans in order to develop the title. If they abandon it now, they will have to write away all of those loans as a complete and total loss. They will have to halt all excess development of EVE and use all of their revenue to pay off their debts. I don't see how this could be a good thing.
Excellent work uncovering the imminent failure of EVE. Now all you need do is provide the source of your inside information on CCP financials. Whats that? You would but you're sitting on it at the moment? How unfortunate.
Okay, so maybe I am exaggerating a lot here. Still, development of a console game costs a LOT of money. IGN claims it costs an average of 10 million USD to develop an xbox 360 title (source). I doubt DUST 514 is going to be an "average" title.
According to wikipedia, CCP's net income was 3 million USD in 2007. Total equity was 13.5 million USD in 2007, yet total assets were 47.2 million USD. Presuming that CCP didn't engage in fraudulent activities (and presuming that I am remembering my accounting class correctly), Total assets = Total Equity + Total Liabilities (debts). So therefore CCPs debts = 47.2 million USD - 13.5 million USD = 34 million USD.
Now, I suppose 3 million USD is nothing to snuff at, but neither is 34 million USD. CCP could survive the ordeal, I guess. They could fire CCP Shanghai - I'm sure that would free up a million USD annually or more. But how long is EVE going to exist? Do you honestly believe that EVE will be around for another 10-20 years? CCP can't just sit still with only EVE Online - they need to branch out with other projects. Hence their World of Darkness and Dust 514 projects.
Anyways, it is OBVIOUS to me that abandoning DUST 514 this far into its development would be detrimental to CCP as a business.
Mind you, I'm just a college student, with little business sense. One of you business types can correct me if I'm wrong here.
EDIT: I'm tired.
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Originally by: Dr Fighter
"how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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Hardiel Da'le'mei
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Posted - 2010.02.14 07:52:00 -
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Why do people hate Dust for?
Is it because they are jealous of people being able to aim and fire using console controlers? I know I am!
1) It looks a good game
2) It is programmed by different people - different style of game totally
3) It will not impact EVE massively at the start or cause problems for EVE people.
now move on, get a life and relax..
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Bartolomeo Colleoni
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.02.14 10:41:00 -
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I never understood the push for Dust - what are they going to do when 6 months after release all the Dust players have moved onto the latest and greatest shooter? |
Lexx Khadar
Minmatar
Free Minmatar Union
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Posted - 2010.02.14 10:52:00 -
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Originally by: Bartolomeo Colleoni
I never understood the push for Dust - what are they going to do when 6 months after release all the Dust players have moved onto the latest and greatest shooter?
They've stated they'll have 2 free content expansions a year for dust as they do with eve. I guess they're hoping to do the same with dust as they've done with eve. Build it up over time but with the console market having the initial rush give them a larger starting user base.
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ISellThingz
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Posted - 2010.02.14 10:52:00 -
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Originally by: Bartolomeo Colleoni
I never understood the push for Dust - what are they going to do when 6 months after release all the Dust players have moved onto the latest and greatest shooter?
That seems to be the best question.
What will keep the Dust players playing when new "better" FPS games come out? If it's going to affect Eve in some way then it needs to have people playing it, or whatever it is will just fail when people dump it for the new games. If it's tied with SOV then god help us.
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Shanter
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Posted - 2010.02.14 11:11:00 -
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Edited by: Shanter on 14/02/2010 11:13:54
Originally by: Bartolomeo Colleoni
I never understood the push for Dust - what are they going to do when 6 months after release all the Dust players have moved onto the latest and greatest shooter?
YEAH. Just like how everyone moved on from Halo 3 after it was released in 2007 and it doesn't stay with a high level of usage on Xbox live.
Oh wait.
The good console FPS games, now that internet connectivity is the de facto standard for consoles, have been enjoying extrememly long lifespans. A game, like DUST, that is supported with regular updates, is going to enjoy a long, healthy life on consoles.
Well, it will, assuming the game itself is actually good, but we won't know that until it's released.
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Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
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Posted - 2010.02.14 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: ISellThingz
Originally by: Bartolomeo Colleoni
I never understood the push for Dust - what are they going to do when 6 months after release all the Dust players have moved onto the latest and greatest shooter?
That seems to be the best question.
What will keep the Dust players playing when new "better" FPS games come out? If it's going to affect Eve in some way then it needs to have people playing it, or whatever it is will just fail when people dump it for the new games. If it's tied with SOV then god help us.
Because it's not like Hilmar and Torfi have said countless times that both games can and will work even if the other dies. 
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Shant
Gallente Freedom
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Posted - 2010.02.14 15:33:00 -
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According to the IGN interview with Hellmar , "DUST 514 will be launched when it's ready" (page 2 last paragraphs).
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Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.02.14 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Shant
According to the IGN interview with Hellmar , "DUST 514 will be launched when it's ready" (page 2 last paragraphs).
Oh why couldn't have CCP applied this same release methodology to Dominion -- the expansion whose main features were broken or removed upon release back in December '09. 
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2010.02.14 21:13:00 -
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It was stated in the 09 fan fest presentations that Dust was to be released in December 2010. Incarna was to be released before Dust, so possibly November. I believe this would be the Dust content being inserted into Eve ahead of time so Eve players could prepare.
If CCP's track record holds true, do not hold your breath. Although I would personally not be shocked if they came through on this one.
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.02.14 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Taedrin
Edited by: Taedrin on 14/02/2010 04:43:54
Originally by: Ranger 1
Edited by: Ranger 1 on 14/02/2010 04:12:45
Excellent work uncovering the imminent failure of EVE. Now all you need do is provide the source of your inside information on CCP financials. Whats that? You would but you're sitting on it at the moment? How unfortunate.
Okay, so maybe I am exaggerating a lot here. Still, development of a console game costs a LOT of money. IGN claims it costs an average of 10 million USD to develop an xbox 360 title (source). I doubt DUST 514 is going to be an "average" title.
According to wikipedia, CCP's net income was 3 million USD in 2007. Total equity was 13.5 million USD in 2007, yet total assets were 47.2 million USD. Presuming that CCP didn't engage in fraudulent activities (and presuming that I am remembering my accounting class correctly), Total assets = Total Equity + Total Liabilities (debts). So therefore CCPs debts = 47.2 million USD - 13.5 million USD = 34 million USD.
Now, I suppose 3 million USD is nothing to snuff at, but neither is 34 million USD. CCP could survive the ordeal, I guess. They could fire CCP Shanghai - I'm sure that would free up a million USD annually or more. But how long is EVE going to exist? Do you honestly believe that EVE will be around for another 10-20 years? CCP can't just sit still with only EVE Online - they need to branch out with other projects. Hence their World of Darkness and Dust 514 projects.
Anyways, it is OBVIOUS to me that abandoning DUST 514 this far into its development would be detrimental to CCP as a business.
Mind you, I'm just a college student, with little business sense. One of you business types can correct me if I'm wrong here.
EDIT: I'm tired.
^This my fellow Pod Pilots, is why you don't act like a smartass on the forums like Ranger 1 just did.
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Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout
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Jerid Verges
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Posted - 2010.02.14 22:00:00 -
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Dust is not for PC.
/wrists
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Junto Mien
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Posted - 2010.02.14 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Taedrin
Edited by: Taedrin on 14/02/2010 04:43:54
Originally by: Ranger 1
Edited by: Ranger 1 on 14/02/2010 04:12:45
Excellent work uncovering the imminent failure of EVE. Now all you need do is provide the source of your inside information on CCP financials. Whats that? You would but you're sitting on it at the moment? How unfortunate.
Okay, so maybe I am exaggerating a lot here[...]
^This my fellow Pod Pilots, is why you don't act like a smartass on the forums like Ranger 1 just did.
Did you quote the correct person? Ranger 1's smart arse reply, that EVE was not about to fail, was justified by Taedrin's reply, not countered.
Taedrin was using financial data from 2+ years ago, obtained from wikipedia. Hardly up to date. Not to mention that the information Taedrin provided indicated that CCP *does* have the finances to fund the 10 million dollars needed for Dust 514, based on the lower (200k?) subscriber numbers of 2007 (perhaps with a loan that's not going to cause a sweat). So they're in an even better position to pay for it now than they were then.
It seems to me that EVE would not be in trouble if Dust 514 flopped. Of course, we don't know what CCP's financial situation is right now - perhaps their debt is higher, perhaps lower (which was Ranger 1's other point). Their net income is presumably higher since they have 100k more subscribers. That 3mil profit they made in 2007 is probably after paying interest and principal on any debts they have...so that's a very significant net income.
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.02.14 22:42:00 -
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Originally by: Junto Mien
Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Taedrin
Edited by: Taedrin on 14/02/2010 04:43:54
Originally by: Ranger 1
Edited by: Ranger 1 on 14/02/2010 04:12:45
Excellent work uncovering the imminent failure of EVE. Now all you need do is provide the source of your inside information on CCP financials. Whats that? You would but you're sitting on it at the moment? How unfortunate.
Okay, so maybe I am exaggerating a lot here[...]
^This my fellow Pod Pilots, is why you don't act like a smartass on the forums like Ranger 1 just did.
Did you quote the correct person? Ranger 1's smart arse reply, that EVE was not about to fail, was justified by Taedrin's reply, not countered.
Taedrin was using financial data from 2+ years ago, obtained from wikipedia. Hardly up to date. Not to mention that the information Taedrin provided indicated that CCP *does* have the finances to fund the 10 million dollars needed for Dust 514, based on the lower (200k?) subscriber numbers of 2007 (perhaps with a loan that's not going to cause a sweat). So they're in an even better position to pay for it now than they were then.
It seems to me that EVE would not be in trouble if Dust 514 flopped. Of course, we don't know what CCP's financial situation is right now - perhaps their debt is higher, perhaps lower (which was Ranger 1's other point). Their net income is presumably higher since they have 100k more subscribers. That 3mil profit they made in 2007 is probably after paying interest and principal on any debts they have...so that's a very significant net income.
Ranger 1's Smart-arse comment was the bit about CCP's Financials, not Eve-Not-Dying. He made this comment in reply to Taedrin's original comment that CCP aborting DUST 514 would be suicidal for the company right now. Which it would be considering how much they likely have invested in it. Taedrin simply followed up with facts and stats. Sure you could find more up to date information if you dug around CCP's main website (Pretty sure Akita T has done in the past).
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Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout
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