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Nonexistent Face
United Federation of Deaf
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Posted - 2010.02.17 07:18:00 -
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I know... I know I'm beating a dead horse and you were expecting me to have some really detailed post here, but we've all read those posts before and I'll just leave a couple lines here to make it 'obvious' what my point is in concern of this topic:
1) Think of the new people. Often do we hear the amazing stories about how EVE was a harsh world at the start, where cruisers were rare and battleships nonexistent. Where 50 million ISK was a billion, and where a billion ISK was a trillion.
1-a) Why are the EVE veterans against this idea? The slightly newer players to EVE (let's just say... dating back to 2007) support this idea but why do the earlier players from 2003 do not? What is so wrong with this idea?
1-b) I realize that CCP's idea was to have only one server running at any time, but this is a different idea. CCP was probably thinking that if we had two servers, they'd be at the same 'timeline' as if a server's playerbase progression was a timeline.
1-c) What we supporters really want is a server that optionally can have the current expansion but the timeline for this new server would be dating back to 2003 of the original server. Meaning... a million ISK really means a lot. Frigates ruled. Cruisers were yachts. Battleships were a group effort.
To sum up some key questions:
1) Why are die-hard EVE veterans so against this idea? What is so wrong about it?
2) Why does CCP not endorse this idea?
3) Would YOU play on the new server? Why? Why not?
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Admiral Pelleon
White Shadow Imperium
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Posted - 2010.02.17 07:20:00 -
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Stop posting.
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Abraxias
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Posted - 2010.02.17 07:25:00 -
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Reported for spam, since there is an existing thread for this. 
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Nonexistent Face
United Federation of Deaf
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Posted - 2010.02.17 07:29:00 -
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 Originally by: Admiral Pelleon
Stop posting.
A properly designed response indicating the flaws in this particular idea while responding to the points that I've made is required to attempt to convince me to stop posting.
Originally by: Abraxias
Reported for spam, since there is an existing thread for this.
Just because the title looks similar to the 'Is it finally time for EVE 2?' thread does not mean they are the same topic.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.02.17 07:29:00 -
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as one of the "new characters" aka 2007 I have to say no
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2010.02.17 07:34:00 -
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I rather have them double the capacity (and size) of the current server. Second servers are always such a waste of precious resources better put to use in the original one.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2010.02.17 07:34:00 -
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Because the reason EVE is what it is is because you can actually make a name for yourself since everyone is in the same universe. Being the most feared pirate, or the cuddliest carebear on server X and people on Y and Z never have heard of you isn't what EVE is about.
Pretty much the same reason most people couldn't care jack about what happends on Serenity (China) since not many of us play on that server.
So no, the day you need to chose a server to play on is probably the day it is time to start looking for another game (not counting China since it's there because of special conditions).
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Admiral Pelleon
White Shadow Imperium
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Posted - 2010.02.17 07:36:00 -
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Originally by: Nonexistent Face
Originally by: Admiral Pelleon
Stop posting.
A properly designed response indicating the flaws in this particular idea while responding to the points that I've made is required to attempt to convince me to stop posting.
Let me elaborate: This topic is beaten to death so hard that any more threads might actually open a rift to Hell. If you want another server go play with the Chinese.
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Nonexistent Face
United Federation of Deaf
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Posted - 2010.02.17 07:38:00 -
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Edited by: Nonexistent Face on 17/02/2010 07:40:36
Originally by: Admiral Pelleon
Originally by: Nonexistent Face
Originally by: Admiral Pelleon
Stop posting.
A properly designed response indicating the flaws in this particular idea while responding to the points that I've made is required to attempt to convince me to stop posting.
Let me elaborate: This topic is beaten to death so hard that any more threads might actually open a rift to Hell. If you want another server go play with the Chinese.
Still not convincing.
However, Chribba hit the jackpot, so I'll just let this thread die out now (and ask for a lock).
Good night.
edit: Good morning, for the Europeans.
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Abraxias
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Posted - 2010.02.17 07:40:00 -
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Edited by: Abraxias on 17/02/2010 07:40:12
Originally by: Nonexistent Face
Still not convincing.
However, Chribba hit the jackpot, so I'll just let this thread die out now (and ask for a lock).
Good night.
Nice to see you admit your fail-troll.
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Seralder
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Posted - 2010.02.17 07:42:00 -
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Edited by: Seralder on 17/02/2010 07:46:45
New Server? NO!
Would YOU play on the new server? NO!
Why not? Dont need new Server!
Why does CCP not endorse this idea? Answer: simple stupid Idea.
Why are die-hard EVE veterans so against this idea? What is so wrong about it? Answer: its simple stupid idea. Whats so wrong on the normal server?
Think of the new people. - The most new people have fun and zero problems with the fact, that older players are bether...
New Server: Stupid wish of a person who has problems so that others are better/older...
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Mikael Mechka
Gallente
Sentinels Reprieve
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2010.02.17 07:54:00 -
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Originally by: Nonexistent Face
1-a) Why are the EVE veterans against this idea? The slightly newer players to EVE (let's just say... dating back to 2007) support this idea but why do the earlier players from 2003 do not? What is so wrong with this idea?
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To sum up some key questions:
1) Why are die-hard EVE veterans so against this idea? What is so wrong about it?
2) Why does CCP not endorse this idea?
3) Would YOU play on the new server? Why? Why not?
2007 player reporting in. I DO NOT support your idea, mainly because it's ******ed and partly because you implied you speak for "newer players" when you most certainly do NOT.
1. What's wrong with it? a) any individual sense of accomplishment to date will be renderd to be worth about the same as the average dog's feacal matter. b) newer players start off even, granted, then what happens after the first week? Oh dear, the new guy in a frigate can't match the vet in a cruiser. It solves nothing. c) starting a server from scratch means it's completely barren. No market, no ships, no guns, no nothing. Want to pvp? Sorry, no toys for you, build them yourself. How many instant gratification junkies will be able to mine enough for a cruiser before they go off to another game? The server will fail.
2. Because a) they lose out on marketing the whole one server thing, which makes it different from just about every other MMO out there. b) Setting up a new server that likely isn't going to attrach a big crowd and probably lose a lot from the first one too isn't going to be cheap in terms of hardware. c) it's a crap idea.
3. HELL NO. I wouldn't play on a new server, what would be the point? I don't care if people are ahead of me in terms of SP, I fly what I want to fly, how I want to fly, and if I can't fly it, I'll train for it so it's sweeter when I finally jump into the ship.
People who moan about SP advantages other have are beyond me. I have a decent amount of SP I think, yet I still fly T1 frigates into combat half the time, and you know what? It's fun to fly them!
Yeah, this is probably feeding a troll, but I don't care.
TL;DR
******ed idea. Why does it keep coming up?
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Originally by: Lana Torrin
I just reported you for being informative in a troll thread. Please leave.
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Sader Rykane
Amarr
Onei Robotics
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Posted - 2010.02.17 08:11:00 -
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2006 player.
I guess that makes me a grumpy, elitist "vet".
I still say no.
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OwlManAtt
Gallente
Yasashii Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2010.02.17 08:35:00 -
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I've been playing Aion for a bit. I find that a lot of people I interact with have characters. It would be nice to play with all of my associates from various social circles.
But you know what? They're all on different servers, so I can't.
And that's really lame. The idea of having different servers to split the playerbase up is a horrible relic of the 1900s and it needs to die.
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Captian Conrad
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.02.17 08:41:00 -
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Originally by: Nonexistent Face
I know... I know I'm beating a dead horse
Originally by: Nonexistent Face
but we've all read those posts before
U shot urself in the foot there bravo sir, and leave this horse alone!!!! 
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Some Advisor
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Posted - 2010.02.17 08:42:00 -
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Originally by: Nonexistent Face
I know...
why do it then?
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Synex
Gallente
BIG
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2010.02.17 08:52:00 -
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Originally by: Sader Rykane
Edited by: Sader Rykane on 17/02/2010 08:17:09
2006 player.
I guess that makes me a grumpy, elitist "vet".
I still say no.
*EDIT*
On another note:
I support accelerated learning for newer players beyond 1.6 million SP up to around 3 million.
But that's another argument for another day.
2003 player... keep working on being a 'vet'...
Synex
BIG
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Abraxias
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Posted - 2010.02.17 09:21:00 -
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Originally by: Synex
2003 player... keep working on being a 'vet'...
You need to keep working on your "elitism", its not coming through strong enough.
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Callista Sincera
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.02.17 09:39:00 -
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Originally by: Nonexistent Face
To sum up some key questions:
1) Why are die-hard EVE veterans so against this idea? What is so wrong about it?
Because it devides the community. You or your alliance do something great, but half of the players that normally would be affected by this couldn't care less since they are on another server. It diminishes the effect of outstanding actions.
Originally by: Nonexistent Face
2) Why does CCP not endorse this idea?
Is this directed at CCP? Anyway, isn't it like, totally, absolutely, super extremely obvious? It would lose them customers and the "one universe" slogan wouldn't fly anymore either. And what would be the point of all that? All you gain is a new universe for a year or so and then it would become very much like the other. Nobody would gain any benefit from that.
Besides, new players not having a chance and all is BS anyway. I made a post about EVE in my gaming-guilds forums in 2007 or maybe early '08 and a couple of people started playing it. Most of them dropped it again ("unintuitive gameplay", "crappiest UI ever", "wtf am I supposed to do" - you name it) but one of them sticked with EVE and is now a lot more active than I am... uh I guess you'd have to call him a griefer/becoming pirate. Point is, he never *****ed about lack of skillpoints or not being able to compete or kill stuff in a curiser. He also sends me those annoying killboard links about every other day or so, but that's another story...
Originally by: Nonexistent Face
3) Would YOU play on the new server? Why? Why not?
Why not? Starting anew sucks. In every game. The opporunities for nice market margins would probably be appealing for the first year or so, but after that it would become a TQ clone and I'd have my resources spread over different servers. I would regret it and ***** and moan to CCP to allow "server transfers" and so would many other people. CCP would make a ****load of money from payed server transfers and then, on Sun 9th January 2011 where another PCU record will be achieved, we'd have like 68k on TQ and 2500 on the new server. Great idea. Thanks, but no thanks.
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Captain Megadeath
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Posted - 2010.02.17 09:55:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
as one of the "new characters" aka 2007 I have to say no
This
Originally by: Admiral Pelleon
Stop posting.
and this
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
my name actually is short for catherine
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Khalm
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.02.17 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: Nonexistent Face
To sum up some key questions:
1) Why are die-hard EVE veterans so against this idea? What is so wrong about it?
2) Why does CCP not endorse this idea?
3) Would YOU play on the new server? Why? Why not?
1) the idea is idiotic
2) the idea is idiotic
3) no, because there is no need for a new server.
and stop posting ****.
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2010.02.17 10:47:00 -
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Stop posting
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Dr Chaz
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Posted - 2010.02.17 11:02:00 -
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The OP has clearly realised that his name/face combo will not be relevant after incarna. He will have to start new character and wants everyone else to also 
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Commander Azrael
Blood Bringers
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Posted - 2010.02.17 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Nonexistent Face
1-c) What we supporters really want is a server that optionally can have the current expansion but the timeline for this new server would be dating back to 2003 of the original server. Meaning... a million ISK really means a lot. Frigates ruled. Cruisers were yachts. Battleships were a group effort.
'We supporters'? Where are they all then? A million ISK meant a lot because there were much fewer players and a lot less ISK in circulation. How will creating a second server help any of this?
Your correct in one assumption, your post isn't very detailed at all and from the outset your idea is poorly concieved.
or, obvious troll is obvious???
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Wesfahrn
WESCORP 2.0
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Posted - 2010.02.17 11:31:00 -
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You can mine low end minerals without real risk, and you can "loot" the highend ones with very little risk. This is why battleships become abundant. Maybe CONCORD is the problem
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Fergus McRae
Gallente
New Eden Regimental Navy
Rebel Alliance of New Eden
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Posted - 2010.02.17 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Nonexistent Face
1) Why are die-hard EVE veterans so against this idea? What is so wrong about it?
Because it goes against the entire concept of the game. One universe, many players, all playing in the same space that is both big enough to accomodate them all, while small enough to provide the opportunity to interact with each other easily. Moreover, it adds realism and removes another barrier to the suspension of disbelief that we all have when we play a game of this nature.
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2) Why does CCP not endorse this idea?
See above.
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3) Would YOU play on the new server? Why? Why not?
No. See above.
People who argue for additional server/shards completely miss one of the primary points of the game.
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VanNostrum
Tigers Of Anatolia
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Posted - 2010.02.17 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: Synex
Originally by: Sader Rykane
Edited by: Sader Rykane on 17/02/2010 08:17:09
2006 player.
I guess that makes me a grumpy, elitist "vet".
I still say no.
*EDIT*
On another note:
I support accelerated learning for newer players beyond 1.6 million SP up to around 3 million.
But that's another argument for another day.
2003 player... keep working on being a 'vet'...
Only 56 mil SP in 7 years?
FAIL!
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Apoctasy
Deskira Industries
G String University
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Posted - 2010.02.17 14:02:00 -
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stupid idea OP.
Eve will now and forever more exist on only one server.
The day they open a second is the day Eve dies.
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Trixia Bonsul
Ignatium.
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Posted - 2010.02.17 14:09:00 -
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Is this one of those threads where I can post godawful ideas in response to the typical GD complaints? Cause I have one!
I think CCP should encircle the nullsec regions with a big ring of highsec systems, seeded markets and excellent level 4 agents. Then remove all cloning facilities and make it so there's no highways to get there fast. The only way to reach there would be to run-and-gun through sov space.
Now isn't that a fantastic idea?
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.02.17 17:02:00 -
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Thread locked by request.
Zymurgist
Community Representative
CCP Hf, EVE Online
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