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Estagado
Minmatar Gladiators of Rage Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.02.19 21:21:00 -
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Edited by: Estagado on 19/02/2010 21:23:07
Originally by: SunGod RA
Originally by: Estagado well heres something... ok Say your a new player and you buy 4 30 Day PLEX's from ccp. Which are $69 or so. R/L currency. you eneter game redeem the PLEX's and want to sell them so you advertized in jita.
some Scam'er comes along and opens a trade window offering 2 Billion isk For 4 PLEX's you accept and he in a split second changes the Isk amount to 0 before you can react and has there for Stolen your PLEX's without payment.
in a sense he has Stolen you $68 of R/L money which is petty theft.
for one i would pettion my 30 day plex's back and or money and if CCP tels me to bad i would press charges and file a lawsuit for haveing my money stolen through internet fraud.
i bolded and underlined the part where, as per the eula, you lost actual ownership of the items you refer to =P
once your game time is converted into an in-game item, you do not own it anymore, plus if you get scammed, it's your own responsability since you are provided with all the tools to make sure you don't get scammed.
i'm pretty sure though if you lose items thru an exploit or account hacking, they will give back your items to you.
if you don't like in-game theft/scamming thru social engineering, there are other games, such as wow i believe, where theft isn't allowed at all and GMs can intervene in your favor should that happen.
the think you have here is flaw'ed , because if i PAY for something i OWN it. how is it MY respnsability for getting Scammed? when i am USEING the tools provided to me to USE "said" PLEX's and Get SCAMED "useing the tools" provided to me, you dont make any sense. scammers in this game use every tool in the game to do just that "SCAM". i just dont see how this is legally just. if you pruchase an item and have it taken away from you by a scammer without reaping the benefits of useing the items you purchased with your real life currancy.
this is like saying. you go to the grocery market and buy a gallon of milk you pay for it and walk out of the store and some one offers to buy that gallon from you outside for 2x the amount you purchased it for and at the time of transaction he steals your milk and walks away with the money. which = a crime.
also troll, this is the only MMO i play, mabye if CCP clamped down on criminals in this game it would make it a better playing enviroment. Like other games do as you say. [url=http://killboard.systematic-chaos.eu/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=72715] [/url] |
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Sdlonyer
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Posted - 2010.02.19 21:38:00 -
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Quote: the think you have here is flaw'ed , because if i PAY for something i OWN it.
You accepted you don't when you agreed to the EULA.
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![Katarlia Simov Katarlia Simov](https://images.evetech.net/characters/812783318/portrait?size=64)
Katarlia Simov
Minmatar Cowboys From Hell
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Posted - 2010.02.19 21:40:00 -
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It made me LOL excessively that someone in this thread thinks that you could sue CCP in an American court, and indeed that beyond that they might have ANY chance of success.
'A good judge in a liberal state' ? Seriously ?
Unless that state happens to be Iceland (which IIRC is not part of the US) then the judge could order them to pay you a bajillion dollars and come round once a week to rub your feet for all the difference it would make. Just because you think you rule the world doesn't change the fact that tyou can't enforce your laws beyond your borders.
Ask the RIAA how suing foreign torrent sites is working out for them ...
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![Estagado Estagado](https://images.evetech.net/characters/840025019/portrait?size=64)
Estagado
Minmatar Gladiators of Rage Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.02.19 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Sdlonyer
Quote: the think you have here is flaw'ed , because if i PAY for something i OWN it.
You accepted you don't when you agreed to the EULA.
i Love how some people think a EULA is some kind of TEn commandments and is Superior to anything the Law says.
theft is a crime, the EULA does not say anywhere in it that it accepts the stealing of currency. you pay for a service and it is stolen unlawfully it is a crime regardless of what the EULA says. [url=http://killboard.systematic-chaos.eu/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=72715] [/url] |
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Estagado
Minmatar Gladiators of Rage Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.02.19 21:51:00 -
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http://blogs.pcworld.com/staffblog/archives/005931.html
See for yourself Virtual theft is a CRIME can and will be punished , two articles in two different country's. [url=http://killboard.systematic-chaos.eu/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=72715] [/url] |
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Exaduss
Caldari Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2010.02.20 04:01:00 -
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I love how this thread refuses to die even after the OP has already turned in his paper.
Saying because you pay for something you OWN it does not make it so. People buy licenses all the time. That does not mean they OWN the software, they are licensing it. You don't OWN Windows, or Office, or EVE. You're licensing it.
You pay for that every subscription interval.
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Ancy Denaries
The Confederate Navy
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Posted - 2010.02.21 06:10:00 -
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Originally by: Capt Fossil That has absolutly nothing to do with what I am talking about. I am talking about buying GTC's for RL currency, converting that to isk, buying an ingame item and having it stolen by an indivual who is encouraged/allowed by CCP's game mechanics and policies to do so.
Are you really this daft or are you just playin'?
It has everything to do with what you talk about. GTCs can be converted into PLEX, which can then be sold on the market. OR that GTC can be sold directly to another player, thus generating ISK. Both of these actions consume the GTC and it stops being a REAL LIFE ITEM. It becomes IN GAME ITEM which is under the rules of the EULA.
Your real life money only payed for game time. The service ends there. What you choose to do with your game time is YOUR perogative and CCP cannot, in any way, be held liable for that.
Really, your arguments are hollow. Stop. Now. ---- The Demigodess with a Conscience - An EVE IC Blog
Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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Ekon Bor
Amarr Van Diemen's Demise
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Posted - 2010.02.21 07:07:00 -
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Originally by: Estagado http://blogs.pcworld.com/staffblog/archives/005931.html
See for yourself Virtual theft is a CRIME can and will be punished , two articles in two different country's.
Firstly, one of those guys was scamming passwords via fake sites. That's clearly illegal, from the word go. Second, in the other example, the Second Life EULA is different from the Eve one, in that it assigns some IP rights to the player creators of objects. So basically, it don't matter here...
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![De'Veldrin De'Veldrin](https://images.evetech.net/characters/111238762/portrait?size=64)
De'Veldrin
Minmatar Special Projects Executive The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2010.02.21 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Estagado you pay for a service and it is stolen unlawfully it is a crime regardless of what the EULA says.
The service you paid for is game time. Please explain to us how someone else can log into the CCP database and transfer that game time to another account?
Unless of course you're accusing CCP of misappropriating your funds, in which case, you might actually have a case (wire fraud, etc). --Vel
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Jita daFajita
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Posted - 2010.02.21 16:12:00 -
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And this is why CCP does not allow people to undock with PLEX's, because of people like you.
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pleasefixthis
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Posted - 2010.02.22 19:11:00 -
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a eula is not an actual contract. if it said you had to rob a bank to pay for game time, it would be unenforcable. and they can change the eula at any time without warning or prior notification. if they stuck in a clause that said you will give us everything you own, it should be clear they could never collect. a eula provides ccp the ability to kick anyone out of the game and not get sued for doing so. nothing more.
second, you can sue CCP in American courts. any company that has offices on american soil can be sued, as they must comply with various federal laws to operate in the US (i.e. to hire employees).
just to jack up the thread even more--consider that federal wiretapping laws apply to all internet communications. how does that affect spying in the game? how about people who record vent conversations in states that have two party consent laws? |
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Awesome Possum
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.02.22 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: pleasefixthis just to jack up the thread even more--consider that federal wiretapping laws apply to all internet communications. how does that affect spying in the game? how about people who record vent conversations in states that have two party consent laws?
1. vent is not considered in game.
2. the jurisdiction of a claim of breach of privacy would be so fubar'd that it'd never see the light of day, unless both parties are in the same state. ♥
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Katarlia Simov
Minmatar Cowboys From Hell
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Posted - 2010.02.22 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Possum
Originally by: pleasefixthis just to jack up the thread even more--consider that federal wiretapping laws apply to all internet communications. how does that affect spying in the game? how about people who record vent conversations in states that have two party consent laws?
1. vent is not considered in game.
2. the jurisdiction of a claim of breach of privacy would be so fubar'd that it'd never see the light of day, unless both parties are in the same state.
U'd go beyond that. I don't think you can accuse someone who has somehow persuaded the admins to give him access to their vent of 'wire tapping' or indeed of breaching privacy. Thats like letting someone into your house (for whatever reason) but saying your ornaments are none of his buisness.
As I understand it, if you hack someones vent (ie without anyone giving any character permission to do so) for the purposes of intelligence gathering, then CCP, and potentially local enforcement will come and kick the crap out of you. That is not an ingame mechanic, and so is not fair game. Same as if you used your computer know-how to shut down all the players from a particular alliance.
However, if you cultivate a trust and friendship in-game to achieve the same end, even if it turns out to be totally fraudulent, then that's your own dirty lying business.
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pleasefixthis
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Posted - 2010.02.22 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Possum
1. vent is not considered in game.
2. the jurisdiction of a claim of breach of privacy would be so fubar'd that it'd never see the light of day, unless both parties are in the same state.
1. so what? still relevant. replace vent with eve voice then. 2. youre assuming the only issue is breach of privacy:
Quote: (d) It shall not be unlawful under this chapter for a person not acting under color of law to intercept a wire, oral, or electronic communication where such person is a party to the communication or where one of the parties to the communication has given prior consent to such interception unless such communication is intercepted for the purpose of committing any criminal or tortious act in violation of the Constitution or laws of the United States or of any State.
link to law
tortious--implying or involving tort tort--a wrongful act other than a breach of contract for which relief may be obtained in the form of damages or an injunction (i.e. anything you can get sued for)
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Yakov Draken
Minmatar Tides Of War
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Posted - 2010.02.22 20:25:00 -
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This is the dumbest thread I have ever seen. I'm not sure if I should thank you guys for enlightnening me about human stupidity or just shake my head in horror.
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Awesome Possum
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.02.22 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: pleasefixthis
Originally by: Awesome Possum
1. vent is not considered in game.
2. the jurisdiction of a claim of breach of privacy would be so fubar'd that it'd never see the light of day, unless both parties are in the same state.
1. so what? still relevant. replace vent with eve voice then. 2. youre assuming the only issue is breach of privacy:
Quote: (d) It shall not be unlawful under this chapter for a person not acting under color of law to intercept a wire, oral, or electronic communication where such person is a party to the communication or where one of the parties to the communication has given prior consent to such interception unless such communication is intercepted for the purpose of committing any criminal or tortious act in violation of the Constitution or laws of the United States or of any State.
link to law
tortious--implying or involving tort tort--a wrongful act other than a breach of contract for which relief may be obtained in the form of damages or an injunction (i.e. anything you can get sued for)
1. Eve voice is the property of CCP and any communications used over CCP's property are subject to CCP alone. And i'm pretty sure they've given permission for people to capture voice/video using the eve client.
So your point 1 null and void.
2. first off, as has been said above, if someone has been GIVEN access to vent info.. then it could be implied that the recording of convos is consent. if the person 'hacked' their way in, then they've already broken laws.
second, you would have to prove that in game "crimes", in a game where such "crimes" are ALLOWED and ENCOURAGED by the makers of the game, are a tortious act.
I'm sure you could in Australia. ♥
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar Special Projects Executive The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2010.02.22 21:14:00 -
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Not saying I agree or disagree, but here's a paper from 2008 on the subject from the Northwestern Journal of Technology and Intellectual Property
http://www.law.northwestern.edu/journals/njtip/v6/n2/7/
--Vel
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Permabear
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Posted - 2010.02.22 21:37:00 -
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Edited by: Permabear on 22/02/2010 21:37:57 EULA is a can of worms nobody really likes to touch. In some countries it may be entirely valid, in others it is partially valid. In some countries it it valid only if you agree to EULA before the actual purchase and in many countries there are laws that cover may parts of EULA regardless of it's validity. Quite possibly there are countries where EULA is never valid but I can't really even point a finger to the direction where you could get all this info.
In my opinion it matters little that CCP owns the ISK or the fact ISK has no 'real' value. Our 'real' money has no 'real' value either and it's price is being re-negotiated all the time. In addition we do not own the 'real' money - the central banks do. This doesn't mean you could not sue someone for stealing money out of your wallet.
I think the main reason why EULA is not really being touched is the fact that opening that can of worms would make quite a mess. But I really do think that this must be done at some point and I'm personally one of those 'better sooner than later' guys.
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Awesome Possum
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.02.22 21:41:00 -
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Originally by: De'Veldrin Edited by: De''Veldrin on 22/02/2010 21:21:27 Not saying I agree or disagree, but here's a paper from 2008 on the subject from the Northwestern Journal of Technology and Intellectual Property
http://www.law.northwestern.edu/journals/njtip/v6/n2/7/
Well that was a load of poop.
Was a whole bunch of "but what if it WAS your property..."
It isn't. Everything is the property of CCP. They say we can lie cheat scam and steal. So it happens. ♥
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Baka Lakadaka
Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.02.23 02:41:00 -
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Of course you can sue someone who scams you out of your ISK or your mothership.
You just have to travel to the correct jurisdiction. Fly towards the sun and turn left at Mercury, continue out of the solar system to Alpha Centauri (there's a great little burger place for a lunch-time stopover there), then just keep on going.........eventually you'll get there and the court is the third building on the left - opposite Starbucks, between KFC and McDonalds. ______________________ Agony Unleashed Home of the PvP University. |
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2010.02.23 02:43:00 -
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ha ha :simpsons:
Interweb lawyers
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DrJ Zoidberg
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2010.02.23 10:44:00 -
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Originally by: Amy Platt
Originally by: Shodow Whisperer 2b.Example û you lose 2-3 ship / day, insurance costs rice
to deter chinese players?
Did have to read the rest of the thread, I doubt I'll lol harder at anything else.
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Scoos Mei
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Posted - 2010.02.23 11:51:00 -
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Edited by: Scoos Mei on 23/02/2010 11:52:13
Originally by: Etro Tanar Unless anyone here is a lawyer, these posts are all speculation and have no real legal standing whatsoever.
I would, however, raise the point that in many countries some sections of software terms and conditions are void due to the laws of that country. Just because you agree to the terms, doesn't make them legally enforcable.
I love the way you then go on to speculate yourself!
Actually some of the posts are quite informed, notably the person on the front page who quoted the relevant section of the EULA
Next no lawyer, nor even a judge, would venture a legally valid opinion on a forum like this. In England pre-trial solicitors sometimes get what are called barrister's opinions which are argued, researched and very expensive. Even those are not legally binding nor would a statement from a judge be binding when he is not presiding over a court.
As an aside I want to demystify the coffee case urban myth that everyone is throwing about. The woman split her coffee over her infant daughter inflicting burns. The coffee was found to be undrinkably hot, about 40 degrees C hotter than coffee sold at other similar restaurants. There was no good reason for the coffee to be so dangerously hot and it caused genuine injury to a young child. It was not a frivolous judgment although it has been widely reported as one.
If the OP or anyone else really wants a conclusive answer then there should be a fast track minor court procedure for simple money claims in your country. Go ahead and sue, self-represent, it doesn't cost a great deal. The UK website is: https://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/csmco2/index.jsp
Finally everyone in a free society should have an interest in and an understanding of the law. If you don't understand and use your rights they will be eroded. Not that I think the OP will win his case but he's entitled to his day in court if he feels aggrieved.
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pleasefixthis
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Posted - 2010.02.23 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Possum 1. Eve voice is the property of CCP and any communications used over CCP's property are subject to CCP alone. And i'm pretty sure they've given permission for people to capture voice/video using the eve client.
So your point 1 null and void.
2. first off, as has been said above, if someone has been GIVEN access to vent info.. then it could be implied that the recording of convos is consent. if the person 'hacked' their way in, then they've already broken laws.
i can tell u didnt actually look anything up. because if you had googled it (like i did to get the citation), you would have read through the materials disproving your points. first, it doesn't matter who owns what. AT+T owns the phone lines to my house. If they were to record my calls, they would be guilty of a federal crime, regardless of the fact they owned it. more relevant, the law applies to conversations that occur in person as well. ownership has absolutely nothing to do with this law. second, none of your concerns is relevant. why? the part of the law i bolded for you--intent to do wrong or to engage in a tortious act. at least read before responding. i would have expected you to reuse the original arguments. are the acts that occured in fact tortious? which is what this thread was originally about. which is why i said originally that i would jack the thread up some more. people do love to rattle on about things they know nothing about. (and if that isnt an obvious enough troll line for you, i cant help you anymore) |
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Doctor Cal'torien
Gallente The Vikings of the Black Sea
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Posted - 2010.02.23 19:09:00 -
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*groan* please guys, this thread really, really sucks _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-
Originally by: Damien Grammaticus Feeding your cat Scrabble tiles and copying the poop would have created a more legible post.
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Katarlia Simov
Minmatar Cowboys From Hell
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Posted - 2010.02.23 20:10:00 -
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Edited by: Katarlia Simov on 23/02/2010 20:12:18 Edited by: Katarlia Simov on 23/02/2010 20:10:39
Originally by: pleasefixthis PLEASE GOD LEARN HOW TO USE PARAGRAPHS
The law relating to recording phone calls, at least in my jurisdiction (and I consider the UK to have a reasonably good legal system) is explicit. It is only illegal if you introduce a device somewhere along the phone line. That is, you place your recorder in the phonelines, the exchange, the hand set or anything else conntected to the system. That it.
What is NOT illegal is the recording of sound that is broadcast by the system. Simply put, it is legal to put you phone on speaker and leave a tape recorder running in the room while you conduct your phone call. In that case, you have no requirement to ask permission (as you would using a device within the system), nor must you give any idication what is happening. That is why telemarketers and any kinds of corporate phone lines have to say 'Your call may be recorded' because they use a device built into the phone network.
Now, as far as VoIP or any internet communication is concerned, the same goes. That means using a box connected between you and your modem, or the other guy and his, is illegal. However, if you are recording PLAYBACK of the sound generated, then thats your own business.
How do you think responsible journalists record phone calls without going to jail ? How could ANY telephone evidence ever be used at all thinking of that ? Criminals could happily say ANYTHING over the phone safe in the knowledge that it can't be used as evidence, because it was illegally gathered (without a warrant anyway, but thats a different matter)
Applied to eve, FRAPs or whatever other programme you use to capture the sound coming from you PC is fine, because you haven't interfered with the source of the sound, and once it leaves Vent etc, you are allowed to record it, before it reaches your speakers.
Put simply, you can record anything that plays back on your pc. What you can use it for, now thats different, because it may be copyrighted or otherwise owned or restricted, but other wise, you are free to record things as and when you want.
Maybe you should remember that CCP will always defend any suits brought against itself or its subscribers with the much maligned but never defeated defence that Eve is a game, and (as per EULA) nothing in side it has a real world value AT ALL. As it has no value, loss or theft of it is IMPOSSIBLE. Attempting to ascribe real world value to in game items breaches the EULA, and in doing so you are no longer allowed to play.
If you commit an RL crime (hacking, wiretapping), that is a matter for your local law enforcement, but civil suits arent like that, and you are required to demonstrate DAMAGE rather than simply breach of the law (becuase if you HAD broken the law, it would be a police matter, not a civil one). As nothing within Eve has tangable value, a loss of it cannot be deemed to be damaging. Upsetting ? Maybe, but you agreed to play a game where this can happen, unlike in real life.
Put simply.
STFU
Peace out y'all.
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Mo0seluffer
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Posted - 2010.02.23 22:56:00 -
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Jeebus...The thought it must take some of you people to post walls of texts about something that doesn't even matter at the end of the day is cwazy...Does make for a good read though,If that.![Shocked](/images/icon_eek.gif)
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Katarlia Simov
Minmatar Cowboys From Hell
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Posted - 2010.02.24 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: Mo0seluffer Jeebus...The thought it must take some of you people to post walls of texts about something that doesn't even matter at the end of the day is cwazy...Does make for a good read though,If that.![Shocked](/images/icon_eek.gif)
A good 99% of the internet is things that doesn't even matter :P Some of us just like arguing, or slapping the stupid, or both :)
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Adelina Jasna
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Posted - 2010.02.24 05:48:00 -
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Originally by: Capt Fossil I have wondered about similar issues myself, including the possibility off CCP being culpably negligent for encouraging the use of RL money on one hand to purchase ingame assets, and on the other hand encouraging/allowing the wholesale theft of said assets by other players.
Bottom line, get the right lawyer in a liberal state in the US and subpoena's for player records/personal info at least, would be landing on CCP's doorstep.
"Well your honor, this player seems to have a phony E-mail, runs the game through a proxy...in fact CCP has no real info on him at all!"
No doubt in my mind that if substantial RL money was involved, somebody is gonna be found liable, or at the very least, negligent.
In my semi-educated laymens opinion of course.
Because apparently American law applies to Iceland.
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Thrasymachus TheSophist
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Posted - 2010.02.24 05:58:00 -
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What a preposterous thread. Kudos to the OP for actually convincing some people to support the idea! 8/10.
Fact: You pay to "play" the game. The game permits scams - its part of the rules. Nothing is being "stolen" from you, you're losing the game ....
This is like someone suing his opponents in a Monopoly game because they wheel/deal and won't trade him that third yellow card (Marvin Gardens?).
Seriously people .... Nothing is being "stolen" from you. You paid to play. The rules allow for other players to take your stuff, or blow it up, or whatever. The service you are paying for includes the privilege of being "scammed", "ripped off", etc.
Don't like it? Don't trust anyone with any of your stuff. Or, alternatively, petition CCP to change the game mechanics/rules.
Last: To anticipate some budding esquire's next response -- No, even if someone exploits an unintended loophole in the mechanics or violates the rules, you are not entitled to any compensation. Why? The same reason you aren't entitled to compensation when your opponent in a sport commits a penalty. Even if you paid $200 to play in the league. Even if the penalty ruined yoru day or made you want to quit. Even if the penalty made everything you'd worked for all season go down the ****ter.
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