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Bodrul
Caldari
Polaris Rising
Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.17 15:30:00 -
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anyone who watched invention of lieing would know what i am talking about (and yes the Film had one or two funny moments and the rest was cheeeeeeeesy)
if no one could Lie, how would the world be diffrent compared to how it is now?
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2010.02.17 15:53:00 -
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People wouldn't be so butthurt about getting told the truth to their faces anymore.
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.17 15:54:00 -
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Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 17/02/2010 15:55:05
Unfortunately I think violence would suddenly explode.
EDIT: Until what Abrazzar says actually comes into equilibrium within the human population 
Slade
 Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
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Jago Kain
Amarr
Ramm's RDI
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2010.02.17 17:00:00 -
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I have long maintained that the way forward for humanity lies (lol) in the invention of a 100% successful, incontrovertable lie detector. I'm pretty sure it's not an original idea, and I can't for the life of me think were I came across it - all I know is it appeals to me.
Aside from the obvious use in criminal proceedings, there is one very important application.
Anyone in a position of power or authority (politicians, social services personnel, police, civil servants of all stripes, bankers, senior military ranks, judges, lawyers etc.) is asked a simple questions each year... "Are you doing your job properly?".
This allows four possible outcomes.
1. Subject answers "No" and is lying. Least likely to happen. Solution - bears further investigation.
2. Subject answers "No" and is telling the truth. Solution - sack 'em and let someone who will do the job properly have a go. No need to go over the top with reprisals; perhaps they felt they could do the job before they got it, but later discovered they just weren't up to it. No biggie; they were honest about their failure and they can go do something else.
3. Subject answers "Yes" and is telling the truth. Excllent; this should eventually be the result from all.
4. Subject answers "Yes" and is lying. Prosecute the bastard, with severe penalties for those convicted.
This would minimise the occurance of folk lying to get into positions of power and serving their own interests, rather than those of the folk they are supposed to represent or look after.
It also still allows for democracy and party politics; it is still possible to favour a different approach and point of view from another person, without being decietful.
Every single politician tells us that they have only our best interests at heart (well - we wouldn't vote for the twunts if they admitted they were only looking to get their nose in the trough) and here's how we sort the wheat from the chaf and spot the bastards who will sell us down the river for profit once they get a sniff of the reins of power.
Obviously, the potential for abuse here is massive, which is why it would need to be absolutely incontrovertable, and the body of folk admistering the tests would have to be totally transparent and accountable to everybody.
Main problem though, is who would fund the research into it? Anyone currently in a position to authorise said research would almost certainly come into category 4 and thus be threatened by such a breakthrough's mere existence.
It also wouldn't fix everything overnight, but it would certainly give us a base to work from. After all, how much easier would things be if we could actually trust those in positions of power and authority now to do the job they have without prejudice?
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Alchemist Zemont
Gallente
Hysteria Nexus
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Posted - 2010.02.17 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar
People wouldn't be so butthurt about getting told the truth to their faces anymore.
This
No idea what show / movie you are on about though
"Be sincere" zzz, people CANT handle the truth, if you be tactful they assume nothing is wrong if you say the truth they WILL get defensive, people really need to learn how to take criticism
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Kijo Rikki
Caldari
Swarm of Angry Bees
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Posted - 2010.02.17 17:29:00 -
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Oh, a world without lies?  That would be a scary place, no doubt in my mind. Sometimes you have to stop and ask yourself, do I really want to know the truth? The answer seems simple when you think about it but the true answer, should the situation should it ever present itself to you, may shock you.
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Fyretracker Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2010.02.17 23:17:00 -
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Miranda......
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Chilton Haynes
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Posted - 2010.02.18 06:43:00 -
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...a world without religion would be better! |
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Posted - 2010.02.18 07:44:00 -
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This engaged chick im dating for a bit watches this show, we are watching it next friday after some Italian dinner! ill tell ya how it is!!
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.02.18 07:46:00 -
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Originally by: Chilton Haynes
...a world without religion would be better!
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Cautet
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2010.02.18 10:22:00 -
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Edited by: Cautet on 18/02/2010 10:28:25
Originally by: Jago Kain
I have long maintained that the way forward for humanity lies (lol) in the invention of a 100% successful, incontrovertable lie detector. I'm pretty sure it's not an original idea, and I can't for the life of me think were I came across it - all I know is it appeals to me.
Aside from the obvious use in criminal proceedings, there is one very important application.
Anyone in a position of power or authority (politicians, social services personnel, police, civil servants of all stripes, bankers, senior military ranks, judges, lawyers etc.) is asked a simple questions each year... "Are you doing your job properly?".
This allows four possible outcomes.
1. Subject answers "No" and is lying. Least likely to happen. Solution - bears further investigation.
2. Subject answers "No" and is telling the truth. Solution - sack 'em and let someone who will do the job properly have a go. No need to go over the top with reprisals; perhaps they felt they could do the job before they got it, but later discovered they just weren't up to it. No biggie; they were honest about their failure and they can go do something else.
3. Subject answers "Yes" and is telling the truth. Excllent; this should eventually be the result from all.
4. Subject answers "Yes" and is lying. Prosecute the bastard, with severe penalties for those convicted.
This would minimise the occurance of folk lying to get into positions of power and serving their own interests, rather than those of the folk they are supposed to represent or look after.
It also still allows for democracy and party politics; it is still possible to favour a different approach and point of view from another person, without being decietful.
Every single politician tells us that they have only our best interests at heart (well - we wouldn't vote for the twunts if they admitted they were only looking to get their nose in the trough) and here's how we sort the wheat from the chaf and spot the bastards who will sell us down the river for profit once they get a sniff of the reins of power.
Obviously, the potential for abuse here is massive, which is why it would need to be absolutely incontrovertable, and the body of folk admistering the tests would have to be totally transparent and accountable to everybody.
Main problem though, is who would fund the research into it? Anyone currently in a position to authorise said research would almost certainly come into category 4 and thus be threatened by such a breakthrough's mere existence.
It also wouldn't fix everything overnight, but it would certainly give us a base to work from. After all, how much easier would things be if we could actually trust those in positions of power and authority now to do the job they have without prejudice?
I think you have underestimated the nature and extent of self-deception.
Also, it is a rather vague and subjective question. Leaves it open to the morals or lack thereof of the person involved to decide what doing his job properly means and to evaluate his job against that criteria.
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Nefrin Maldoes
Minmatar
Outer Rim Survey and Salvage
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Posted - 2010.02.18 11:34:00 -
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Forget the lie detector, give me the wormhole technology!
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Sanguis Sanies
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.02.18 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Jago Kain
I have long maintained that the way forward for humanity lies (lol) in the invention of a 100% successful, incontrovertable lie detector.
Functional Magnetic Resonance Imaging (fMRI) can do exactly that; by seeing where blood flows in the brain (memory centre for truth, creativity centre for lies) you can pinpoint a lie with very high accuracy (excluding actual brain damage and total self-delusion).
The problem is that fMRI's cost over a million dollars each, the machines themselves are the size of a small 4WD and the actual scans cost in the vicinity of several thousands dollars each. But with Moores Law and a few leaps and bounds in quantum computing it shouldn't be more than a century before something no larger than a pea can be implanted directly into your brain.
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Jago Kain
Amarr
Ramm's RDI
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2010.02.18 21:03:00 -
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Edited by: Jago Kain on 18/02/2010 21:06:12
Originally by: Cautet
I think you have underestimated the nature and extent of self-deception.
Possibly. However, I am firmly convinced that certain politicians (i.e. most of them) know when they are taking the **** and gimping the rest of us for personal gain. This would at least be a start.
You can't tell me that the evil bastards who keep dragging (actually, pushing would be a better word; dragging implies that they are actually in harm's way when nothing is further from the truth) us into wars and raising taxes for the poor, whilst giving the already obnoxiously rich further get-outs don't know it's wrong.
Originally by: Cautet
Also, it is a rather vague and subjective question. Leaves it open to the morals or lack thereof of the person involved to decide what doing his job properly means and to evaluate his job against that criteria.
I don't think the question is vague at all and yes, it is purposefully subjective. After all; whose morals would you suggest folk use to determine the answer?
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Fyretracker Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2010.02.19 00:45:00 -
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the Alliance tried to make a world without sin/lies. and we got Reavers from it.
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Digital Solaris
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.02.19 03:28:00 -
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Sorry guys, but I've slept with your wives....
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Jago Kain
Amarr
Ramm's RDI
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2010.02.19 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: Digital Solaris
Sorry guys, but I've slept with your wives....
You have my deepest sympathy. A word of warning though, keep a close eye on your bank account and wallet.
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