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Hydroz0rz	Posted - 2010.02.25 10:52:00 - [1] So I've Just purchased a Proteus, I import all skills into EFT and check they're all correct. I make a fit I like for PvE just as a test situation, I find one I like so I make it in game exactly as it says in EFT. However in game I find my EHP is about 40,000 DOWN as to what was stated in EFT. Is this a bug? If not then is EFT actually incorrect?

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.02.25 10:56:00 - [2] EFT calculates average EHP, while client shows you LEAST possible EHP, determined by the weakest resistances. So in other words you usually get more EHP than the client tells you if you encounter various damage types. Secure 3rd party service

Sitara Minmatar Solar Flare Trade and Production	Posted - 2010.02.25 11:22:00 - [3] I've got one fit that EFT says is cap stable but eve says is not. Funnily enough in practice the fit seems to be stable (least its not run out of cap on me yet)...
Mecinia Lua Galactic Express Primary.	Posted - 2010.02.25 11:30:00 - [4] There are some minor rounding differences but as the others said :) Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts. Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. -Mitnal
Pellit1 Caldari Bushwhackers Rough Necks	Posted - 2010.02.25 11:51:00 - [5] Originally by: Chribba Edited by: Chribba on 25/02/2010 10:57:36 EFT calculates average EHP, while client shows you lowest possible EHP, determined by the weakest resistances. So in other words you usually get more EHP than the client tells you if you encounter various damage types. This. If you make 4 different damage uniforms (100% damage on each damage type) and then uniform it all to your lowest resist, you should get the same result. ------------- Rough Necks Alliance BOOST FALCONS. Nerf whiners.
Oddymandius Minmatar	Posted - 2010.02.25 12:20:00 - [6] The Eve fitting window also doesn't apply EHP for Damage Controls and active hardeners unless your're actually in space with them turned on, which is pretty stupid.
Myryanius	Posted - 2010.02.25 12:21:00 - [7] Originally by: Oddymandius The Eve fitting window also doesn't apply EHP for Damage Controls and active hardeners unless your're actually in space with them turned on, which is pretty stupid. Even with them turned on, the eve client still shows lower than EFT.
Zaqar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2010.02.25 13:59:00 - [8] If only Gripen would include some sort of FAQ.txt with EFT that answers these very common questions. Oh wait, he does.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.02.25 14:02:00 - [9] I've discovered a workaround. Don't use EFT. My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Athar Mu Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2010.02.25 14:57:00 - [10] Originally by: Professor Tarantula I've discovered a workaround. Don't use EFT. Me too...don't undock and if you do, don't fly anything other than a Rookie ship. 2 years, 8 months and 3 days and I haven't flown anything but a Velator
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.02.25 15:11:00 - [11] Originally by: Athar Mu Originally by: Professor Tarantula I've discovered a workaround. Don't use EFT. Me too...don't undock and if you do, don't fly anything other than a Rookie ship. 2 years, 8 months and 3 days and I haven't flown anything but a Velator Been playing since '05 and have done fine without it. The best thing about not using it, is i don't make more threads like this. My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Alchemist's Alt Gallente Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2010.02.25 15:22:00 - [12] EFT isnt always 100% accurate but most of the time it is, its very nice to use and isnt there just for the HP FIRST!!
Ryhss Caldari	Posted - 2010.02.25 18:33:00 - [13] Originally by: Professor Tarantula I've discovered a workaround. Don't use EFT. THIS. This is my sig, stop reading.
Sig Sour	Posted - 2010.02.25 18:41:00 - [14] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Been playing since '05 and have done fine without it. The best thing about not using it, is i don't make more threads like this. Mining barges and industrial ships are easy to fit. You are being a bit dramatic in regards to this thread.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.02.25 18:50:00 - [15] Originally by: Sig Sour Originally by: Professor Tarantula Been playing since '05 and have done fine without it. The best thing about not using it, is i don't make more threads like this. Mining barges and industrial ships are easy to fit. You are being a bit dramatic in regards to this thread. No one needs EFT for anything. Sorry if you think that's dramatic, but it's just how i've always seen it. My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Ryhss Caldari	Posted - 2010.02.25 18:53:00 - [16] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Originally by: Sig Sour Originally by: Professor Tarantula Been playing since '05 and have done fine without it. The best thing about not using it, is i don't make more threads like this. Mining barges and industrial ships are easy to fit. You are being a bit dramatic in regards to this thread. No one needs EFT for anything. Sorry if you think that's dramatic, but it's just how i've always seen it. I agree. Not needed but it's fun for some. This is my sig, stop reading.
Galius Zed	Posted - 2010.02.25 19:32:00 - [17] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Originally by: Sig Sour Originally by: Professor Tarantula Been playing since '05 and have done fine without it. The best thing about not using it, is i don't make more threads like this. Mining barges and industrial ships are easy to fit. You are being a bit dramatic in regards to this thread. No one needs EFT for anything. Sorry if you think that's dramatic, but it's just how i've always seen it. Well I agree, if there was a true ingame fitting feature. For just one example, rigs. You would have to either do all the calculations yourself (not the point of the post) or actually go out and build/buy a rig, fit it to the ship and see if you are cap stable, fast enough, or have enough defense for what you were "planning" on doing. The whole point of a fitting tool is similar to why they let you save/import your fittings now......speed! It's quicker to click a "load" button and automagically have your ship re-fitted in a couple seconds instead of doing it manually. Same thing with the modules themselves. Not only can you see instantly and quickly what certain modules/rigs/drones do for you, but, EFT can also assist in determining that if you take a certain skill to say lvl 5, what exactly will that do to all the equations and if it's worth it or not. vOv
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Punic Corp.	Posted - 2010.02.25 19:39:00 - [18] Originally by: Professor Tarantula I've discovered a workaround. Don't use EFT. Then you'd be missing out. It is an extremely useful tool, and it is pretty much always correct in its numbers. ----- 'In Eve, as in real life, if you are bored it's your own fault.'
Sitara Minmatar Solar Flare Trade and Production	Posted - 2010.02.25 20:17:00 - [19] Originally by: Reem Fairchild Then you'd be missing out. It is an extremely useful tool, and it is pretty much always correct in its numbers. This tbh, tho more for PvE setups where you can get exactly the tank you need as you know what you'll be facing and thus maximise DPS (and isk earned per hour). For PvP setups I find it less (but still) useful.
XXSketchxx Gallente Remote Soviet Industries	Posted - 2010.02.25 20:37:00 - [20] EFT is great for determining PvE viability and figuring out pg/cpu situations (and possible need for implants/rigs/fitting mods) With that said, it does perpetuate mass idiocy in the form of EFT warriors. _____________________________________________ -Sketch, Certified Pharmacist Need a Boost?
Babel Ma'asei Merkabah Naraka.	Posted - 2010.02.25 20:48:00 - [21] I've been playing EFT for years now and have never needed to use EVE, is it much different ? . Originally by: AFK Cloaker
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2010.02.25 21:26:00 - [22] Originally by: Professor Tarantula No one needs EFT for anything. Sorry if you think that's dramatic, but it's just how i've always seen it. EFT is just a tool. Why you would arbitrarily decide not to use some particular tool escapes me. Do you also berate people who use hammers? (After all you can drive a nail with a wrench, no one needs a hammer for anything.) Are you starting an anti-Phillips-screwdriver newsletter? ("Slot screws were good enough for Jesus, so they's good enough for me!") Bah! Nobody needs two hands! I can forum post with one hand tied behind my back! Well, I can, but why would I want to and what would make me think anyone else would care if I did? Is this just the forum equivalent to "Look Ma! No hands! Look at me! Look! Look! No hands! Ma! Look at me!" OK then Prof, we're looking. Eve without EFT, what a big brave boy you are! Now go outside and play while the grown-ups talk.

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