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Kyra Felann Gallente	Posted - 2010.02.28 05:23:00 - [31] Because anecdotal evidence from one person in one region is so much better than actual statistics compiled by CCP from the servers.
Capt Fossil Gallente	Posted - 2010.02.28 05:23:00 - [32] Originally by: bff Jill Obviously everyone attacking the OP has a macro fleet or is a macro miner sympathizer. Thanks I needed that. I came here just to enighten the average eve player to what is REALLY going on. All the naysayers have alterior motives. NO DOUBT about it. Cmon you idiots! I will put myself out of the BS self-destructing Biz if prices go up 5%! Plan to anyway...almost made enough. CCP has to re-think the whole mining/mineral thing anyway....if they don't want to....well then they are supporting MAJOR Macro miners, who can only be RMT traders. Speak up CCP!
Mistah Ewedynao Gallente	Posted - 2010.02.28 05:32:00 - [33] Originally by: Kyra Felann Because anecdotal evidence from one person in one region is so much better than actual statistics compiled by CCP from the servers. Another Macro fan, you know my locater agent is looking for you. So many targets, so little time. C'mon Capt Fossil, give us their names!
Nicolo da'Vicenza Amarr Dissonance Corp Primary.	Posted - 2010.02.28 06:11:00 - [34] Why not just post screenshot of market transaction logs then with identifying info blurred out? fake edit: posting in yet another 'my other account is a trillionaire, so you should listen to what i have to say'
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries	Posted - 2010.02.28 06:27:00 - [35] Originally by: Capt Fossil I came here just to enighten the average eve player to what is REALLY going on. All the naysayers have alterior motives. NO DOUBT about it. You're kinda like one of those people who think Peak Oil is a conspiracy and there's no reason to worry cause the oil being drilled is a renewable resource.
Liang Nuren No Salvation War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.02.28 06:29:00 - [36] Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab You're kinda like one of those people who think Peak Oil is a conspiracy and there's no reason to worry cause the oil being drilled is a renewable resource. Prove to me that all of the refined modules came from missions. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries	Posted - 2010.02.28 06:44:00 - [37] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab You're kinda like one of those people who think Peak Oil is a conspiracy and there's no reason to worry cause the oil being drilled is a renewable resource. Prove to me that all of the refined modules came from missions. And you are like those who think that since volcanoes release a lot of CO2 then AGW must be bunk else we'd already have had global warming.
Liang Nuren No Salvation War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.02.28 06:47:00 - [38] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 28/02/2010 06:47:46 Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab And you are like those who think that since volcanoes release a lot of CO2 then AGW must be bunk else we'd already have had global warming. No, I'm like the guy that points at morphite in the output of refined modules and says "that came from a T2 module - and missions don't drop T2 modules". -Liang Ed: Which proves that the modules didn't all come from missions, in case you missed it. Thus, that post cannot be applied in the way its applied. -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Ris Dnalor Minmatar Ex Cruoris Libertas	Posted - 2010.02.28 07:12:00 - [39] Well I'd say their numbers viewing how many minerals are made from items could possibly be skewed as many of the items might've been made from minerals in the place ... used to be called "compressing minerals" as there are quite a few items that take much much less space than the minerals they contain upon recycling. Now, if CCP was only checking meta 1 - 4 items then that might be a fair comparison... however most of what is dropped by npc pirates is just normal tech 1 garbage.
WhiteSavage Ever Flow Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.28 07:25:00 - [40] There are a HELL of a lot of macro miners/ratters in this game. I've talked to many people who speak about alt accounts for exactly that... Macro's are a major part of the eve economy. Naysayers be idiots.
Antihrist Pripravnik Gallente Scorpion Road Industry	Posted - 2010.02.28 07:36:00 - [41] Originally by: Liang Nuren No, I'm like the guy that points at morphite in the output of refined modules and says "that came from a T2 module - and missions don't drop T2 modules". Missions drop Morphite in the form of alloys which are loot from rogue drones.
Liang Nuren No Salvation War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.02.28 07:39:00 - [42] Originally by: Antihrist Pripravnik Originally by: Liang Nuren No, I'm like the guy that points at morphite in the output of refined modules and says "that came from a T2 module - and missions don't drop T2 modules". Missions drop Morphite in the form of alloys which are loot from rogue drones. Drone poo was specifically broken out separately. Thus, no, the morphite could not have come from there. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Capt Fossil Gallente	Posted - 2010.02.28 07:40:00 - [43] Edited by: Capt Fossil on 28/02/2010 07:43:05 Originally by: WhiteSavage There are a HELL of a lot of macro miners/ratters in this game. I've talked to many people who speak about alt accounts for exactly that... Macro's are a major part of the eve economy. Naysayers be idiots. Naysayers are Macro Fleet commanders.....this is no BS. So CCP what are you gonna do about it? Or alternativetly......what's the approved macro? Cause I would love to earn 200M isk while I sleep instead of this stupid blow up the BS crap I am doing to feed the macro miners!
Kyra Felann Gallente	Posted - 2010.02.28 07:43:00 - [44] Originally by: Mistah Ewedynao Edited by: Mistah Ewedynao on 28/02/2010 05:37:21 Originally by: Kyra Felann Because anecdotal evidence from one person in one region is so much better than actual statistics compiled by CCP from the servers. Another Macro fan, you know my locater agent is looking for you. So many targets, so little time. C'mon Capt Fossil, give us their names! edit: And yeah, CCP what is your policy on Macro Miners??? Can we kill them cheap? Shouldn't there be some type of ingame mechanic to discourage them? Or are Macro Miners a profit center for eve online, which HURTS all the real miners ingame? Like the Capt said: Speak up CCP! Sorry, you confused use of logic with macro mining. Common mistake, evidently. Seriously, who am I going to trust, some random guy on the forums or CCP?
Liang Nuren No Salvation War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.02.28 07:46:00 - [45] Originally by: Kyra Felann Sorry, you confused use of logic with macro mining. Common mistake, evidently. Seriously, who am I going to trust, some random guy on the forums or CCP? The real question is whether you're applying what CCP said correctly. Did you misinterpret them? -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Kapse Locke Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.02.28 07:57:00 - [46] Originally by: Capt Fossil I came here just to enighten the average eve player to what is REALLY going on. Don't worry man, THE TRUTH is OUT THERE. I WANT TO BELIEVE
Kyra Felann Gallente	Posted - 2010.02.28 08:05:00 - [47] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Kyra Felann Sorry, you confused use of logic with macro mining. Common mistake, evidently. Seriously, who am I going to trust, some random guy on the forums or CCP? The real question is whether you're applying what CCP said correctly. Did you misinterpret them? -Liang Wow, this is quickly turning into tinfoil hat central. If you read above, you'll notice that I didn't say anything except that I'm not likely to take what some random guy says over what CCP said. I didn't apply anything, represent, or misrepresent anything. He presents his personal experiences in one region as being basis enough for broad generalizations about the state of the economy, and I was sarcastically commenting on that.
Capt Fossil Gallente	Posted - 2010.02.28 08:10:00 - [48] Edited by: Capt Fossil on 28/02/2010 08:14:58 Edited by: Capt Fossil on 28/02/2010 08:14:01 Originally by: Kyra Felann Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Kyra Felann Sorry, you confused use of logic with macro mining. Common mistake, evidently. Seriously, who am I going to trust, some random guy on the forums or CCP? The real question is whether you're applying what CCP said correctly. Did you misinterpret them? -Liang Wow, this is quickly turning into tinfoil hat central. If you read above, you'll notice that I didn't say anything except that I'm not likely to take what some random guy says over what CCP said. I didn't apply anything, represent, or misrepresent anything. He presents his personal experiences in one region as being basis enough for broad generalizations about the state of the economy, and I was sarcastically commenting on that. Do you have any experience in any region...besides maybe the CCP office? Honestly....if you don't see this going on in your region you are either another bot, a CCP troll or just plain stupid. Prove me wrong. I can supply the data. No human group is brain dead enough to mine 50 M Trit in 24 hours. Except maybe you.
Liang Nuren No Salvation War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.02.28 08:15:00 - [49] Originally by: Kyra Felann Wow, this is quickly turning into tinfoil hat central. I see. It's tinfoil hatty of me to say that perhaps everyone running around screaming about how 40% of the minerals in Eve come from missions might have slightly different data than they thought they had. Especially when there aren't really any other answers that explain the discrepancy. RRriiiiiigggghhhhtttt. Yep, total tinfoil hattery to doubt The Holy (misapplied) Word Of CCP. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Capt Fossil Gallente	Posted - 2010.02.28 08:30:00 - [50] Honestly CCP... Quit lying to us. What are you gonna do about the macro miner armies? I now know they exist. I have the proof. Do I join?.....or do I help you get rid of them? and if some noob mod moves this to Out of Pod experience or deletes the "unacceptable" posts it's just a confirmation of everything I am saying. Cmon CCP, lots of positive things you do keep me playing. Ignoring macro miners is NOT one of them.
Zedic Amarr Universalis Imperium	Posted - 2010.02.28 08:38:00 - [51] Post the proofs already.
Kyra Felann Gallente	Posted - 2010.02.28 08:58:00 - [52] Edited by: Kyra Felann on 28/02/2010 08:59:18 Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Kyra Felann Wow, this is quickly turning into tinfoil hat central. I see. It's tinfoil hatty of me to say that perhaps everyone running around screaming about how 40% of the minerals in Eve come from missions might have slightly different data than they thought they had. Especially when there aren't really any other answers that explain the discrepancy. RRriiiiiigggghhhhtttt. That wasn't only applied to you. I wasn't screaming anything of the sort. I merelly expressed skepticism of the OP's claim. That is all. I then got accused of being a macro miner and various other things. That's why I said this is tinfoil hat central. It reeks of people thinking they've oncovered some vast conspiracy and having little or nothing to back it up (much like most conspiracy theorists) and then attacking anyone who disagrees or expresses skepticism as someone who's "in" on the whole thing. I'm sure there are tons of macro miners and that's obviously a bad thing. I'm sure there are also a lot of macro mission runners. There are also a lot of non-macro mission runners. I think the majority of minerals should come from legit miners and I'm pretty sure that most of it does not. I think most of us can agree that that is a problem wherever you may think it does come from and whether or not you think there's some vast CCP conspiracy to cover it up.
tla s'hpyt	Posted - 2010.02.28 09:45:00 - [53] I am not the macro king Ignore any rumours about my macro army and related pyramid scam. These are not macro's they are teams of diligent workers mining for their freedo.... I mean enjoyment. Those where'nt packs of 50 mil tritanium it was only 5 mil and op failed to read. seriously though stop trolling or at least have a small idea what your talking about before posting.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.02.28 09:55:00 - [54] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton I don't think anyone ever claimed that the majority of minerals came from mission runners. Yeah, there's a claim that 40% of minerals come from reprocessed modules. This notably also (provably) included transport modules. We know this because he specifically called called out all the places you can get morphite in missions and then it was also in the reprocessed modules section. The numbers were probably viable then, but the recent application of them towards claiming that mission runners make all the minerals is totally (and provably) false. -Liang and 40% is what military experts are calling a Not majority! I made sure to bookmark that post: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=989786&page=2#46 but that how much of that was 800mm autocannons (and other various items) used for mineral compression is a great question
Oddymandius Minmatar	Posted - 2010.02.28 10:47:00 - [55] Originally by: Capt Fossil what's the approved macro? Cause I would love to earn 200M isk while I sleep instead of this stupid blow up the BS crap I am doing to feed the macro miners! lrn2trade
Arushia Nova Labs Labores Solis Insidiae	Posted - 2010.02.28 10:50:00 - [56] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton I don't think anyone ever claimed that the majority of minerals came from mission runners. Yeah, there's a claim that 40% of minerals come from reprocessed modules. This notably also (provably) included transport modules. We know this because he specifically called called out all the places you can get morphite in missions and then it was also in the reprocessed modules section. The numbers were probably viable then, but the recent application of them towards claiming that mission runners make all the minerals is totally (and provably) false. -Liang and 40% is what military experts are calling a Not majority! I made sure to bookmark that post: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=989786&page=2#46 but that how much of that was 800mm autocannons (and other various items) used for mineral compression is a great question In any case, those stats predate Apocyrpha, and therefore do not reflect W-space mining and its impact on the mineral market. I'd be interested in seeing more modern figures and if W-space mining has had any major effect on these ratios. New Eden Research, where your research gets eaten by a Goon!
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.28 10:58:00 - [57] Originally by: Capt Fossil Prove me wrong. I can supply the data. No human group is brain dead enough to mine 50 M Trit in 24 hours. We don't have to prove you wrong. You are wrong by default. From that position, you then need to prove yourself right. Now get going. Until then… Originally by: Kyra Felann Because anecdotal evidence from one person in one region is so much better than actual statistics compiled by CCP from the servers. …this. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Punic Corp.	Posted - 2010.02.28 11:20:00 - [58] Edited by: Reem Fairchild on 28/02/2010 11:24:33 Originally by: Capt Fossil Originally by: bff Jill Obviously everyone attacking the OP has a macro fleet or is a macro miner sympathizer. Thanks I needed that. I came here just to enighten the average eve player to what is REALLY going on. All the naysayers have alterior motives. NO DOUBT about it. You do NOT know, and you cannot possibly know, what is going on in Eve in general just from the experiences you mentioned in the first post - even if you were right in your interpretation of them (which even that is not 100% certain). Edit: You're like someone who looks at a square cm of a large painting, sees some yellow, and decides that the entire painting must be all yellow. ----- 'In Eve, as in real life, if you are bored it's your own fault.'
Vitamin B12 Tyrell Megacorporation	Posted - 2010.02.28 11:20:00 - [59] these are not the macro miners you are looking for...
Paknac Queltel Standards and Practices	Posted - 2010.02.28 11:47:00 - [60] Originally by: Capt Fossil Originally by: Batolemaeus So basically, you're accusing CCP Chronotis of lying when he published the stats one year ago? No, I am saying that TODAY (and for the last 2 months) in my region it's more like 60%+ produced by Macro miners. Dude..... try mining and refining 50M trit. Call me when you are done. It must take 20 accounts all day to get what they are selling me. 50M trit should take 4 hulks about 6-7 hours, if I recall correctly. Have you tried tracking these players down and seeing how they play? Of couse, if they're macro's, you should report them. The 40% number is for reprocessed materials as a whole. As such, it probably includes items already built from mined materials. Therefore, we can only assume it included materials built for their mineral compression value. It's a bogus number.

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