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Segita	Posted - 2010.02.28 18:45:00 - [1] Hello, can be the Hawk fitted for competitive PvP? If so, i would be glad for any tips.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2010.02.28 18:46:00 - [2] No. -----------
De Guantanamo	Posted - 2010.02.28 18:59:00 - [3] inb4 fail fits
Segita	Posted - 2010.02.28 19:05:00 - [4] Oh well, thank you. So for Caldari assault ship, only Harpy is the good PvP choice?
Terianna Eri Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2010.02.28 19:21:00 - [5] Originally by: Segita Oh well, thank you. So for Caldari assault ship, only Harpy is the good PvP choice? Yes. (But it's a pretty good choice) ________________ Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
Proxyyyy Caldari The Tuskers	Posted - 2010.02.28 20:37:00 - [6] I recently decided to go with a basically t2 Merlin fit. This fit should enable you to leave most engagments with other af's accept the jaguar. You will have the ability to dictate range But its very cap reliant! I did try a fleet only SML kiting fit but generaly in solo sits most t1 frigs with a mwd can blow you up! For kiting and using sml's i think the kestrel and crow own that spot! Both being able to go over 3000m/sec without overheating... Seems the hawk is suppose to be a tanky rocket/hybrid platform, But i have increased its abiltiy to decide what range the engagement takes place... Im not sure if rails would be a better option for this ship or blasters but ill try out both fits in the real sh!t... [Hawk, Hawk] Damage Control II Overdrive Injector System II Small Shield Booster II 1MN Afterburner II Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2010.02.28 20:49:00 - [7] Hawk is trash atm and if rockets get boost, it will still be worthless ship /hookbill/.
Segita	Posted - 2010.02.28 21:26:00 - [8] But what exactly makes Hawk so bad compared with Harpy?
Narfas Deteis	Posted - 2010.02.28 21:34:00 - [9] Originally by: Segita But what exactly makes Hawk so bad compared with Harpy? Missiles. Lights suck, rockets suck even more.
Segita	Posted - 2010.02.28 21:37:00 - [10] I see, thank you. So generally, smaller ships are better to PvP with guns? Or just in Assalut ships case?

Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2010.02.28 21:45:00 - [11] Originally by: Segita I see, thank you. So generally, smaller ships are better to PvP with guns? Or just in Assalut ships case? Rockets are broken and do laughable damage compared to guns. Light missiles do very little damage, but the range might offset that problem if not for the fact that the grid/cpu requirements are so high that getting a light missile setup that doesn't suck is pretty much impossible. And just to add insult to injury, the Hawk is stuck with crippled grid/cpu and a worthless active tank bonus. This problem does not exist with bigger ships, because larger missiles are actually balanced properly. -----------
Proxyyyy Caldari The Tuskers	Posted - 2010.03.01 00:31:00 - [12] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 28/02/2010 21:49:44 Originally by: Segita I see, thank you. So generally, smaller ships are better to PvP with guns? Or just in Assalut ships case? Rockets are broken and do laughable damage compared to guns. Light missiles do very little damage, but the range might offset that problem if not for the fact that the grid/cpu requirements are so high that getting a light missile setup that doesn't suck is pretty much impossible. And just to add insult to injury, the Hawk is stuck with crippled grid/cpu and a worthless active tank bonus. This problem does not exist with bigger ships, because larger missiles are actually balanced properly. Originally by: Proxyyyy I recently decided to go with a basically t2 Merlin fit. Err, lol? You have an AB, which automatically makes it a failfit that will die horribly to any opponent who isn't a clueless carebear newbie. You have an active tank, which means you die horribly to anything that does more than 100 dps (IOW, anything larger than a frigate, and most frigates) because you have no buffer. And of course you don't even have a cap booster to keep this active tank running. And then just to make the setup perfect, you add T2 rigs, producing a ship that is now not only a failfit, but an expensive failfit. Kool story bro! Ill cont to fail and you can cont. to win = ) Anyways Segita i suggest you just go out there and do it tbh. Its the best way to know, because you'll get frokm these forums is alot of misinformation by those who dont even fly these ships.
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2010.03.01 00:53:00 - [13] Yes, its complete disinformation that hawk sucks and is trash compared to ishkur, jag, harpy, etc.
Proxyyyy Caldari The Tuskers	Posted - 2010.03.01 01:20:00 - [14] Seen as how i never compared the preformance of the hawk with any of the other af's. This becomes a random disscussion. I for one enjoy the challenge of flying the ship and will cont to atempt to find the most versitile fit that will enable me to either win a engagement or effectively disengage from one. Im not gunna rely on boost or nerf's by ccp. Im just working with what i got and the drive to fly a ship i actually enjoy flying. The fact that i was finaly talked into flying a active tanked versions by bro's who are good hawk pilots to begin with! Who have had much success against "standard fitted" assault frigs in theyre fail boats (not to mention my own the few times i used it) drives me to put up major stats with this ship... Im not flying it or wanting to fly it its the best, but because i like the ship... Notice that the Op asked if "can be the Hawk fitted for competitive PvP". I then posted a fit and my experience with the hawk in solo/gang pvp...
Kingwood Amarr Black Fax Attack	Posted - 2010.03.01 05:31:00 - [15] Originally by: Proxyyyy Seen as how i never compared the preformance of the hawk with any of the other af's. This becomes a random disscussion. I for one enjoy the challenge of flying the ship and will cont to atempt to find the most versitile fit that will enable me to either win a engagement or effectively disengage from one. Im not gunna rely on boost or nerf's by ccp. Im just working with what i got and the drive to fly a ship i actually enjoy flying. The fact that i was finaly talked into flying a active tanked versions by bro's who are good hawk pilots to begin with! Who have had much success against "standard fitted" assault frigs in theyre fail boats (not to mention my own the few times i used it) drives me to put up major stats with this ship... Im not flying it or wanting to fly it its the best, but because i like the ship... Notice that the Op asked if "can be the Hawk fitted for competitive PvP". I then posted a fit and my experience with the hawk in solo/gang pvp... With the sizes you roll in your frig gangs it doesn't matter how crap the Hawk is. A Merlin would perform just as well. Please show me a KM of a 1 vs 1 fight of your Hawk against anything else than a lolfit nub. I still don't understand why People fly AFs, they're utter ****e. The only Frig worth flying is the Dramiel.
Ambo I've Got Nothing	Posted - 2010.03.01 12:42:00 - [16] Hawk can be a nice little run-around and punch well above it's weight. You have to play to it's strengths though and be mindfull of the weaknesses. Rocket Launcher II x 4 Small NOS II Gistii B-type small shield booster (yes, it's deadspace but only 30-40 mil, not exactly massive extravagance) 1MN Afterburner II J5B Scram X5 Web BCS II DC II Small Anti-em rig (II) x 2 (Using the T2 versions adds another 30 mil or so to the cost for a modest gain in em resits.) When I'm flying it, I use a crystal set and standard blue pill as well. Not exactly cheap but the crystals carry over to other shield tank setups and it's fun, which is the main thing. Your strength is a perma-tank (assuming you get the NOS on) that will not break to any (T1 or T2) frigate or destroyer (T1 only - stay away from Sabres ). A single small neut is annoying but not enough to swing the fight their way, stay away from sentinals and cruors though, without your tank, your DPS is not enough against most targets. Your primary weakness is your speed. Because of this, you generally only want to be engaging on stations or at gates. If they are orbiting with MWD beyond scram range and you can't break the orbit then don't engage. You can take on most cruisers as well, just make sure you kill the drones first and watch for neuts. The BEST thing about the hawk is that everyone thinks it's crap. Consequently, everyone will engage you. Sure, you could pimp an ishkur in a similar way but most people run away from ishkurs. Not many run away from a hawk. --------------------------------------
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2010.03.01 13:08:00 - [17] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 01/03/2010 13:09:33 Originally by: Ambo 1MN Afterburner II Failfit. Quote: Your strength is a perma-tank (assuming you get the NOS on) that will not break to any (T1 or T2) frigate or destroyer (T1 only - stay away from Sabres ). A single small neut is annoying but not enough to swing the fight their way, stay away from sentinals and cruors though, without your tank, your DPS is not enough against most targets. So pretty much your only strategy is to tank, and hope your target runs out of ammo and pays a ransom? Because you sure as hell aren't going to be killing anything with that ship. And no, your amazing tank will not survive "any T1 or T2 frigate", several different faction/T2 frigates can break it. Maybe not with crystal implants, but that just means that expensive implants are awesome, not that the Hawk is a good ship. Quote: Your primary weakness is your speed. Understatement of the century... Quote: You can take on most cruisers as well, just make sure you kill the drones first and watch for neuts. Really? Let's see: Caracal: kills you effortlessly. Thorax: launches ECM drones, kites you and drops transversal to zero, ganks you easily. Vexor: neuts + bonused Warrior IIs = dead failfit Hawk. Rupture: neuts + Warrior IIs + high-tracking ACs + superior speed = dead failfit Hawk. Stabber: you might be able to tank it, but you can't catch it. Omen: 24km pulses + superior speed = dead failfit Hawk So that leaves what, buffer-tanked Mallers and Moas (you can't break an active tank)? The two cruisers that are so awful that no sane person will ever fly them? Under what definition of "most" is that most cruisers? Oh yeah, you also kill Ospreys. If you find an Osprey in your Hawk, that ** is going down. Quote:** The BEST thing about the hawk is that everyone thinks it's crap. Consequently, everyone will engage you. Sure, you could pimp an ishkur in a similar way but most people run away from ishkurs. Not many run away from a hawk. That's because it IS crap. People are willing to engage a Hawk because it's incredibly easy to kill one, especially when it uses an AB failfit. -----------
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2010.03.01 13:46:00 - [18] Originally by: Merin Ryskin So that leaves what, buffer-tanked Mallers ... Wat? Most mallers fit small guns and med neut so... As for ambos hawk - everything with neut will kill you easy.
FlameGlow Rebellion Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.01 14:00:00 - [19] Edited by: FlameGlow on 01/03/2010 14:05:32 lol, Hawk, it's worse than kestrel Get a Harpy instead or better yet Jaguar/Wolf Furthermore, you're already reading my sig
Ambo I've Got Nothing	Posted - 2010.03.01 14:05:00 - [20] Originally by: Merin Ryskin So pretty much your only strategy is to tank, and hope your target runs out of ammo and pays a ransom? Because you sure as hell aren't going to be killing anything with that ship. Don't be ridiculous, it does plenty enough DPS to kill any buffer fit frig or cruiser hull. (though a maller does take AGES) Originally by: Merin Ryskin And no, your amazing tank will not survive "any T1 or T2 frigate", several different faction/T2 frigates can break it. Maybe not with crystal implants, but that just means that expensive implants are awesome, not that the Hawk is a good ship. With crystals, nothing in a frigate hull can break it's tank without neuts. Simple as that. No, it does not mean the hawk is good. I'm not saying it's good, I'm saying it is decent if used with the right gear in the right situations. Quote: Caracal: kills you effortlessly. No, it really dosn't. I engaged an omen, crow AND AML caracal jsut a couple of days ago. Popped the crow and jumped through the gate. Could have taken the others but there were other WTs in system and the tank was only just holding. Note - I'm fully aware that a well-skilled pilot with a med neut or two would kick the crap out of this hawk fit. That dosn't mean you can't try your luck though. Quote: Thorax: launches ECM drones, kites you and drops transversal to zero, ganks you easily. Will be unable to do enough damage. Will be unable to get transversal anywhere near zero unless he has two webs. ECM drones? well yes, if they're carrying ECM, they'll probably be able to get away before you kill them. Quote: Vexor: neuts + bonused Warrior IIs = dead failfit Hawk. Would be incredibly careful engaging a vexor. If he's got neuts then no way, if he hasn't then he's probably got at least 2 flights of light drones. Thier DPS is not enough to break you but I still wouldn't recommend it. Quote: Rupture: neuts + Warrior IIs + high-tracking ACs + superior speed = dead failfit Hawk. ACs can't track well enough, not superior speed because he's scrammed and webbed. Take out warriors - dead overconfident ruppie. If he's got neuts then just don't engage. etc... You seem to have missed the bit where I said "If they are orbiting with MWD beyond scram range and you can't break the orbit then don't engage." Yes, it's limiting. That dosn't mean it won't work in some situations. I know full well that if I take this ship into a belt it will probably die horribly because it cannot catch anything with an MWD. Hell, my drake goes faster. The point is, you don't take it into that situation. Like any of the 'weaker' ships in the game, you need to play to it's strengths. --------------------------------------

Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2010.03.01 14:16:00 - [21] Your last drake i saw on killboard definitely wasnt faster than this hawk. Ok, enough fun. Only positive think about hawk is that ppl underestimate it. You can use this as your advantage. But generally you will do better with other ship /ishkur, jag, harpy... or dram/. And about hawk /any af/ killing properly fit pvp cruiser - .
Grimpak Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.03.01 14:16:00 - [22] Originally by: Ambo Quote: Rupture: neuts + Warrior IIs + high-tracking ACs + superior speed = dead failfit Hawk. ACs can't track well enough ohai, this is my friend depleted uranium and he has 20% tracking bonus. also many AC boats bring their friend tracking enhancer II, which also has tracking bonus. FYI, the depleted uranium/Tsabbot tracking bonus does not stack btw --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2010.03.01 14:16:00 - [23] Edited by: Gypsio III on 01/03/2010 14:21:23 Originally by: Ambo I know full well that if I take this ship into a belt it will probably die horribly because it cannot catch anything with an MWD. So you have a ship that, even with Crystals and Blue Pill, is only good for gatecamping? Wow. BTW, you couldn't tank my AML Caracal.
Ambo I've Got Nothing	Posted - 2010.03.01 14:26:00 - [24] shrug Nothing else to say really. Give it a go if you feel like it, or not if you don't. --------------------------------------
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2010.03.01 14:32:00 - [25] Originally by: Ambo Don't be ridiculous, it does plenty enough DPS to kill any buffer fit frig or cruiser hull. (though a maller does take AGES) You have barely 100 dps with that failfit. Yes, you will kill buffer tanks simply because pure buffer tanks can't regenerate HP, but you won't do it fast enough, nor will you have any chance of breaking any tank with active HP regen. Quote: Quote: Caracal: kills you effortlessly. No, it really dosn't. I engaged an omen, crow AND AML caracal jsut a couple of days ago. Popped the crow and jumped through the gate. Could have taken the others but there were other WTs in system and the tank was only just holding. Translation: "I have billions of ISK in implants, isn't my tank awesome?" Any normal Hawk (IOW, one that doesn't include billions of ISK worth of implants) will die horribly to an AML Caracal. Quote: Quote: Thorax: launches ECM drones, kites you and drops transversal to zero, ganks you easily. Will be unable to do enough damage. Will be unable to get transversal anywhere near zero unless he has two webs. ECM drones? well yes, if they're carrying ECM, they'll probably be able to get away before you kill them. Do you understand what ECM does to AB failfits? As soon as you get jammed, your scram and web shut off. As soon as your scram and web shut off, you are no longer able to keep transversal up, the Thorax kites you and drops transversal to zero, and you explode. Quote: Would be incredibly careful engaging a vexor. If he's got neuts then no way, if he hasn't then he's probably got at least 2 flights of light drones. Thier DPS is not enough to break you but I still wouldn't recommend it. Vexor without neuts = failfit Vexor. So I suppose your failfit can kill other failfits, but that really isn't saying much... Quote: Quote: Rupture: neuts + Warrior IIs + high-tracking ACs + superior speed = dead failfit Hawk. ACs can't track well enough, not superior speed because he's scrammed and webbed. Take out warriors - dead overconfident ruppie. If he's got neuts then just don't engage. And how exactly do you check for neuts before engaging? PS: to scram and web you have to get into scram and web range. The Rupture will not let you do this. Quote: You seem to have missed the bit where I said "If they are orbiting with MWD beyond scram range and you can't break the orbit then don't engage." Yes, it's limiting. That dosn't mean it won't work in some situations. So let me get this straight: your failfit can not engage targets in belts, in safespots, in plexes/missions, or at gates. Unless you are camping the undock point of a kick-out station, you will not be starting at 0km, and that means you die. Quote: I know full well that if I take this ship into a belt it will probably die horribly because it cannot catch anything with an MWD. Hell, my drake goes faster. The point is, you don't take it into that situation. Like any of the 'weaker' ships in the game, you need to play to it's strengths. Why exactly would anyone want to fly your failfit Hawk when they can fly one of the many other ships that isn't restricted to such limited circumstances? Instead of flying the weaker ship, why not, I don't know, *fly a ship that doesn't suck?* -----------
Proxyyyy Caldari The Tuskers	Posted - 2010.03.01 15:03:00 - [26] Originally by: Kingwood Originally by: Proxyyyy Seen as how i never compared the preformance of the hawk with any of the other af's. This becomes a random disscussion. I for one enjoy the challenge of flying the ship and will cont to atempt to find the most versitile fit that will enable me to either win a engagement or effectively disengage from one. Im not gunna rely on boost or nerf's by ccp. Im just working with what i got and the drive to fly a ship i actually enjoy flying. The fact that i was finaly talked into flying a active tanked versions by bro's who are good hawk pilots to begin with! Who have had much success against "standard fitted" assault frigs in theyre fail boats (not to mention my own the few times i used it) drives me to put up major stats with this ship... Im not flying it or wanting to fly it its the best, but because i like the ship... Notice that the Op asked if "can be the Hawk fitted for competitive PvP". I then posted a fit and my experience with the hawk in solo/gang pvp... With the sizes you roll in your frig gangs it doesn't matter how crap the Hawk is. A Merlin would perform just as well. Please show me a KM of a 1 vs 1 fight of your Hawk against anything else than a lolfit nub. I still don't understand why People fly AFs, they're utter ****e. The only Frig worth flying is the Dramiel. HA HA HA! kingwood = / Ill do you better! Contact me in game or just head over to hevrice, you can either watch the fraps of me doing it or just get pwned in your ecm dramiel. No need for lame duels, if i see you in local or in that area ill find you = / As for a mail? Ill amuse you with one http://tuskers.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=4939269 because it was a somewhat close fight.
Ophelia Ursus	Posted - 2010.03.01 15:04:00 - [27] I theorycrafted this, but can't really think of any great reason to fly it. [Hawk, maybe...] Pseudoelectron Containment Field I Overdrive Injector System II Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II Small Shield Extender II Faint Warp Disruptor I Standard Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile Standard Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile [empty high slot] Standard Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile Standard Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile Small Bay Loading Accelerator I Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I You can fit a 24km point if you drop to meta 4 em resist mod and shield extender. 7k EHP, but you're theoretically range-tanking, so a modest buffer shouldn't be a huge problem. 103 dps with max skills and heat is rather underwhelming, though, as is a speed of 2.5 km/s. Then again, you could just fly a Crow and get similar dps with twice the speed and a third of the sig radius.
Kirzath Genos Occidere	Posted - 2010.03.01 15:58:00 - [28] I really love Hawks
Grimpak Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.03.01 17:06:00 - [29] Edited by: Grimpak on 01/03/2010 17:08:53 Originally by: Proxyyyy HA HA HA! kingwood = / Ill do you better! Contact me in game or just head over to hevrice, you can either watch the fraps of me doing it or just get pwned in your ecm dramiel. No need for lame duels, if i see you in local or in that area ill find you = / As for a mail? Ill amuse you with one http://tuskers.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=4939269 because it was a somewhat close fight. Funny thing Ambo! I also have used a combat booster while piloting some of my frigs. ZEE EXILED 200mm/SAR claw \0/ and wolf. It realy makes a diffrence... that jag mistake was sacrificing rigslots for fitting rigs. tbh that's why you fit F-S9 shield extenders instead of T2. if he had rigslots empty he could slam a shield extender and a kin resist rig there and it would't be a close defeat anymore. but that's theory-crafting. as for the exiled 200mm SAR wolf... I prefer passive tank with 1 TE and 2 falloff rigs --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Ophelia Ursus	Posted - 2010.03.01 17:33:00 - [30] Originally by: Grimpak that jag mistake was sacrificing rigslots for fitting rigs. tbh that's why you fit 150mm autocannons rather than 200s. if he had rigslots empty he could slam an explosive and a kin resist rig there and it would't be a close defeat anymore. T, FT.... you know the drill (seriously, 200s without a tracking bonus are not good. also, i heard that people like warrior IIs)

Ambo I've Got Nothing	Posted - 2010.03.01 17:56:00 - [31] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Why exactly would anyone want to fly your failfit Hawk when they can fly one of the many other ships that isn't restricted to such limited circumstances? Instead of flying the weaker ship, why not, I don't know, *fly a ship that doesn't suck?* Because flying the 'best' FOTM cookie cutter fits over and over is dull? If you're interested in isk efficiency, K/D ratios and easy victories then yes, the hawk is probably not for you. If on the other hand you are willing to play to your ship's strengths, you enjoy fights against the odds and owning people who expect to kill you easily then the hawk is great. It's a game, try having fun once in a while. --------------------------------------
Terianna Eri Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2010.03.01 17:59:00 - [32] Originally by: Ambo Originally by: Merin Ryskin Why exactly would anyone want to fly your failfit Hawk when they can fly one of the many other ships that isn't restricted to such limited circumstances? Instead of flying the weaker ship, why not, I don't know, *fly a ship that doesn't suck?* Because flying the 'best' FOTM cookie cutter fits over and over is dull? If you're interested in isk efficiency, K/D ratios and easy victories then yes, the hawk is probably not for you. If on the other hand you are willing to play to your ship's strengths, you enjoy fights against the odds and owning people who expect to kill you easily then the hawk is great. It's a game, try having fun once in a while. Unconventional and innovative tactics and ship fitting is one thing. Using one of the worst ships in the game to do them is quite another. (P.S. theres nothing fun about bringing a bad ship) ________________ Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2010.03.01 18:17:00 - [33] Originally by: Kirzath ... Nice collection of failfit hawks. Originally by: Proxyyyy http://tuskers.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=4939269 Not very impressive jag fit tbh, but i think its more likely that pilots skill on both sides made that killmail /as always/. Proxy had a plan how to kill it /keep range as long as possible id say - if it wasnt that blasterhawk heh/. Other pilot probably didnt use his speed advantage/selectable dps/neuting/overheat from the start /or he was trying to orbit as fast as possible to mitigate rocket dps and killed outtracked his own guns/ and thats why he lost. Or there were some other things involved /implants, heat from previous fights, whatever/, but id always bet on the jag in the hands of competent pilot /even fit posted should have killed that hawk.../.
Kirzath Genos Occidere	Posted - 2010.03.01 18:28:00 - [34] Originally by: Lugalzagezi666 Originally by: Kirzath ... Nice collection of failfit hawks. I'm sorry, but what? Those are all fine Hawk fits. You clearly have no clue what you're talking about. A Hawk is one of the rare frigates with 4 midslots and they're being put to their full use in all of those fits. The only fail involved in any of those killmails was their pilots, not the ship fits.
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2010.03.01 18:38:00 - [35] Originally by: Kirzath I'm sorry, but what? Those are all fine Hawk fits. You cant think that seriously... fit 1 - smls, mwd and !scram + nanos! fit 2 - lol cap recharger fit 3 - lol cap recharger, cfc and ccc fit 4 - smls and !ab + scram! and lol sensor booster
Kirzath Genos Occidere	Posted - 2010.03.01 18:41:00 - [36] Cap rechargers are underrated on PVP fits. If you have the midslot to spare, the cap stability without having to rely on boosters is invaluable. There's nothing wrong with SMLs and Sensor Boosters, even battleships use Sensor Boosters.
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2010.03.01 18:58:00 - [37] Originally by: Kirzath I'm sorry, but what? Those are all fine Hawk fits. You clearly have no clue what you're talking about. A Hawk is one of the rare frigates with 4 midslots and they're being put to their full use in all of those fits. The only fail involved in any of those killmails was their pilots, not the ship fits. You're in Genos and you think those are good Hawk fits? WTF? The first is just stupid. It's a wannabe Crow with SMLs, MWD and a painter for kiting, but with a web and scrambler for fighting at close range, and no tank. T1 ammo, too, oh dear. It's insane. The second? Better, but cap recharger? Come on... No web on a rocket platform? Oh dear. The third is also stupid. It's a SML fit unable to kite because of the afterburner, and unable to tackle at the kiting range that it can't maintain because it has a scrambler (but no web!). He's using T1 ammo, and the wrong T1 ammo at that. Absolute lolfit, just mods thrown on to a ship. And the fourth is stupid too. A kiting SML fit that also can't kite because it doesn't have a MWD. The choice of SMLs with close-range tackle is nonsense. The sensor booster is stupid. All four are terrible fits, so stupid - and so obvious in their stupidity - that I'm just shaking my head here.
Grimpak Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.03.01 19:02:00 - [38] Originally by: Ophelia Ursus Originally by: Grimpak that jag mistake was sacrificing rigslots for fitting rigs. tbh that's why you fit 150mm autocannons rather than 200s. if he had rigslots empty he could slam an explosive and a kin resist rig there and it would't be a close defeat anymore. T, FT.... you know the drill (seriously, 200s without a tracking bonus are not good. also, i heard that people like warrior IIs) ok that works too --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Shadowy Assistant	Posted - 2010.03.01 19:33:00 - [39] Originally by: Gypsio III Originally by: Kirzath stuff You're in Genos That should have been your first hint


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