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dibblebill
Beyond Our Sins
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Posted - 2010.03.03 19:30:00 -
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You speak of blindness, yet refuse to consider things from my perspective. But let us leave out, for the moment, birthrights and freedoms, for the sake of debate. Let us take, for example, a situation almost anywhere else in the universe.
A man walks up to another man and says, "Are you saved?"
"No."
The first man cuffs the second and drags him away. "You need God. Its for your own good." The man will likely resent you, and never "repent". What good does that do? None.
Case two:
A man walks up to another man and says, "Are you saved?"
"No."
The man offers him a book and says, "Here is the way. Read it. If you are interested, contact me." Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't.
Tell me what is so wrong with approach 2?
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Millie Clode
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2010.03.03 20:02:00 -
[32]
 Originally by: Anabella Rella
Originally by: Aurelius Clemens
I would gladly give everything I have to bring God's Salvation to the Minmatar people, if only they would accept it.
I would gladly launch a tri-cobalt thermonuclear device into Amarr Prime incinerating the atmosphere and releasing billions of souls from the tyranny of Jamyl and the Theology Council if only the Amarr would accept it. Seems pretty much the same thing to me.
Oh, and Karoun, you sick bastard, if I see you in space I'll gladly free you from the shackles of your current body at no charge.
Expressed desire to commit genocide followed by accusations of sickness? Neatly hypocritical attitude there
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Merdaneth
Amarr
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.03.03 20:17:00 -
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Karoun, God will judge you for your actions. Deferring your choice to others is a choice too.
You seem to be interested in using these people to play some kind of game. A game I refuse to play.
The options you offer are legally sound, if they are morally sound is for you to decide.
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The Illusion of Freedom | The Truth about Slavery |
Andreus LeHane
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.03.03 20:18:00 -
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Are Amarrians born devoid of the part of their brain that allows them to comprehend sarcasm?
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Arimeth
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2010.03.03 20:30:00 -
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Salvation runs through generations. A man may not accept His teachings and turn to hate and corruption of soul but his children or children of theirs will accept God into their hearts and walk the path of light to save their souls and of those before them.
It is interesting to read some of replies of the so called "freedom fighters" here as you seem to care about your ego more than of the fate of these people.
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Aurelius Clemens
Amarr
Nordir Imperial Holdings
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Posted - 2010.03.03 20:46:00 -
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I have already offered to match any offer made by the Minmatar to acquire the livestock. Mr. Karoun, if you view this from a purely business viewpoint, you will take my offer and allow their souls to be reclaimed as God intended. Otherwise, you're playing games with us. My pleas for allowing continued spiritual welfare of your captured livestock stand, but I'm done begging. Make your decision in conscious knowledge that we all are judged with perfect justice by the Lord our God.
Blessed be.
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Aurelius Clemens
Amarr
Nordir Imperial Holdings
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Posted - 2010.03.03 21:03:00 -
[37]
Edited by: Aurelius Clemens on 03/03/2010 21:02:59
Originally by: dibblebill
You speak of blindness, yet refuse to consider things from my perspective. But let us leave out, for the moment, birthrights and freedoms, for the sake of debate. Let us take, for example, a situation almost anywhere else in the universe.
A man walks up to another man and says, "Are you saved?"
"No."
The first man cuffs the second and drags him away. "You need God. Its for your own good." The man will likely resent you, and never "repent". What good does that do?
He may never truly accept God, but his children will be raised as faithful disciples of the Lord, and so will their children and the future generations, and through piety of his offspring, his immortal soul shall be redeemed eventually, and his offspring will produce faithful soldiers of God even if that were not the case. You must consider the long-term benefits instead of simply baulking at the short-term inconveniences. And in Amarr, a single generation is considered short term. A race as stubborn as the Minmatar required caring long-term affection and dedication to be fully reclaimed, and I am fully committed to serving God in this cause.
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Case two:
A man walks up to another man and says, "Are you saved?"
"No."
The man offers him a book and says, "Here is the way. Read it. If you are interested, contact me." Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't.
Tell me what is so wrong with approach 2?
It assumes a heretic will willingly abandon a life of decadence and sin.
I'm not saying every slave will be reclaimed in the first generation. That is rarely the case. That is why her Majesty, the Empress has authorised all slaves to be held for ten generations. From my experience, three to four generations is all it takes to reclaim even the worst terrorists and murderers (this includes the self-proclaimed "freedom fighters"), but I do not doubt an edict directly from the throne itself.
Blessed be.
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Gemma Naquist
Kuomi Logistics
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Posted - 2010.03.03 21:03:00 -
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As my partner previously indicated, we will pay for the slaves and see to their needs.
No ideological arguments. No holier-than-though attitudes. Slavery is legal in our system because our system is part of the Empire. As such, the sale of these people to us would be entirely legal and the seller would be protected by the Empire and Concord while here. We can then see to the needs of these people, and work on whatever repatriation or employment and housing needs they have.
ShouldnÆt that be the priority? The people?
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Magnus Nordir
Caldari
Nordir Industries
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Posted - 2010.03.03 21:10:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Aurelius Clemens
I have already offered to match any offer made by the Minmatar to acquire the livestock.
This expense has not been authorised by Nordir industries. No livestock is to be purchased above market price. No provisions for said livestock other than the bare necessities to enable regular labour are to be provided.
Mr. Kaurun, I seriously don't understand all this drama over some livestock. I understand trying to fetch a high price, but I can't see anyone offering anything, seeing as how there's plenty of the same product already available on the Amarr market. Although marketing to the "freedom fighters" may seem profitable in the short term, trust me, they'll eventually turn against you and try rob you of your property. I would advice you to stick to the regular slave market and try to make a profit by leasing your livestock to labour facilities instead. The turnover rate is high, but from my observations, a steady profit stream is attainable if you have a steady source of fresh livestock.
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Karoun
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Posted - 2010.03.03 22:22:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Merdaneth
You seem to be interested in using these people to play some kind of game. A game I refuse to play.
No, I simply wish to have them out my hanger ASAP, while having people offer me different solutions to this problem while increasing the amount of ISK in my wallet at the same time.
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Revea Nedeafa
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Posted - 2010.03.03 22:38:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Neu Bastian
10 million ISK.on your head that is
I already tried to place 5 mil but apparently that swine is hiding behind CONCORD laws, so how would we take him down?
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Merdaneth
Amarr
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.03.03 23:16:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Karoun
Originally by: Merdaneth
You seem to be interested in using these people to play some kind of game. A game I refuse to play.
No, I simply wish to have them out my hanger ASAP, while having people offer me different solutions to this problem while increasing the amount of ISK in my wallet at the same time.
Then you need to be on the Market Discussions forum, not on the IGS. The IGS is not for peddling wares.
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The Illusion of Freedom | The Truth about Slavery |
Lord Murkon
Amarr
SPCS
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Posted - 2010.03.04 01:31:00 -
[43]
The SPCS would be happy to take charge of these souls and ensure they live a life where all food, housing and medical care is provided for them. Likewise they may in the future have the opportunity to reach enlightenment and earn freedom the correct way.
Lord Murkon
SPCS - Serving the pathetic Minmatar and lessor races by the grace of God
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dibblebill
Beyond Our Sins
Redneck Rage
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Posted - 2010.03.04 02:17:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Aurelius Clemens
He may never truly accept God, but his children will be raised as faithful disciples of the Lord, and so will their children and the future generations, and through piety of his offspring, his immortal soul shall be redeemed eventually, and his offspring will produce faithful soldiers of God even if that were not the case. You must consider the long-term benefits instead of simply baulking at the short-term inconveniences. And in Amarr, a single generation is considered short term. A race as stubborn as the Minmatar required caring long-term affection and dedication to be fully reclaimed, and I am fully committed to serving God in this cause.
It assumes a heretic will willingly abandon a life of decadence and sin.
I'm not saying every slave will be reclaimed in the first generation. That is rarely the case. That is why her Majesty, the Empress has authorised all slaves to be held for ten generations. From my experience, three to four generations is all it takes to reclaim even the worst terrorists and murderers (this includes the self-proclaimed "freedom fighters"), but I do not doubt an edict directly from the throne itself.
You assume that the slaves won't teach their children about what freedom was, or your control won't breed resentment in the first place. And again, forcing somebody's free will does not make them sincere. If I held you at gunpoint and made you free your slaves, you wouldn't believe in it. If I did it to your children, they still wouldn't believe in my beliefs, neccessarily. Even if it worked, its a confined audience (let's ignore the morality of slavery for this argument).
In the second case, though, there's the opportunity for this person to happily move on, spreading your message to the stars. Certainly, its not guaranteed, but if he does, he might get another person, and another, and another, creating a chain whose end you cannot calculate.
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Sako Yatori
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Posted - 2010.03.04 04:16:00 -
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Karoun, I'll give you a third option which I think you will find lucrative. You trade these slaves to me at the station they are currently at, or contract them to me, it doesn't matter, and I'll give you 20 million isk. Even if they are all elite slaves, that is over three times the price you will get from some Amarrian slave trader. We in the Khanid Kingdom are much better than that. And, since you care about these slaves somewhat, I promise you that they'll stay alive and healthy. So, are you impressed?
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Neu Bastian
Minmatar
Valklear Guard
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Posted - 2010.03.04 16:40:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Revea Nedeafa
Originally by: Neu Bastian
10 million ISK.on your head that is
I already tried to place 5 mil but apparently that swine is hiding behind CONCORD laws, so how would we take him down?
The elders sieged CONCORD's Headquarters. You're worried about a few that might show up if you pop him in high sec?
Neu
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Neu Bastian
Valklear Guard - CEO
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Anabella Rella
Minmatar
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.03.06 06:54:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Millie Clode
Expressed desire to commit genocide followed by accusations of sickness? Neatly hypocritical attitude there
I was expressing no such desire pilot, merely drawing a slightly sarcastic parallel between that sentiment the Amarrian "offer" to save the universe whether the universe desires salvation or not.
While we're on the subject of genocide however, let's pause for a moment to recall whose ships appeared in the Pator system on the Day of Darkness and began to systematically enslave billions and destroy the Matari culture and whose ships laid waste to Starkman Prime. |
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