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Sameron	Posted - 2010.03.07 15:50:00 - [1] After a bit of experimentation I have got a pretty good handle on this.I'm sure you have noticed as you roam through drone regions that each system has a load of wrecks in the belts and one or two russians that magically instantly warp to a pos the instant you enter local. Well guess what, they are bots. So here is what you do. Step 1:Scan out his POS using directional, prefferably in a ship with covops cloak. Step 2:Position yourself directly between the bot's warpin (usualy the corporate hangar) and the belts in system. Step 3:Anchor a mobile warp disruption bubble between the bot and the belts. If the pos has turrets just do this 350km away from them. Step 4: have your gang move out of the bubble and log off, the bot doesn't begin his timer until everyone leaves local. Step 5: Each bot has a different timer from 5 to 30 minutes, so wait a bit and then all login at the same time and there you go, the bot will be slow boating through your bubble. I recommend fitting a web. The coolest part is that the bot doesn't know how to escape in his pod. Anyways, please try this out and reply to this post with any resulting killmails. Here are a few examples of what to look forward to..... Golem Zealot
N'omad	Posted - 2010.03.07 15:54:00 - [2] I hereby acknowledge you as a good poster. i also would recommend this thread to my friends. Cheers for the read.
superteds	Posted - 2010.03.07 15:59:00 - [3] is good post imo
Mr Greh Dead Sun Heavy Mining	Posted - 2010.03.07 16:04:00 - [4] Good read. --- **** of Death
Ran Khanon Amarr Vengeance Innovations	Posted - 2010.03.07 16:08:00 - [5] Edited by: Ran Khanon on 07/03/2010 16:08:19 Very nice. I was sceptical but I guess the amounts of ammo and drone loot give them away. Alternatively you could just put a cloaky alt in system and leave EVE running 23/7 to make that system and their pos useless for botting. Unless those bots are customizable with exception rules for player names in system -> proceed to gank as soon as you become 'allowed'. Support Lana's new bounty system.
AdmiralJohn The Unknown Bar and Pub	Posted - 2010.03.07 16:10:00 - [6] This actually sounds really fun.
Scout Ops Red Federation	Posted - 2010.03.07 16:15:00 - [7] But now the legion of xXbotsXx wont be able to sustain their economy and will vanish
Slimy Worm Vivicide Vivisection.	Posted - 2010.03.07 16:26:00 - [8] Edited by: Slimy Worm on 07/03/2010 16:30:05 For a while I've suspected that SolarCAPSLOCK Fleet is controlled by one person and everyone else is a macro. They are in drone regions, after all. Maybe it's that professor who convinces himself that drones are his friends from that mission.
Sig Sour	Posted - 2010.03.07 17:14:00 - [9] bubbles do not function if they are not within 150k of the place the person is warping to. I don't know if I buy that those are macros. Is there a macro reason to have an energy nute on that golem?
Pirate Radio	Posted - 2010.03.07 17:24:00 - [10] I thought the bubble had to be within 100km of the target warp for it to work?
Alchemist's Alt Gallente Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2010.03.07 17:32:00 - [11] Theres way too much CAOD anal sauce in this thread, out of the whole of 0.0 XiX / Solar arent the only botters :P you are away you are part of NC yeh? Anyway good read, but dont make it sound like drone ***s are the only ones doing this FIRST!!
Sara Sivala	Posted - 2010.03.07 17:45:00 - [12] In Mother Russia, the bots run you.
Klezmer Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.03.07 18:19:00 - [13] WHY YOU WANTING KILLING RUSSIAN ONLY? EVERY TIME IN LOCAL I SEE THE HATE TO RUSSIAN, YOU MAKING ME SICK NO SURPRISING WE DO NOT TALK TO IDIOTS LIKE THIS :)))) ~
Sameron	Posted - 2010.03.07 18:35:00 - [14] I don't hate you for being russian, I hate you for running bots in all drone regions so you can sell the isk or whatever. Running bots is pretty gay and it brings down the game for everyone who doesn't.
Tameris Khan	Posted - 2010.03.07 18:46:00 - [15] OP doesn't understand how bubbles work
Lightningshade Caldari The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2010.03.07 18:53:00 - [16] Originally by: Tameris Khan OP doesn't understand how bubbles work Seems he has a better idea than you do.
Tameris Khan	Posted - 2010.03.07 19:39:00 - [17] Edited by: Tameris Khan on 07/03/2010 19:44:19 Originally by: Lightningshade Seems he has a better idea than you do. Really? So you believe this: Quote: If the pos has turrets just do this 350km away from them. works? Have you ever used a bubble?? Edit to add: Quote: A secondary function of the Mobile Warp Disruptor is its ability to 'drag' ships out of warp and onto the edge of the 'bubble'. If you warp to a point within 100km of a disruption field your ship may be pulled to its edge. The warp disruption field must be placed along your ship's warp vector for this to work. In other words, should you draw a straight line from the location your ship exited warp in the direction which your ship is headed in, and should this line intersect the bubble at any point, then your ship will be pulled to that point on the edge of the warp disruption field. Highlighted the important parts for you.Source
Tagami Wasp Caldari Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.07 19:51:00 - [18] Edited by: Tagami Wasp on 07/03/2010 19:52:04 It affects actually ships on grid. I have tried it with 400 Km gridload bm and bubble just 50 Kms off gate. If you are aligned to the bubble as you come out of warp, you get pulled in. Luckily it was a blue one... ------------ +15% to railguns' dmg modifier -reduce Spike optimal bonus to 70% +10% to Caldari railboats PG
Tameris Khan	Posted - 2010.03.07 20:26:00 - [19] Originally by: Tagami Wasp Edited by: Tagami Wasp on 07/03/2010 19:52:04 It affects actually ships on grid. I have tried it with 400 Km gridload bm and bubble just 50 Kms off gate. If you are aligned to the bubble as you come out of warp, you get pulled in. Luckily it was a blue one... That works because the end point of your warp (the gate) is within 100km of the bubble. No probs there. The OP suggests a bubble 350km from the POS turrets, so the intended victims warp end point is > 100km from the bubble placed safely outside battery activation range. This doesn't work. Go test it. I did.
Lithalnas Amarr Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.07 20:36:00 - [20] maybe you could bubble useing a mothership? Or perhaps bubble the belts. -------------
Ancyra L'Amarr	Posted - 2010.03.07 20:38:00 - [21] Originally by: Klezmer WHY YOU WANTING KILLING RUSSIAN ONLY? EVERY TIME IN LOCAL I SEE THE HATE TO RUSSIAN, YOU MAKING ME SICK NO SURPRISING WE DO NOT TALK TO IDIOTS LIKE THIS :)))) Maybe because of your horrible english, overuse of caps and the ridiculus misuse of smileys?
Boomershoot Caldari Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2010.03.07 20:49:00 - [22] DEATH TO THE COMMIES! Good Post, +1, /signed The parrot vortex signature had to go. No hypnotic graphics in signatures please. Shadow. World Domination With Hypnotic Parrots Status: FOILED!
Ekon Bor Amarr Van Diemen's Demise	Posted - 2010.03.07 22:05:00 - [23] Originally by: Lithalnas maybe you could bubble useing a mothership? Or perhaps bubble the belts. Leaving aside the idea of using a Mom to catch a macrobot (sledgehammer v walnut, anyone?), I would have thought bubbling the target belts would do the job (although never tried bubbling a belt - assume there are no restrictions?) Incidentally - do POS turrets target non-blue bubbles?
Marko Riva Adamant Inc.	Posted - 2010.03.07 23:59:00 - [24] Originally by: Tameris Khan Originally by: Tagami Wasp Edited by: Tagami Wasp on 07/03/2010 19:52:04 It affects actually ships on grid. I have tried it with 400 Km gridload bm and bubble just 50 Kms off gate. If you are aligned to the bubble as you come out of warp, you get pulled in. Luckily it was a blue one... That works because the end point of your warp (the gate) is within 100km of the bubble. No probs there. The OP suggests a bubble 350km from the POS turrets, so the intended victims warp end point is > 100km from the bubble placed safely outside battery activation range. This doesn't work. Go test it. I did. bolded for correctness ----------- I think, therefore I'm single. Want to learn combat/PVP? Alliance creation service
Ivas Tiffy	Posted - 2010.03.08 04:07:00 - [25] Originally by: Pirate Radio I thought the bubble had to be within 100km of the target warp for it to work? unless its changed in the last couple of years NOPE! I have pulled people out of warp 300 km behind their warp in.
Tameris Khan	Posted - 2010.03.08 04:11:00 - [26] Originally by: Ivas Tiffy Originally by: Pirate Radio I thought the bubble had to be within 100km of the target warp for it to work? unless its changed in the last couple of years NOPE! I have pulled people out of warp 300 km behind their warp in. Pure, unadulterated, steaming, bull****
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2010.03.08 06:46:00 - [27] bu... bull??? New bounty system. Always, I want to be with you, and make believe with you, and live in harmony harmony oh love!
Ekon Bor Amarr Van Diemen's Demise	Posted - 2010.03.08 07:15:00 - [28] Originally by: Tameris Khan Originally by: Ivas Tiffy Originally by: Pirate Radio I thought the bubble had to be within 100km of the target warp for it to work? unless its changed in the last couple of years NOPE! I have pulled people out of warp 300 km behind their warp in. Pure, unadulterated, steaming, bull**** If you honestly have pulled this off, I'd suggest it's not the bubble doing the work. It's actually your ship, generating a gravity well due to critical density of pure awesomeness. Because it would be awesome - but I don't think it works. Mainly because I've tried it and it never worked for me. I could have just stuffed it up of course. But if it did work, I reckon you'd see suck bubbles a lot further back from gates than you normally do.
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2010.03.08 07:40:00 - [29] Originally by: Ekon Bor Originally by: Tameris Khan Originally by: Ivas Tiffy Originally by: Pirate Radio I thought the bubble had to be within 100km of the target warp for it to work? unless its changed in the last couple of years NOPE! I have pulled people out of warp 300 km behind their warp in. Pure, unadulterated, steaming, bull**** If you honestly have pulled this off, I'd suggest it's not the bubble doing the work. It's actually your ship, generating a gravity well due to critical density of pure awesomeness. Because it would be awesome - but I don't think it works. Mainly because I've tried it and it never worked for me. I could have just stuffed it up of course. But if it did work, I reckon you'd see suck bubbles a lot further back from gates than you normally do. Actually, if it did work (and im not siding either way, my bubbles are usually around the 80-100km mark purly because I CBA going any further out), you'd still see bubbles at less than 150km from the gate.. why? if it was over 150km from the gate, you could just turn around, move about 1km so you were out of the bubble and then warp to the gate (except for the short period after the last patch, but before the patch to fix it, when bubbles would suck you backwards). New bounty system. Always, I want to be with you, and make believe with you, and live in harmony harmony oh love!
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.03.08 13:59:00 - [30] AFAIK sling bubbles work as long as the arriving point off warp is in the same grid of the bubble (and the vector of arrival is intersecting the bubble). The usage at 60-100 km before / after gate or arrival point, is to prevent the bubbled guy to just go to the edge of the bubble and warp to the gate. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Sameron	Posted - 2010.03.08 15:55:00 - [31] Why are you argueing semantics like some jcaksas on the forums when you could be out there killing bots? I think the point and purpose of this posting is lost on a few hardheaded individuals, for everyone else, please get out there and start killing those bots. I can't clean them all out myself. Hit me with an evemail when you get one btw, thanks!
Oli Robbo Gallente Entity.	Posted - 2010.03.08 17:58:00 - [32] I love the fact that everyone is repeating the same point here. [Bubbles do infact need to be within 100km of the endwarp point to work], either in front [known as a 'wall' bubble] or behind [a 'drag' bubble]. And to the people who are worried about turret range etc on POSes, if you have roamed dronelands enough you will know that 80% of the POSes that these bots use are usually small, undefended POSes. The Ruskies also like to have undefended Beacon POSes in their back end systems for Caps to Jump to [a lot of Rorqs].
Ekon Bor Amarr Van Diemen's Demise	Posted - 2010.03.08 18:41:00 - [33] Originally by: Oli Robbo I love the fact that everyone is repeating the same point here. [Bubbles do infact need to be within 100km of the endwarp point to work], either in front [known as a 'wall' bubble] or behind [a 'drag' bubble]... Well, that's the point isn't it. Everyone isn't repeating the same point, obviously, because some people are saying it does need to be within 100km of the endpoint and some are saying it just needs to be on grid and intersecting with the path.
Weight What Gallente	Posted - 2010.03.08 18:58:00 - [34] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha AFAIK sling bubbles work as long as the arriving point off warp is in the same grid of the bubble (and the vector of arrival is intersecting the bubble). The usage at 60-100 km before / after gate or arrival point, is to prevent the bubbled guy to just go to the edge of the bubble and warp to the gate. Gb2MD michael bublT works wherever you place him ----------------------------------------------- Pompous, currently trading as "Weight What".
Vaeliel Gallente Slander Acquisitions	Posted - 2010.03.08 20:33:00 - [35] Originally by: Weight What Gb2MD michael bublT works wherever you place him Calling a warp disruption bubble "michael bublT" has tickled my funny bone. I am lolling irl at this very moment. What does Gb2MD mean?
Rikeka Amarr Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.03.09 05:02:00 - [36] Has to be at in a max distance of 100km, either side of the gate/point the target originally jumped to. I've never seen one of those grid bubbles actually work. But I hope I'm wrong, I'd like to try this (the bubble anchoring at a POS, that is). --------------------------
Mograph Caldari Starscream Industries IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.03.09 09:54:00 - [37] bubbles only work within 100km of the warp in point, and only if you have the bubble in place before the other person initiates warp If you logged out, then a bubble was placed where you were, woul will return to your last position, and be inside the bubble, not caught on the edge of it like in normal circumstances. Anchoring 350km away would never work. you would need to anchor is in alignment to a belt. probably 80km from the POS Shields near the hanger array. I do like the idea though. and if you are reading this you have reached the signature without noticing.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.03.09 10:05:00 - [38] Originally by: Weight What Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha AFAIK sling bubbles work as long as the arriving point off warp is in the same grid of the bubble (and the vector of arrival is intersecting the bubble). The usage at 60-100 km before / after gate or arrival point, is to prevent the bubbled guy to just go to the edge of the bubble and warp to the gate. Gb2MD michael bublT works wherever you place him Got your main butthurt over there? Anyway I read Linkage which is linked from the EvE wiki. At a certain point it mentions: Quote: Bubbles can also sometimes suck ships out of warp if they are further than 100km from the warp destination. Now, I cannot check about bubbles first hand (never seen one placed so far away, as people would just go to their border and warp to gate / station) but that does not say it's 100% impossible to have a bubble farter than that (even if it'd be stupid). - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Tian Nu Ministry of War	Posted - 2010.03.09 11:09:00 - [39] Terrible pilots no wonder they need boots. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=9698672 Was bored of Motsu (damn MR wonÆt take the can) so moved to see if russians give me little pew pew.
Tian Nu Ministry of War	Posted - 2010.03.09 14:43:00 - [40] Edited by: Tian Nu on 09/03/2010 14:45:09 this one is hilarious (How anyone can let Vaga get lock on Buzzard) why he did not clock beat me up http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=9699341 best part http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=9699353 he never atempted to warp off ? wtf... let hope the legend about (how you juge the pod implant set is by how much dmg the pod take) is true
Crellion Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2010.03.09 16:27:00 - [41] I am pretty sure it used to work so long as the bubble was in the same grid as the warp to point (and alligned of course) ... eve-wiki as a source does not impress me. Just test it in practice. Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.
Lowska Psyca Gallente Uncle BoB on Crack	Posted - 2010.03.09 16:58:00 - [42] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha stuff Now, I cannot check about bubbles first hand (never seen one placed so far away, as people would just go to their border and warp to gate / station) but that does not say it's 100% impossible to have a bubble farter than that (even if it'd be stupid). moar stuff Totally awesome typo there... made me think of a ship that would spawn bubbles out of it's exhaust. bubble farther
Tagami Wasp Caldari Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.09 20:12:00 - [43] Repeating from ingame experience: Bubble set @ 50KM from gate in line with celestial. Bookmark @ 400KM from gate in line with celestial (grid-load for gate). Warp to celestial. Warp to BM. End up in bubble. Confirmed. ------------ +15% to railguns' dmg modifier -reduce Spike optimal bonus to 70% +10% to Caldari railboats PG
Riethe	Posted - 2010.03.09 21:43:00 - [44] Massive amounts of ignorance in this thread. Bubble has to be on grid. Grid can be manipulated. Learn your grid-fu: http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0905/gridfumanual2[2].pdf OP is accurate.
Garst Tyrell No.Mercy Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.03.09 22:05:00 - [45] If the macros go from top to bottom on the belts or the other way around, cant you just anchor bubbles in the first couple belts at 0 and wait for him to hit them? Might avoid the bubble @ pos situation if the pos isnt ****fit for once if the 300km doesnt work

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